Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-31 Thread Bob Shell
On Dec 30, 2006, at 4:37 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > However, if you add enough ethanol (or methanol) to raise the octane > sufficiently and control detonation, you end up with a distressingly > low power fuel. Thus, you consume more to go the same distance. There > are no easy answers. Yes, but

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread Paul Stenquist
: > Apparently Ethanol works almost as well and is somewhat less toxic, > however it's distressingly low tech. > > William Robb wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? >> >> >> >>&g

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread keith_w
Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 31/12/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It can have a detrimental effect on some of the metals that were in the fuel >> delivery systems of the day. > > Mainly due to the fact that ethanol is a hydrophile I believe? > I believe water is miscible i

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 31/12/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It can have a detrimental effect on some of the metals that were in the fuel > delivery systems of the day. Mainly due to the fact that ethanol is a hydrophile I believe? -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +1

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > Apparently Ethanol works almost as well and is somewhat less toxic, > however it's distressingly low tech. It can have a detrimental effect on some of the metals that were

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Apparently Ethanol works almost as well and is somewhat less toxic, however it's distressingly low tech. William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > > >> Already been done. The arg

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread P. J. Alling
EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of P. J. Alling >> Sent: 30 December 2006 03:10 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? >> >> But a logical one... >> >> Bob W wrote: >> >>> if

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread mike wilson
William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > > >>Already been done. The argument worked very well to get rid of lead >>from fuel. > > > A situation where politics and rea

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > Already been done. The argument worked very well to get rid of lead > from fuel. A situation where politics and reality meet with less than optimal results. By coincidence, my cou

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread mike wilson
William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > > >>>"Your freedom ends at the tip of my nose". >>>It is the theory that the anti smoking lobby has used to force the >>&g

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread Bob W
palatable consequences of utilitarianism. -- Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of P. J. Alling > Sent: 30 December 2006 03:10 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > But

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-30 Thread Bob W
who was a goddess... -- Bob > > If you were god free, you'd be Frey:-). > Paul > > > >> I wouldn't reply to this normally, since I'm living in a God-Free > >> zone, ... > > > > It's tough to be God-Free ... or not, depending upon your > > predilections and beliefs. > > > > I've been God-Fr

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread David Mann
On Dec 30, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > Make a constructive suggestion and move on. No more finger pointing. My partner bought herself a new bike the other day. And I converted my old MTB to single-speed :D We might even get to use them if it ever stops raining for long enough. -

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread David Mann
On Dec 29, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > To put it simple (I like it simple). Smoking is plain stupidity. http://www.stuff.co.nz/search/3912905a11.html - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
If you were god free, you'd be Frey:-). Paul On Dec 29, 2006, at 10:47 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:56 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >> I wouldn't reply to this normally, since I'm living in a God-Free >> zone, ... > > It's tough to be God-Free ... or not, depending upon your >

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Hey, I know what Hockey is. Mama Espizito used to live in the next suburb over when the Espizito brothers were Black Hawks. They would come visit her for Sunday dinner with their skates in case somebody wanted to play hockey. Regards, Bob S. On 12/29/06, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:56 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > I wouldn't reply to this normally, since I'm living in a God-Free > zone, ... It's tough to be God-Free ... or not, depending upon your predilections and beliefs. I've been God-Free all my life and enjoy it. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Ma

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread P. J. Alling
That's just so wrong... William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > > >> Hockey cards??? Bob S. >> > > http://www.mcdonalds.ca/McDonaldsHockeyCards/web/en/default.a

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread P. J. Alling
But a logical one... Bob W wrote: > if this is the basis of the Vulcan political system it is quite > clearly a fascist dictatorship. > > -- > Bob > > >>> On 28/12/06, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> >>> Hmm. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. >>

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread P. J. Alling
, I agree that's important. > > Tom C. > > > >> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? >> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:40:50 -0800 &

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread P. J. Alling
Oh, no don't mention the evil "N" word, they'll be out to get you for sure... William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Gonz" > Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > > Or just living where we do. I live in a relatively h

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread P. J. Alling
Even _lots_ of money can't make some people sexy... William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "David Savage" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > > >> That wholly depends on the person. A university degree won't make you &g

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread P. J. Alling
Wheat? Cotty wrote: > On 29/12/06, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >> I work in a field where I come into contact with a lot of "educated" >> people. While most of them are smart, there a also quite a few who >> aren't, no matter what the piece of paper hanging on the wall >> proc

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Kenneth Waller
manual and good labeling of all the equipment. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Doomsday is coming upon us? > Ground water pumps have better efficiency yes. If you put it in from the > start or during a major renov

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
09 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > What a fuckin' crock of shit. There is a big difference between a > species > becoming extinct naturally and its extinction at the hand of man > through

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
Thank you. A pity it don't reflect on me ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 29. desember 2006 23:53 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
ostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Waller Sent: 29. desember 2006 22:36 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? >Are they making better heat pumps these days? Grou

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Steven Larson
lmao, touche Steve - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: RE: Doomsday is coming upon us? > Tom C wrote: > >>We'd get slau

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread David J Brooks
ine. Dave Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Original Message - > From: "David J Brooks" > Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > >> I have owned a 1987 Chevy, a 1994 GMC and now a 2003 GMC. All 4x4. >> >> The first 2,

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
(just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gonz Sent: 29. desember 2006 21:37 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Very well put Jostein. > > Add like to

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? >I have owned a 1987 Chevy, a 1994 GMC and now a 2003 GMC. All 4x4. > > The first 2,plus a 1979 GMC 2wd all, at best gave me 16 mpg. > > My 2003 with the vortex ebgine

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread David J Brooks
I have owned a 1987 Chevy, a 1994 GMC and now a 2003 GMC. All 4x4. The first 2,plus a 1979 GMC 2wd all, at best gave me 16 mpg. My 2003 with the vortex ebgine gives me around 22-23 mpg You just need to kneo how to work with things. D Quoting John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Well, I've don

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread David J Brooks
Game played on ice Bob. :-) DaveQuoting Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hockey cards??? Bob S. > > On 12/29/06, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And i have McDonalds hockey cards. Only in Canada. >> >> Forsale >> >> Dave >> >> Quoting Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> >

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread John Francis
Well, I've done a little to reduce our household fuel consumption; over the last three years we've replaced a Range Rover and an '86 Mustang GT with a Mini and a BMW Z4. Taking into account how much each car is driven, we've just about halved the amount of fuel we use (although we do now have to

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > Hockey cards??? Bob S. http://www.mcdonalds.ca/McDonaldsHockeyCards/web/en/default.aspx William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Hockey cards??? Bob S. On 12/29/06, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And i have McDonalds hockey cards. Only in Canada. > > Forsale > > Dave > > Quoting Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Tom, > > We've got some cow bones to sell you for your strategic gelatin reserves... > > Rega

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Shel Belinkoff
A new report out just today contradicts your statement. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Bob Shell > I agree. It would be criminal if we were doing it. I don't for a > moment believe that humanity has anything to do with breakup of pack > ice in the arctic. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Of course, it was a filthy, polluting vehicle, regardless of the mileage. Shel > [Original Message] > From: graywolf > Well my '86 Ford Escort Diesel got 45mpg combined (when I was driving > it, on 40 when my wife was) and normally 55+ on the expressway. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread David J Brooks
And i have McDonalds hockey cards. Only in Canada. Forsale Dave Quoting Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Tom, > We've got some cow bones to sell you for your strategic gelatin reserves... > Regards, Bob S. > > On 12/29/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Maybe that's the silliest part.

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Keith, It wasn't the Doctor's diagnosis of disease from Second Hand Smoke, it's mine. She had recurring bouts of pneumonia over several years and shared an office for 20 years with three women who smoked heavily at their desks. She ended up with emphysema, clots in the lung, and a stroke. Regards,

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Incredible that you'd resort to such a ridiculous and mean spirited comment - what a schmuck. Shel > [Original Message] > From: graywolf > but, on the other hand, I am not a fucking queer! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Tom, We've got some cow bones to sell you for your strategic gelatin reserves... Regards, Bob S. On 12/29/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Maybe that's the silliest part. But anyway, any small actions we're > >able to undertake may spur the next generation to do better, at least. > >Even d

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread graywolf
Funny thing, Keith. When I am drunk, I just don't give a shit. If someone attacks me I go for them with everything I've got. Fortunately I do not get drunk often, but the last Friday of the year seemed like a good time for it. BTW, exactly why is it that I am supposed to put up with stupid quee

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 12/30/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the effect of human flatulence has been grossly underestimated. Especially at this time of year. *burp* -ops sorry. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread rg2
27;s reply was, "I'm eatin' the damn cows!" rg2 - Original Message - From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > >>I think the effect of human flatulence has been

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Cotty
>I think the effect of human flatulence has been grossly underestimated. Give me a minute to digest that one. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List P

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Shell
On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Tom C wrote: > LOL. What if all 6.6 billion people did it all at the same time? Life, as we know it, would cease on this planet. > > Do you also subscribe to this Thomas Jefferson quote? > > "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the > trut

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tom C
> >I think the effect of human flatulence has been grossly underestimated. > >Bob > > >"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."-- >Thomas Jefferson > LOL. What if all 6.6 billion people did it all at the same time? Do you also subscribe to this Thomas Jefferson quote?

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Shell
On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:13 PM, Bob W wrote: > But let them find one piece of evidence that > appears to go the other way, such as a particularly cold winter, and > they immediately claim that it supports their cause. Cherry-picking > the evidence, I believe it's called. Both sides in this issue ha

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Shell
On Dec 29, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Bob W wrote: >> I believe that global warming is "voodoo science" of the >> worst kind. > > do you just believe that, or do you have evidence? Many thousands of years of warming and cooling cycles on this jumpin' green sphere before we lit our first fire. Volcanoe

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob W
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of graywolf > Sent: 29 December 2006 22:45 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > Oh, wow, a my car is better than your car thread! > > Well my '86 Ford Escort Diesel got 45mpg combined (whe

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Shell
On Dec 29, 2006, at 5:45 PM, Tom C wrote: > 1. Humans have a bigger effect on the planet and our environment by > our > deliberate actions than any other species. (Not counting cow and > termite > flatulence and such) I think the effect of human flatulence has been grossly underestimated. B

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread graywolf
GM claims they will have a zero emissions car on the road by 2010. In a conversation with another list member awhile ago, I commented that while the vehicle produced no emissions that did not say anything about the infrastructure that provided the power. Probably coal fired electric plants. And

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread K.Takeshita
On 12/29/06 5:53 PM, "Godfrey DiGiorgi", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW, my apologies to the rest of the list for this rudeness, on Tom's > behalf. He does need some anger management therapy. Puts his "grasp > of reality" into question, but he doesn't mean to be such a clown. He > just wants to

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob W
D] On > Behalf Of Tom C > Sent: 29 December 2006 22:46 > To: pdml@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > Well whether global warming due to human activities on the > planet is true or > not, or is a small or large issue, no one can deny that we do >

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 29, 2006, at 2:27 PM, graywolf wrote: > F__k you, a__hole! ... Taking lessons from JCO now, are you? You forgot the capitalization, better study up. Will you now repeat it a thousand times? I'll filter you directly to the trash, just like I do him: that's annoying. Makes no differenc

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread graywolf
Your grandfather was an intelligent person. Tim Øsleby wrote: > My grandfather had a similar saying: If you knew how little you know, then > you'd know a lot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tom C
vironment as opposed to harm it. Tom C. Tom C. >From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? >Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:04:47 -0500 > > >On Dec 29, 2006, a

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread graywolf
Oh, wow, a my car is better than your car thread! Well my '86 Ford Escort Diesel got 45mpg combined (when I was driving it, on 40 when my wife was) and normally 55+ on the expressway. Once I busted 65mpg from New Mexico to Indiana (but note that is mostly down hill). Unfortunately it was still

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
YAWN... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob W
> I believe that global warming is "voodoo science" of the > worst kind. do you just believe that, or do you have evidence? -- Bob > > I think you misunderstand me. I'm saying that if polar bears go > extinct due to natural climate cycles, then it was their time > to go. > I believe

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread graywolf
t;Bob Shell" > Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > >> If none adapt, then it was their time to go as a species. Did anyone >> mourn the extinction of cave bears in Europe? Most species that ever >> existed are extinct now. The idea that we must pre

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Jostein Øksne" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > If you live in a place that needs heating parts of the year, install a > heat pump and reconsider the house insulation. Reduce heating at the > times of day when nobody's home

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Shell
On Dec 29, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: > How about the nicotine used in organic gardening? > http://www.coopext.colostate.edu/4DMG/VegFruit/organic.htm > Nicotine is a potent neurotoxin. Growing any plant that contains nicotine should be outlawed forthwith!! Possession of more

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Shell
On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > What a fuckin' crock of shit. There is a big difference between a > species > becoming extinct naturally and its extinction at the hand of man > through > our contribution to climate change. I suppose it's OK for tigers > to become > e

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob Shell
On Dec 29, 2006, at 10:29 AM, William Robb wrote: > The idea that we have the right to drive species to extinction is > criminal. I agree. It would be criminal if we were doing it. I don't for a moment believe that humanity has anything to do with breakup of pack ice in the arctic. Ther

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Kenneth Waller
onz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Very well put Jostein. >> >> Add like to throw in a thought or two. The two main problems is transport >> and heating/cooling. >> >> We have all

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
That's it, Tom. I do not care that you're filtering me, or about your opinion of me. Continue with the insults: you do it poorly but at least you are able to perform some function as a list clown that way. Your opinions on environmental science are without merit or credibility, and you prove

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread keith_w
graywolf wrote: > You kind of left out the part about my passing the GED cold, the 10 or > 20 tech certificates I have obtained, and the fact I have the equivalent > of a BSEE. I do have some college but there are too many people like you > for me to be comfortable there. However, I am proud of

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Mike Hamilton
This is getting a little too personal for my comfort, guys. Stop attacking each other on such a low level. If you're both so intelligent, put that to work in your arguments. Otherwise, take it off-list. Mike On 12/29/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You kind of left out the part about

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread graywolf
You kind of left out the part about my passing the GED cold, the 10 or 20 tech certificates I have obtained, and the fact I have the equivalent of a BSEE. I do have some college but there are too many people like you for me to be comfortable there. However, I am proud of walking out of school i

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Bob W
if this is the basis of the Vulcan political system it is quite clearly a fascist dictatorship. -- Bob > > On 28/12/06, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > >> Hmm. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. > > > > Or the one ;-) > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail Lis

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread graywolf
Your filter has been turned back on. I thought you had improved, but it appears you were only away for awhile. Congratulations, you are still the most self-centered person on the list. You make the rest of us glad that we are not perfect like you. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Dec 28, 2006, at

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Very well put Jostein. > > Add like to throw in a thought or two. The two main problems is transport > and heating/cooling. > > We have all noticed that Godfrey has bought himself a fancy new > environmental car. By doing this he contributes directly. This has start

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 12:18:50PM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:55 AM, John Francis wrote: > > > Well, Detroit might not be interested, but Lotus are - they seem > > to be planning to market the Tesla. > > Getting quite close to release too. I've seen two of them, ma

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread graywolf
They always say that to the many. The few have somewhat different rules to go by. Cotty wrote: > On 28/12/06, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> Hmm. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. > > Or the one ;-) > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://p

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? On 12/29/06, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find this discussion silly because it is winding all over the place > and cannot be resolved. None of us want global warming or are in > favor of it. The sc

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tom C
>Tom C wrote: > > >We'd get slaughtered on an ecology/global warming mailing list I'm sure. > >They wouldn't notice; they're in the middle of a long OT discussion on >Pentax cameras. > >Malcolm > > LOL. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.n

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 03:14:16PM -0500, Christian wrote: > John Francis wrote: > > >> Ah yes, the Tesla http://www.teslamotors.com/ > >> > >> Now, if Detroit would just embrace this kind of technology, we could > >> have a fully electric car that costs less than US$100k... Too bad they > >> a

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Gonz wrote: >> Damn straight. There's nothing sexier than a smart, well-educated >> person. >> >> Godfrey > > >> Of course. What do you think, educated people are stupid? Only >> stupid, uneducated people think that having a piece of paper >> automatically makes you t

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Christian
John Francis wrote: >> Ah yes, the Tesla http://www.teslamotors.com/ >> >> Now, if Detroit would just embrace this kind of technology, we could >> have a fully electric car that costs less than US$100k... Too bad they >> are in so deep with Big Oil > > Well, Detroit might not be interested, bu

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:55 AM, John Francis wrote: > On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 12:49:23PM -0500, Christian wrote: >> rg2 wrote: >>> Hey, did you guys hear about the car a guy made with laptop >>> batteries? >>> >>> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/tesla.html > > Hear about it? I've seen i

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Christian
Malcolm Smith wrote: > Tom C wrote: > >> We'd get slaughtered on an ecology/global warming mailing list I'm sure. > > They wouldn't notice; they're in the middle of a long OT discussion on > Pentax cameras. > > Malcolm > > Now THAT'S funny! LOL ROTFLMAO etc etc -- Christian http://photogr

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread keith_w
Bob Sullivan wrote: > This discussion is so silly. > My mother died from 2nd hand smoke. I'm of the opinion that the doctors call it that when they can't come up with some other convenient and plausible cause. > She was never a smoker. My mother died of complications of cirrhosis of the liver,

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
t: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? >- Original Message - >From: "Tim Øsleby" Subject: RE: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > > > 140. Wow, you must have studied a lot ;-) > >Just enough to think I know more than I really do. > >William Robb > Your Wise

RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Malcolm Smith
Tom C wrote: >We'd get slaughtered on an ecology/global warming mailing list I'm sure. They wouldn't notice; they're in the middle of a long OT discussion on Pentax cameras. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 12:49:23PM -0500, Christian wrote: > rg2 wrote: > > Hey, did you guys hear about the car a guy made with laptop batteries? > > > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/tesla.html Hear about it? I've seen it - the design studio is quite local. Here's a (pretty bad) sna

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Gonz
> > Damn straight. There's nothing sexier than a smart, well-educated > person. > > Godfrey > > Of course. What do you think, educated people are stupid? Only > stupid, uneducated people think that having a piece of paper > automatically makes you think you're something special. > > Go

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 29, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Tom C wrote: >> I don't see how what I was willing to accept/afford for the 1981 >> Toyota Tercel has any bearing on an objective ranking in these >> matters. Compared to that car, the Prius is a far more comfortable, >> quieter, roomier car with much more performanc

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tom C
>Maybe that's the silliest part. But anyway, any small actions we're >able to undertake may spur the next generation to do better, at least. >Even discussions like this one will at least heigthen the level of >conciousness. > >Jostein > There you go. There's nothing wrong with talking about it.

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 29, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Tom C wrote: > The sky is falling most definitely. My particular beliefs lead me > to believe 1) that we should individually be environmentally > responsible and 2) that the real solution in the bigger picture is > out of our hands. My gosh, more agreement! On

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Cotty
On 29/12/06, Kenneth Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: >Yes & I suppose on some days you are out standing in your field. I aim to be. Cocky repartee aimed at newbies and tagalongs: 'Every frame a Rembrandt (unless I drank too much last night, in which case think Picasso)' > >(Couldn't res

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Cotty
On 29/12/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >Should we all move to more moderate parts of the earth? :) He means England. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 12/29/06, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find this discussion silly because it is winding all over the place > and cannot be resolved. None of us want global warming or are in > favor of it. The scientific facts are still under review and > development. None of us can do very muc

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tom C
> >I don't see how what I was willing to accept/afford for the 1981 >Toyota Tercel has any bearing on an objective ranking in these >matters. Compared to that car, the Prius is a far more comfortable, >quieter, roomier car with much more performance. > > > On the 1/10 emissions, I agree that's impo

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
No, this is a common misconception. I knew nothing about it when I first started looking into the Prius, but I've since found several articles on how it works. The Hybrid Synergy Drive system has a planetary gearbox coupling the ICE and two electric drive motor/generators. There is no clutch

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 29, 2006, at 9:34 AM, Gonz wrote: >> Your logic is flawed. Being able to dream up interesting things is >> one thing. Being able to engineer and manufacture them is quite >> another. > > No, thats exactly what I meant. You don't need an engineering > degree to > "engineer" or design stu

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 29, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Tom C wrote: > Well sure that is progress, but it's done somewhat at the expense > of comfort > and performance. While there's nothing wrong with either of those To my senses, the Prius comfort (measured in ride quality, interior noise, and support by the seat as

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tom C
consumed pollutants are those used to spinup the flywheels, with zero tailpipe emissions. Tom C. >From: "rg2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? >Date: Fr

Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

2006-12-29 Thread Tom C
responsible and 2) that the real solution in the bigger picture is out of our hands. Tom C. From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 1

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