Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread John Sessoms
> > From: > "David Savage" > WTH(ell) does any of this have to do with rootbeer? > > :-) > > Cheers, I have no idea. I was responding to whatever was in the thread when I finally chanced upon it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread Norm Baugher
Dude, I read somewhere that like ganja was legal once but then not legal at the same time dude, but like it was like totally trippy, uh dude I just so totally forgot what I was like saying... Norm John Sessoms wrote: > Recreational use of marijuana didn't really exist in the US until about >

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Someone, I forget who just now, was interested in brewing root beer, I found that the DEA was warning that safrole, (one of the compounds in "real" root beer), is being used in the production of MDMA, (ecstasy), and we were off to the races... David Savage wrote: > WTH(ell) does any of this hav

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread David Savage
WTH(ell) does any of this have to do with rootbeer? :-) Cheers, Dave On 5/10/07, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: > > Scott Loveless > > Adam Maas wrote: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > >>> In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > >>> [EM

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread John Sessoms
> > From: > Scott Loveless > Adam Maas wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>> In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>> "Everything not prohibited is mandatory!" The only reason drugs >>> were made illegal in the US is because goo

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
That was the CIA, who have no mandate to stop drug trafficking. About CIA drug trafficking, it's always a question about how much was expediency and how much was sanctioned. Adam Maas wrote: > Ditto. I know quite a few current and ex US military types due to long > participation on a certain S

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread Adam Maas
Ditto. I know quite a few current and ex US military types due to long participation on a certain SF/F publisher's webboard. The publisher in question is a noted publisher of MilSF with several ex-military authors (Baen Books. David Drake, John Ringo and Tom Kratman). Know one guy who will talk

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
That should be "conspiracy theory" of course... P. J. Alling wrote: > Now you're falling into the conspectus theory trap. If that were true > the current congress would be selling tickets. I have a couple of > friends who were into "black ops". The one who really was doesn't talk > about it

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Now you're falling into the conspectus theory trap. If that were true the current congress would be selling tickets. I have a couple of friends who were into "black ops". The one who really was doesn't talk about it. The other is a blow hard. Bob Shell wrote: > On May 9, 2007, at 6:00 PM

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yes, the paranoid schizophrenic circle. What a hoot. On May 10, 2007, at 6:55 AM, Bob Shell wrote: > > On May 9, 2007, at 6:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >> The conspiracy theory is that the DEA would traffic in drugs. That's >> something that would be impossible, this country can't keep secrets

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-10 Thread Bob Shell
On May 9, 2007, at 6:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > The conspiracy theory is that the DEA would traffic in drugs. That's > something that would be impossible, this country can't keep secrets > that > are necessary to national security. How the hell could anyone > think the > DEA would be able

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > = > Easy targets? > One does what one can with the tools available. I can only hit the easy ones. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/m

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/9/2007 6:27:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nah, Chavez is a loose canon. You all will take him out soon enough. I like picking on your government for the same reason I kick crutches out from under cripples. William Robb = Easy targets

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Self serving groups pretending to rule in the name of the people of course. Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 10/05/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't like any government, but unfortunately ours is better than most. >> > > A smart arse would reply: "than most what"? >

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
That's true, they tend to fight back. Doug Franklin wrote: > William Robb wrote: > > >> I like picking on your government for the same reason I kick crutches out >> from under >> cripples. >> > > Cripples are a tougher target. ;-) > > -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer s

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/05/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't like any government, but unfortunately ours is better than most. A smart arse would reply: "than most what"? -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/di

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote: > I don't like any government, but unfortunately ours is better than most. > > I love you, Pete. -- Scott Loveless www.twosixteen.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't like any government, but unfortunately ours is better than most. William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "P. J. Alling" > Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > > >> I don't need a conspiracy theory for that, but apparently you&#

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Doug Franklin
William Robb wrote: > I like picking on your government for the same reason I kick crutches out > from under > cripples. Cripples are a tougher target. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > I don't need a conspiracy theory for that, but apparently you're > willing to believe just about any about the US, (and believe every one > of our rivals is pure of motive, or so it se

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
gt;> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of William Robb >> Sent: 09 May 2007 22:23 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? >> >> >> - Original Message - >>

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
ve just about any about the US, (and believe every one of our rivals is pure of motive, or so it seems). William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "P. J. Alling" > Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > > >> Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a

RE: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob W
Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > > - Original Message - > From: "P. J. Alling" > Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > > > Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out > of Caracas, > > any more th

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Feroze
I think that herion was banned by the Harrison Act in 1914, by President Wilson. Did you know that herion and asprin was invented by the same guy for Bayer (Diacetylmorphine was first synthesized in 1874 by C.R. Alder Wright, but never used or patented) Bob Shell wrote: > On May 8, 2007, at 9:2

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas, > any more than I'd believe a word published in Pravda, (obviously the > Russians didn't since with

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Norm Baugher
LMAO!! Bob W wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Adam Maas >> >> Utah's rather unusual, for exactly that reason. The Latter Day Saints >> >> take a dim view of any mind-altering substance. >> >> > > ...other than bul

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
The Old Pravda, (Communist Party Organ from 1918-1991) shut down in 1991. It costs a lot less to do an Internet version. I expect that it's readership is not exactly the highest, but then who can tell. I like how the web page describes losing it's Government subsidy and being required to go

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
x27;t care, they can say anything they like and no one will oppose them for long. mike wilson wrote: >> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: 2007/05/09 Wed PM 02:27:40 GMT >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? >&g

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Adam Maas
Bob Shell wrote: >On May 9, 2007, at 10:27 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >>Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas, >>any more than I'd believe a word published in Pravda, (obviously the >>Russians didn't since with the end of the Soviet Union it too >>disappeared).

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob Shell
On May 9, 2007, at 10:27 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas, > any more than I'd believe a word published in Pravda, (obviously the > Russians didn't since with the end of the Soviet Union it too > disappeared). PRAVDA is alive and well

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread mike wilson
> > From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/05/09 Wed PM 02:27:40 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > Interesting, but I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Caracas, > any more than I'd

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
gt;> From: Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: 2007/05/08 Tue PM 07:41:36 GMT >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? >> >> Adam Maas wrote: >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> >&g

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread P. J. Alling
The law was passed in 1915. The Church elders, have always taken a dim view of it. I suppose it depends on weather you follow the letter of the law or the spirit. Obviously she believed in following the letter. Bob Shell wrote: > On May 8, 2007, at 6:07 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > >> Utah

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Wed, 9 May 2007, Paul Sorenson wrote: > Growing hemp was encouraged during WWII to provide fiber for the > manufacture of manilla rope. At the edge of the small town where I grew > up there was a mill where they processed the hemp fibers. After the war > the buildings were used for canning ve

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "Adam Maas" >Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > > > > >>Not as annoying as having to press 9 for english (typical in Quebec). >> >> > >Who gets the first eight? > >William

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Paul Sorenson
Growing hemp was encouraged during WWII to provide fiber for the manufacture of manilla rope. At the edge of the small town where I grew up there was a mill where they processed the hemp fibers. After the war the buildings were used for canning vegetables, but were referred to by the locals a

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/9/2007 4:04:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If someone is dying and in great pain, who gives a rat's ass if what you give them might be addictive? Bob = I did hospice with my Mom. The die at home thing. Hospices hand out morphine prett

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Adam Maas
Bob Shell wrote: >On May 8, 2007, at 6:07 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >>Utah at least banned Marijuana because the Mormon Church took a dim >>view >>of it's use by Mormons... >> >> > >When I was in college I dated a Mormon girl for a while. She would >not drink coffee or smoke tobacco

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread mike wilson
> > From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/05/08 Tue PM 08:44:09 GMT > To: "pentax list" > Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > Somebody send some of this stuff to trace. > > (Who is she anyway??) Distant cous

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread mike wilson
> > From: Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/05/08 Tue PM 07:41:36 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > Adam Maas wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> In a message dated 5/8/

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob Shell
On May 8, 2007, at 9:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Egad. Sounds like his name should go down in infamy. It has. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob Shell
On May 8, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Feroze wrote: > I think it was a guy called Harry Anslinger, the Commissioner of > the US > Federal Bureau of Narcotics in the 1930's. He did it to increase > funding > for his newly formed FBN. Apprently he also worked with the cotton > industry to get hemp banned

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob Shell
On May 8, 2007, at 6:07 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Utah at least banned Marijuana because the Mormon Church took a dim > view > of it's use by Mormons... When I was in college I dated a Mormon girl for a while. She would not drink coffee or smoke tobacco because they are strictly forbidden

RE: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-09 Thread Bob W
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Adam Maas > Sent: 09 May 2007 01:25 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > Utah's rather unusual, for exactly that reason. The Latter Day Saints

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > Not as annoying as having to press 9 for english (typical in Quebec). Who gets the first eight? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > What gets me is when ATM's ask for a language preference, after I have > already given them my card. This should be programmed in. The damned > card should be encoded with my langu

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 7:36:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some may have, but it was propaganda none the less. Obviously. I was just questioning whether it was deliberate manipulation (disinformation) or whether it originated in belief (misinformation)

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Some may have, but it was propaganda none the less. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 5/8/2007 7:11:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Actually "Reefer Madness" was a response to the understanding that you > couldn't control a weed, that grew everywhere,

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 7:11:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually "Reefer Madness" was a response to the understanding that you couldn't control a weed, that grew everywhere, especially with the available budget, (almost nothing). So propaganda was used inst

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually "Reefer Madness" was a response to the understanding that you couldn't control a weed, that grew everywhere, especially with the available budget, (almost nothing). So propaganda was used instead of enforcement. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:29:39 P.M. Pacif

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:29:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it was a guy called Harry Anslinger, the Commissioner of the US Federal Bureau of Narcotics in the 1930's. He did it to increase funding for his newly formed FBN. Apprently he also worked with t

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 5:09:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Odd now how California is about as culturally/racially mixed as anywhere > in > the US. Probably the most. And how many of you complain that you have to press one for English? William Robb ===

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Feroze
I think it was a guy called Harry Anslinger, the Commissioner of the US Federal Bureau of Narcotics in the 1930's. He did it to increase funding for his newly formed FBN. Apprently he also worked with the cotton industry to get hemp banned because its cheaper than cotton and lasts longer, and w

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread graywolf
Well, I wasn't there, but that is the story I have heard. Of course not all drugs were banned right then. A few had local laws against them before then, and many have been added by the feds since. -graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight T

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote: > What gets me is when ATM's ask for a language preference, after I have > already given them my card. This should be programmed in. The damned > card should be encoded with my language preference. the bank already > knows it. > > A few years ago I was trying to sort out

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread P. J. Alling
om: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > > > >> Odd now how California is about as culturally/racially mixed as anywhere >> in >> the US. Probably the most. >> > > And how many of you complain that you have to press one f

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Cory Papenfuss
> Not as annoying as having to press 9 for english (typical in Quebec). > > I've run across some interesting IVR's in the US (English/French/Spanish > in more than a few cases, for companies that deal with the US and Canada) > > -Adam Sounds about right from the little bit of Eastern-Canad

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Adam Maas
Utah's rather unusual, for exactly that reason. The Latter Day Saints take a dim view of any mind-altering substance. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: > Utah at least banned Marijuana because the Mormon Church took a dim view > of it's use by Mormons... > > Adam Maas wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > > > >> Odd now how California is about as culturally/racially mixed as anywhere >> in >> the US. Probably the most. > > And

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > Odd now how California is about as culturally/racially mixed as anywhere > in > the US. Probably the most. And how many of you complain that you have to press one for English? William R

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? >> >> The banning of Marijuana is at least indirectly related to racism (it >> was seen as a 'Negro Vice' in the first half of the 20th century). > I read somewhere (

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Bob Shell
On May 8, 2007, at 9:45 AM, graywolf wrote: > "Everything not prohibited is mandatory!" The only reason drugs were > made illegal in the US is because good old J Edgar Hoover blackmailed > them into making them illegal so he would not have to disband the FBI > when prohibition was ended. Orwell h

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread P. J. Alling
Utah at least banned Marijuana because the Mormon Church took a dim view of it's use by Mormons... Adam Maas wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> "Everything not prohibited is mandatory!" The

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread P. J. Alling
I wasn't going to comment, but Cocaine was made illegal much earlier in 1914 by the Harrison Act., and hemp was banned, (in all but name), by the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937, pushed by the BATF, though a number of states banned it earlier, Utah being the first in 1915.. J. Edger had little or not

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 2:18:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a drug law timeline showing a ban on the *smoking* of Opium in San Fransisco and Virginia City in 1869. http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/drug_law_timeline.htm = Well,

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Scott Loveless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 5/8/2007 12:50:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> The banning of Marijuana is at least indirectly related to racism (it >> was seen as a 'Negro Vice' in the first half of the 20th century). >> >> Some are still legal

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Cotty
Somebody send some of this stuff to trace. (Who is she anyway??) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_p

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 12:50:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The banning of Marijuana is at least indirectly related to racism (it > was seen as a 'Negro Vice' in the first half of the 20th century). > > Some are still legal from prescription sources (cocaine i

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Scott Loveless
Adam Maas wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> "Everything not prohibited is mandatory!" The only reason drugs were >> made illegal in the US is because good old J Edgar Hoover blackmailed >

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Adam Maas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >"Everything not prohibited is mandatory!" The only reason drugs were >made illegal in the US is because good old J Edgar Hoover blackmailed >them into making them illegal so

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/8/2007 6:54:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Everything not prohibited is mandatory!" The only reason drugs were made illegal in the US is because good old J Edgar Hoover blackmailed them into making them illegal so he would not have to disband t

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-08 Thread graywolf
Yes, and pseudphidrine is, supposedly, used in the manufacture of crack. Hence in North Carolina, at least, it is a semi-controlled substance. You do not need a prescription, but it is kept behind the Rx counter and you are only allowed to buy 3 packs a year (I see nothing keeping you from buyi

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob Shell" Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > Jeez, penalize everyone because a tiny minority uses something for > the wrong reason. Just like the gauntlet I have to run these days to > buy Sudafed for my allergies! We are having one hel

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread P. J. Alling
Idiots, government ~ SOP. Bob Shell wrote: > On May 7, 2007, at 8:14 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > >> It's highest concentration is supposed to be in the root bark. >> >> But apparently it's worse than I thought it's used in making MDMA. >> That means it will soon be illegal to even posses... >>

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Bob Shell
On May 7, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Bob W wrote: > The word Sudafed is derived from 'pseudo ephedrine' - it's a man-made > version of ephedrine. Ephedra was the stimulant of choice (alongside > poppies and hemp) for the ancient Indo-Europeans, and is thought to > have been one of the principle ingredien

RE: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Bob W
or the Sudafed, think of yourself as sharing in the ancient rituals of your nomadic Bronze Age ancestors of the steppes. -- Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Bob Shell > Sent: 07 May 2007 16:55 > To: Pentax

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Bob Shell
On May 7, 2007, at 8:14 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > It's highest concentration is supposed to be in the root bark. > > But apparently it's worse than I thought it's used in making MDMA. > That means it will soon be illegal to even posses... > > http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/chem_prog/advisories

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Rick Womer
A small amount of research has confirmed that crude sassafras extract contains saffrole, which causes liver cancer in rodents. According to the FDA web site, sassafras extract is permitted if prepared thus: "Subpart F--Flavoring Agents and Related Substances Sec. 172.580 Safrole-free extract of s

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread frank theriault
On 5/6/07, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a confession to make. > I'm a 35 year-old-man and I just don't like beer. > > There, I said it. More beer for me, Dave and Mark! ;-) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss M

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread David Savage
On 5/7/07, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bob Shell wrote: > > >On May 6, 2007, at 7:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >> Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is > >> Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if > >> using the original r

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread P. J. Alling
This would make an interesting study. How about a mortality/morbidity study on the number of people per 100,000 of the population who exhibited the type of cancer caused by safrole oil before the 1960 ban on it's human consumption and after. If there's an actual statistically significant diff

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread P. J. Alling
It's highest concentration is supposed to be in the root bark. But apparently it's worse than I thought it's used in making MDMA. That means it will soon be illegal to even posses... http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/chem_prog/advisories/safrole.htm Bob Shell wrote: > On May 6, 2007, at 7:44

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell wrote: >On May 6, 2007, at 7:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >> Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is >> Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if >> using the original root but you can't buy it you'll have to collect >> yourself >

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Bob Shell
On May 6, 2007, at 7:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is > Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if > using the original root but you can't buy it you'll have to collect > yourself Are you sure about that?

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-07 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
At 07:48 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:20:39 -0400 >From: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: OT: rootbeer? >To: "Pdml@pdml.net" >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread graywolf
It is sort of like the neutrasweet test they did. Came out the dosage in the rats was the equivalent of a human drinking 200 bottles of diet soda a day. Almost anything is poisonous in large enough quantities, even water. P. J. Alling wrote: > The way the FDA tests for carcinogenic compounds is

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
You're wasting your time. There's no alcohol in it:-). Paul On May 6, 2007, at 7:20 PM, cbwaters wrote: > There are some of you on the list who have spoken out about brewing > your own > beers. I've even tasted one, thanks to Bill Owens. (By the way, > where is > Bill these days? ) > I have a

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
The way the FDA tests for carcinogenic compounds is completely biased. Firstly I believe that lab rats are prone to cancer. Beyond that, secondly if the amount of a compound is scaled up to human size you'd have to ingest a boxcar load. I was able to find at least one citation, that an enzyme

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
I couldn't find the recipe I used but a quick search of the web found this: First, put 5-6 quarts of water into your favorite brew pot, and then add: * 1 oz sarsparilla root * 1 oz sassafras root bark* * 1

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Cory Papenfuss" Subject: Re: OT: rootbeer? > On Sun, 6 May 2007, P. J. Alling wrote: > >> >> Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is >> Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinog

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Sun, 6 May 2007, P. J. Alling wrote: > > Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is > Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if > using the original root but you can't buy it you'll have to collect yourself > I've wanted to try some *r

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Natural root beer is banned by the FDA. It's primary flavoring is Sassafras, (containing safrole),which is a carcinogen. I've made if using the original root but you can't buy it you'll have to collect yourself cbwaters wrote: > There are some of you on the list who have spoken out about bre

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 07/05/07, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a confession to make. > I'm a 35 year-old-man and I just don't like beer. > > There, I said it. LOL, I'm sure no one will hold it against you, they'll just laugh and point ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC

Re: OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread David J Brooks
Stay a way from the beer cooler in my truck/:-) Dave On 5/6/07, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are some of you on the list who have spoken out about brewing your own > beers. I've even tasted one, thanks to Bill Owens. (By the way, where is > Bill these days? ) > I have a confession

OT: rootbeer?

2007-05-06 Thread cbwaters
There are some of you on the list who have spoken out about brewing your own beers. I've even tasted one, thanks to Bill Owens. (By the way, where is Bill these days? ) I have a confession to make. I'm a 35 year-old-man and I just don't like beer. There, I said it. Root Beer though, I like a l