On Saturday, Mar 15, 2003, at 07:53 US/Pacific,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems quite interesting to me! I only hope they make it in K mount.
Unless I'm seriously mistaken, they are. It's called the Vivitar 3800N.
I've heard varying things about the quality of the Cosina bodies,
myself. It's o
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Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: Bessaflex in M42 mount
>
> Seems quite interesting to me! I only hope they make it in K mount.
> Getting nice working MX is harder and harder these days, and this (if
> it had nice focusing screen) could make pretty good MX in
Yes, but landscape is not the only subject I do, and I don't always use
hyperfocal, and rarely set the lens to infinity and shoot.
regards,
Alan Chan
you said that your landscapes were sharper.
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MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses.
you said that your landscapes were sharper.
Herb
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From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 04:56
Subject: Re: AF vs. MF [was: Re: Bessaflex in M42 mount]
> I think you have made to
if there is a sharpness difference for landscapes focused manually at
basically hyperfocal distance or AF at infinity, there is something else
going on.
I think you have made too many assumptions. Using tripod doesn't mean I must
be shooting landscapes. Shooting landscape doesn't mean I must be
--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Caveman"
> Subject: Re: AF vs. MF [was: Re: Bessaflex in M42
> mount]
>
> > Greene wrote:
> > > *In dim, "home" lighting situations, with
> &q
, March 15, 2003 04:26
Subject: Re: AF vs. MF [was: Re: Bessaflex in M42 mount]
> I use my Z-1p on tripod too sometimes but time and again the pictures didn't
> came out as sharp when compared to those taken with the MX. For this reason,
> I use my MX more these days when I use tripod.
Here's more:
http://gemma.geo.uaic.ro/~vdonisa/palm1.html
Guess what you get in AF mode.
I don't say that AF is not useful. It is, but it's not always the best
alternative.
Herb Chong wrote:
you're picking a few samples and making the statements. the entire PUG is more representative, but not
the time, there is no advantage to MF and lots of
disadvantages.
Herb
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From: "Caveman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 21:53
Subject: Re: AF vs. MF [was: Re: Bessaflex in M42 mount]
> But let'
Herb Chong wrote:
the pollen grain is right in the middle of the center sensor.
Not exactly.
But let's evaluate these:
http://pug.komkon.org/99may/reflec2.html
http://pug.komkon.org/99jul/red2.htm
They're just some humble PUG contributions, not some intricate
"laboratory tests".
cheers,
caveman
Macro work, in general, doesn't lend itself to AF. First off, it's
usually done with the camera mounted on a tripod, and if what you want
to focus on isn't covered by an AF sensor LOL. MF just makes more sense
for this.
BR
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Take a look here:
http://pug.komkon.org/00ju
, March 14, 2003 20:48
Subject: Re: AF vs. MF [was: Re: Bessaflex in M42 mount]
> Take a look here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/00july/JulyOO/pollen.html
>
> The viewfinder was so dim that I doubt that any AF system would have
> ever worked. And even if it worked, I doubt it would
Greene wrote:
*In dim, "home" lighting situations, with "consumer"
grade lenses, AF beat MF for speed and accuracy nearly
every time.
Snapshots ?
cheers,
caveman ;-)
--- Lukasz Kacperczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > read the article.
>
> I read it - it's not new to me.
>
> > gives several things you have to do to achieve
> super resolution (equated
> to sharpness here): superb lens wide open
> performance, tripod, slide film,
> ideal lighting, nearby subje
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 20:10
Subject: Re: AF vs. MF [was: Re: Bessaflex in M42 mount]
> Sure. But that's why there are things like "field tests". I think the main
> point is that in something close to laboratory
> read the article.
I read it - it's not new to me.
> gives several things you have to do to achieve super resolution (equated
to sharpness here): superb lens wide open performance, tripod, slide film,
ideal lighting, nearby subject. if you don't shoot slide film, use a tripod,
have a nearby subj
then focusing accuracy isn't going to be your main
determiner of sharpness.
Herb
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From: "Lukasz Kacperczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 19:10
Subject: Re: AF vs. MF [was: Re: Bessaflex in M42
The concept of AF accuracy is more theoretical than empirical. If you go
here: http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/limits.html you will understand why it is
so hard to get past 50 lp/mm. The thing that really counts is having
your subject "sharp". For many subjects, AF will you more "sharp"
pictures than M
> The data is derived from shooting resolution charts. When you shoot 3
> dimensional objects, particularly moving ones, AF does much better, for
> most people.
Agreed.
Lukasz
Anyone with a dead meter on their spotty can have it replaced with one
from a K-1000. All you have to do is find a competent camera mechanic.
At 12:01 PM 3/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Butch Black wrote:
>
> It's nice to see but with MILLIONS
> of spotmatics sold and THOUSANDS
> of them on the used
The data is derived from shooting resolution charts. When you shoot 3
dimensional objects, particularly moving ones, AF does much better, for
most people.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the article selects its data to support its argument and ignores the rest.
What "rest"? Seriously - I'm re
> > stopped down performance,
> > not on a tripod, not using slide film,
> > subject farther away than a few feet.
>
> Snapshots ?
>
LOL :-)
Lukasz
Herb Chong wrote:
stopped down performance,
> not on a tripod, not using slide film,
> subject farther away than a few feet.
Snapshots ?
cheers,
caveman ;-)
> stopped down performance,
I don't really understand - you mean that if the lens is stopped down, then
the AF inaccuracy is neglible? If that's what you're saying, I can't agree.
Something is either sharp or not. Even when stopped down, there's a definite
plain of focus that you can see on the pr
stopped down performance, not on a tripod, not using slide film, subject farther away
than a few feet.
Herb
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From: "Lukasz Kacperczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 18:33
Subject: AF vs. MF [was
> the article selects its data to support its argument and ignores the rest.
What "rest"? Seriously - I'm really curious.
Lukasz
PS. I finally did it - I changed the name of a thread! Yippie! ;-)
: Friday, March 14, 2003 18:07
Subject: RE: Bessaflex in M42 mount
> Hi Herb:
>
> I really do not want to go into this old argument, but if you want to
> explore the subject you could start here:
>
> http://medfmt.8k.com/third/af.html
>
> I simply made a comment that not eve
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Sent: March 14, 2003 5:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bessaflex in M42 mount
what objective proof do you have that the average owner focuses better with
a Leica or any manual focus-only camera? with the rangefinder, you can't
even tell what the camera focused o
On Friday, Mar 14, 2003, at 13:35 US/Pacific,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like the idea of Bessaflex. It's a nice design.
I hope they make a K-mount version.
I believe they already are, just not under the Cosina or Voigtlander
names. Unless I'm mistaken, the Vivitar 3800N is made by Cosina.
--
might
be a nice up to date body for some of the finest old optics around.
Cheers, - Andrew.
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From: Roland Mabo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 14, 2003 4:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bessaflex in M42 mount
I like the idea of Bessaflex. It's a nice d
-Original Message-
> From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> millions made and thousands
> in VERY NICE condition. By
> very nice I mean NEAR MINT,
> working perfectly, old but
> like new.
Funny, I've seen exactly 2 and neither were for sale.
You must mean !!!LQQK MINTY!!!
> -Original Message-
> From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >
> > Plus it's new, it's black, it's minty, it's probably got
> an improved
> > meter, a more accurate shutter, channels to have it fixed, and it
> > won't have been through 30 or 40 years of use.
> >
> > Not ev
It accepts a trigger wnder also.
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From: "KT Takeshita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:22 AM
Subject: Bessaflex in M42 mount
> Hi folks,
>
> http://camecame.dd
Again, some folks here expect a camera/lens with "flagship" features for
"entry level" prices.
Bill
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From: "Roland Mabo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Bes
I like the idea of Bessaflex. It's a nice design.
I hope they make a K-mount version.
Speaking of Cosina... Why don't they make autofocus versions of their
excellent prime lenses? Their zooms are cheap, in every sense of the word.
How about a Voigtländer AF serie with excellent optics and metal b
On March 14, 2003 02:40 pm, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> what new russian one?
I couldn't remember so I did a search. Seems Zenit is making various models
using the M42 mount. They even make one using a K mount. These aren't feature
rich. Shutter goes from 1/8 to 1/500. That's the highlight
Butch Black wrote:
>
> It's nice to see but with MILLIONS
> of spotmatics sold and THOUSANDS
> of them on the used market in very nice condition
> where's the need for this camera???
>
> I think this was a dumb move on their part.
> JCO
>
> I'm not so sure. How many people out there have spott
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> It's nice to see but with MILLIONS
> of spotmatics sold and THOUSANDS
> of them on the used market in very nice condition
> where's the need for this camera???
>
> I think this was a dumb move on their part.
> JCO
I think it's great. Cosina has been r
what new russian one?
JCO
> On March 14, 2003 02:39 pm, tom wrote:
>
> >
> > Plus it's new, it's black, it's minty, it's probably got an improved
> > meter, a more accurate shutter, channels to have it fixed, and it
> > won't have been through 30 or 40 years of use.
>
>
> I think people
>
> Plus it's new, it's black, it's minty, it's probably got an improved
> meter, a more accurate shutter, channels to have it fixed, and it
> won't have been through 30 or 40 years of use.
>
> Not everyone wants to buy a old camera.
>
> tv
My spotmatics are 25-35 years ols BUT because they wer
thats
for sure..
JCO
> -Original Message-
> From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:40 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Bessaflex in M42 mount
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL
On March 14, 2003 02:39 pm, tom wrote:
>
> Plus it's new, it's black, it's minty, it's probably got an improved
> meter, a more accurate shutter, channels to have it fixed, and it
> won't have been through 30 or 40 years of use.
I think people are buying that new Russian made M42 camera
> -Original Message-
> From: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> It's nice to see but with MILLIONS
> of spotmatics sold and THOUSANDS
> of them on the used market in very nice condition
> where's the need for this camera???
>
> I think this was a dumb move on their part.
> JCO
>
>
It's nice to see but with MILLIONS
of spotmatics sold and THOUSANDS
of them on the used market in very nice condition
where's the need for this camera???
I think this was a dumb move on their part.
JCO
I'm not so sure. How many people out there have spotties with dead meters or
have had bad luck
On 03.3.14 0:35 PM, "Andre Langevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> http://camecame.ddo.jp/cosina/data/293.jpg
>>
>> From Cosina
>> Stop down metering, magnesium body, finder view 95%
>>
>> I have no interest but some folks might :-).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ken
>
> It reminds the
JCO:
It's nice to see but with MILLIONS
of spotmatics sold and THOUSANDS
of them on the used market in very nice condition
where's the need for this camera???
I totally agree with you. Nothing beats the elegance of a black Spotmatic.
The lenses might be interesting though... if priced correctly,
Hi folks,
http://camecame.ddo.jp/cosina/data/293.jpg
>From Cosina
Stop down metering, magnesium body, finder view 95%
I have no interest but some folks might :-).
Cheers,
Ken
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