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or $519 ! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Re: Digital Leica M8? > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth

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From: "Paul Stenquist" > Subject: Re: Digital Leica M8? > > >> Although they're made by middle eastern immigrant workers, many of >> them illegals. Same as Mercedes, BMW and Porsche. > > Can you point me to some evidence of this? > > William Robb &g

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On Aug 28, 2006, at 11:21 PM, William Robb wrote: > Erwitt's pictures are well regarded by some because they figure he > is a > good photographer. Erwitt is a humorist who uses photography as his medium. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdm

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On Aug 28, 2006, at 9:25 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Although they're made by middle eastern immigrant workers, many of > them illegals. Same as Mercedes, BMW and Porsche. But the costs of > doing business in Europe are still very high, even with a non- > European workforce. Leica cameras are ma

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In Britain it has been a criminal offence for at least ten years to employ somebody who does not have a right to work in the country. You won't find a car company employing such people. Germany had a special deal with Turkey, so it was very easy for Turks to work in Germany legally. I doubt

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I spent quite a bit of time in Stuttgart when I worked on Mercedes advertising. Management complained that they couldn't get Germans to take factory jobs. Most were held by Turks. The vast majority were legal immigrants, But reportedly quite a few get by with phony documentation. Paul On Aug 29

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Paul Stenquist wrote: > Although they're made by middle eastern immigrant workers, many of > them illegals. Same as Mercedes, BMW and Porsche. But the costs of > doing business in Europe are still very high, even with a non- > European workforce. Paul, I think that none of the big companies y

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On 29/08/06, Douglas Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And the Voigtlanders are made in the heart of Japan... > Same difference. That they are, and they are relatively expensive and they do suffer QA problems (from my experience) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GM

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Well, I am a lesser photographer ... Shel > [Original Message] > From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Date: 8/28/2006 9:19:58 PM > Subject: Re: Digital Leica M8? > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 09:21:26PM -0600, William Robb wro

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Although they're made by middle eastern immigrant workers, many of > them illegals. Same as Mercedes, BMW and Porsche. Reference, please? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

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- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: Digital Leica M8? >> My 600 is definitely a better lens without the 112mm filter on the >> front. > > Is it really a filter? Pretty sure. It says Tamron 112mm Normal MC on the ring. William Robb

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lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Digital Leica M8? > > - Original Message - > From: "Shel Belinkoff" > Subject: RE: Digital Leica M8? > > > >> >> My comment was made just to point out that a photographer as >> well-regarded >> as

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On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 09:21:26PM -0600, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Shel Belinkoff" > Subject: RE: Digital Leica M8? > > > > > > > My comment was made just to point out that a photographer as > > well-rega

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--- "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > They are made in the heart of Europe, not the > Philippines And the Voigtlanders are made in the heart of Japan... Same difference. New Doug __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the b

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- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: Digital Leica M8? > Although they're made by middle eastern immigrant workers, many of > them illegals. Same as Mercedes, BMW and Porsche. Can you point me to some evidence of this? William Robb --

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- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: RE: Digital Leica M8? > > My comment was made just to point out that a photographer as > well-regarded > as Erwitt uses a filter. So many people with somewhat lesser > portfolios > religiously condemn

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Although they're made by middle eastern immigrant workers, many of them illegals. Same as Mercedes, BMW and Porsche. But the costs of doing business in Europe are still very high, even with a non- European workforce. Paul On Aug 28, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 29/08/06,

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On 29/08/06, Douglas Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can see an M7 costing perhaps $2000. But $3500 is, I > am afraid, just far too much... They are made in the heart of Europe, not the Philippines -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTEC

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--- "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes and a friend has the R3. QC stinks. I'm sorry to hear that. I thought it looked like a nice camera, considering its low price. --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frankly, when the Leica costs more than an F6, > there's a problem

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--- Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kern was not > connected with Paillard, Bolex was. The Kern > factory was primarily a > maker of very fine binoculars, including the > innovative Focalpin > series that were hermetically sealed. The factory > still exists, but > was bought so

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Never known of one to "wear out" to the point it could not be repaired, although the M3 in some instances can't have a damaged rangefinder repaired. Usually they just need an adjustment rather than a full-on repair, although shutter curtains sometimes need to be replaced. There's something to be

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On Aug 28, 2006, at 1:33 PM, graywolf wrote: > I have an Alpha automatic watch, it looks like, and works like a Rolex > Explorer II. Now I have compared them side by side at a jewelers. I > would guess the Rolex costs about twice as much to make as the Alpha. > The Rolex lists for over $5000. The

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On Aug 28, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Don't worry, the Leica M8 needs no battery. All it needs is an > (optional) > Leicavit-type of power supply, so that you have to keep triggering > all the > time while shooting/playing pictures. As an excellent alternative, > you can > buy

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oting while cycling. Leica is setting the new standard for timeless mechanical digicams! ;-) Dario - Original Message - From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Re: Digital Leica

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Oh, Leicas wear out all right. The fit and finish is superb however, and that does cost a bit extra. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- William Robb wrote: > > > >>> Is the M7 re

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I have an Alpha automatic watch, it looks like, and works like a Rolex Explorer II. Now I have compared them side by side at a jewelers. I would guess the Rolex costs about twice as much to make as the Alpha. The Rolex lists for over $5000. The Alpha cost me $45. Note that the Rolex is 100 time

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There are all kinds of companies now making mechanical watches again. There are probably 50 brands of automatic wristwatches available today, $50 and up. Seems like a lot of people have gotten tired of changing batteries all the time. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.chart

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Kostas the Sacrilegious wrote: > Note the filter on Erwitt's lens ... > What is it? > There's something so very beautiful about a > well-brassed black-bodied camera. > I just haven't figured it out yet. My comment was made just to point out that a photographer as well-regarded as Erwitt uses

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Interesting. Bread around here is about $2/loaf, of course I just get plain Whole Wheat. Milk is $2/L and I've no clue what ground turkey costs, I just get Ground Beef for that sort of thing (At about $4/lb) Prices in Canuck Peso's of course. Frankly, when the Leica costs more than an F6, there

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Yes and a friend has the R3. QC stinks. I agree the cameras are spendy, but then, a loaf of good bread in my area costs almost $4.00 and a quart of milk is more than $1.25 - almost $2.00 for some brands, and the local supermarket is selling ground turkey for $5.00/lb. Shel > [Original M

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Douglas Newman wrote: > > --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > << there is a very distinct difference between the R3a > and the M7, mostly in build. Now a Zeiss Ikon (at > around $1500USD) on the other hand... >> > > Isn't the Zeiss Ikon basically the same camera as the > Bessa, but markete

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Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > Leica still builds - and always has built - their basic camera, the current > versions being the M7 and MP variants, as well as a replica Barnack > edition. The Barnack edition is the least expensive of the three. > > Yes, you can buy a dressed up Leica, and there's not

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--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: << there is a very distinct difference between the R3a and the M7, mostly in build. Now a Zeiss Ikon (at around $1500USD) on the other hand... >> Isn't the Zeiss Ikon basically the same camera as the Bessa, but marketed as a Zeiss by Hasselblad? New Doug

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Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 28/08/06, Douglas Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>--- "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >><< a user can buy a bog stock body, granted they are >>expensive but not unreasonably so. >> >> >>>From B&H: >> >>Leica M7: $3,495 >>Voigtlander Bessa R3

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Douglas Newman wrote: > --- "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > << a user can buy a bog stock body, granted they are > expensive but not unreasonably so. >> > >>From B&H: > > Leica M7: $3,495 > Voigtlander Bessa R3A: $549.95 > > Is the M7 really worth more than more than SIX time

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Note the filter on Erwitt's lens ... What is it? > There's something so very beautiful about a well-brassed black-bodied > camera. I just haven't figured it out yet. Kostas the Sacrilegious -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdm

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hine. That was a great collectible too. > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff > > Sent: 28 August 2006 07:23 > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subje

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On Aug 28, 2006, at 4:39 AM, John Celio wrote: > FYI, the official Leica press-release about this and more cool > stuff will be > released a couple days after Pentax's. I can say no more. http://tinyurl.com/g43e6 Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/li

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On Aug 28, 2006, at 12:08 AM, William Robb wrote: > Something to consider in buying a Leica is the cost per exposure > before > the camera wears out. >> From whay I have heard, Leica is the least expensive camera to use if > one takes a lot of pictures. > Apparently, they don't wear out. > This

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On Aug 28, 2006, at 12:22 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: > I love the Kern lens on the Leica...that's too cool. I > want an Alpa just for the Kern lenses. They are so > sharp they will cut you. Kern-Paillard also made > lenses for the Bolex movie cameras. Beautiful, > precision lenses of terrific qual

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;Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: Digital Leica M8? > > Those black paint jobs look great don't they? I think Leica have used > Erwitt's camera on some of their adverts and posters. > > I've been trying to find the ebay webpage of Victor Englebert's M

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On 28/8/06, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed: >FYI, the official Leica press-release about this and more cool stuff will be >released a couple days after Pentax's. I can say no more. Balls. Publish and be damned. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

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FYI, the official Leica press-release about this and more cool stuff will be released a couple days after Pentax's. I can say no more. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

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a great collectible too. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff > Sent: 28 August 2006 07:23 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Digital Leica M8? > > Indeed ... >

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Indeed ... Some real "collectible" Leicas: Elliott Erwitt's M3: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/1941882/channel/4 Gary Winogrand's last M4: http://www.cameraquest.com/LeicaM4G.htm Jim Marshall's M4: http://photo.net/bboard/big-image?bboard_upload_id=20693984 My Leicas are 40+ years

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--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... This page may > interest you: > > http://www.cameraquest.com/TAnotcoll.htm > > I love the Kern lens on the Leica...that's too cool. I want an Alpa just for the Kern lenses. They are so sharp they will cut you. Kern-Paillard also made lense

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> >> Is the M7 really worth more than more than SIX times >> the price of the R3A? > >> I find this extremely hard to believe. > > > Leica still builds - and always has built - their basic camera, the > current > versions being the M7 and MP variants, as well as a replica Barnack > edition. T

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New Doug said: > This is why I have little respect these days for > Leica. It seems to me that they build cameras only for > rich camera collectors, not for actual photographers. > I cannot respect any camera that is manufactured > specially to sit in someone's collection, rather than > to actual

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On 28/08/06, Douglas Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > << a user can buy a bog stock body, granted they are > expensive but not unreasonably so. >> > > >From B&H: > > Leica M7: $3,495 > Voigtlander Bessa R3A: $549.95 > > Is the M7 really wor

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--- "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: << a user can buy a bog stock body, granted they are expensive but not unreasonably so. >> >From B&H: Leica M7: $3,495 Voigtlander Bessa R3A: $549.95 Is the M7 really worth more than more than SIX times the price of the R3A? I find this extr

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Other than Rolex. Still the perpetual movement, no electronics. Paul On Aug 27, 2006, at 10:02 PM, George Sinos wrote: > Reminds me of what happened to watches in the 1970's. > > See you later, gs > > > On 8/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Douglas Newma

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Reminds me of what happened to watches in the 1970's. See you later, gs On 8/27/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Douglas Newman wrote: > > My thoughts exactly. They've replaced the ultra-precise, > very-limited-production, mechanical internals of a Leica wi

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On 28/08/06, Douglas Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is why I have little respect these days for > Leica. It seems to me that they build cameras only for > rich camera collectors, not for actual photographers. > > I cannot respect any camera that is manufactured > specially to sit in some

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Douglas Newman wrote: >--- Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ><< They will sell a special hand-hammered titanium one >as an accessory for $ 500.00 and another one with >Hermes designed silk covering for $2,000.00. >> > >Don't give them any ideas ;-)! > >This is why I have little respect these d

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--- Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: << They will sell a special hand-hammered titanium one as an accessory for $ 500.00 and another one with Hermes designed silk covering for $2,000.00. >> Don't give them any ideas ;-)! This is why I have little respect these days for Leica. It seems to me t

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On Aug 27, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Cotty wrote: > Oooh. :-) > > needs some sort of robust LCD cover though.. They will sell a special hand-hammered titanium one as an accessory for $ 500.00 and another one with Hermes designed silk covering for $ 2,000.00. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mai

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On 27/8/06, Bob Shell, discombobulated, unleashed: > >OK, I downloaded it and put the damned thing in my PESO folder. Here >it is: > >http://www.bobshell.com/PESO/m8.jpg Oooh. :-) needs some sort of robust LCD cover though.. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Pl

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Thanks Bob, Looks like an expensive way to use your Leica glass! ...I guess that's nothing new. Regards, Bob S. On 8/27/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 27, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > > > still "Invalid attachment specified...notify administrator" > > Regards, Bob

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On Aug 27, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > still "Invalid attachment specified...notify administrator" > Regards, Bob S. OK, I downloaded it and put the damned thing in my PESO folder. Here it is: http://www.bobshell.com/PESO/m8.jpg Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.

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Same here, "invalid..." -Brendan --- Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > still "Invalid attachment specified...notify > administrator" > Regards, Bob S. > > On 8/27/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nope. I cleared the cache and both still work. > The tinyurl address > > wou

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still "Invalid attachment specified...notify administrator" Regards, Bob S. On 8/27/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nope. I cleared the cache and both still work. The tinyurl address > would not have been cached, anyway, because I only made it today when > I saw the post about the fu

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Nope. I cleared the cache and both still work. The tinyurl address would not have been cached, anyway, because I only made it today when I saw the post about the full URL not working. Bob On Aug 27, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > Neither work for me either, and I am a site member, pe

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I know about the RD-1, of course. $3000 is still too much for a 6 MP camera... j On 8/26/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Juan Buhler wrote: > > The viewfinder alone is the reason I've been shooting more film lately. > > > > But at $5000, it will be hard for me to justify. I'll most pro

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Adam Maas wrote: >Neither work for me either, and I am a site member, perhaps they live on >in yur browser cache? That's probably what's happening. -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailma

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Last night I also found the links not to work, but was able to find the pics and info by manually navigating to the RFF News forum and reading the thread there (and I'm not a member). Trying the same thing now, it appears that that thread has disappeared there. -Marco On Aug 27, 2006,

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Neither work for me either, and I am a site member, perhaps they live on in yur browser cache? -Adam Bob Shell wrote: > Must be a problem with your system. Both work just fine for me. > > Bob > > On Aug 27, 2006, at 8:24 AM, David Savage wrote: > > >>That doesn't work either. >> >>I get: >

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On 27/08/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Must be a problem with your system. Both work just fine for me. Neither link works for me either, but nor am I a member of the board. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.sw

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Must be a problem with your system. Both work just fine for me. Bob On Aug 27, 2006, at 8:24 AM, David Savage wrote: > That doesn't work either. > > I get: > > "Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please > notify the administrator" > > Dave > > On 8/27/06, Bob Shell <[EM

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Bob Shell wrote: >Works fine if you fix the like break. > >Try this: > >http://tinyurl.com/o94t9 Both that link and the original give me "Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 41

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That doesn't work either. I get: "Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" Dave On 8/27/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Works fine if you fix the like break. > > Try this: > > http://tinyurl.com/o94t9 > > Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discus

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Works fine if you fix the like break. Try this: http://tinyurl.com/o94t9 Bob On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:51 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > It seems that link no longer works. > > Bob Shell wrote: > >> Is it real or is it Photoshop? >> >> >> www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php? >> attachmentid=

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It seems that link no longer works. Bob Shell wrote: >Is it real or is it Photoshop? > > >www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php? >attachmentid=31924&d=1156557449 > > > > > -- -- Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as modern America's favorite pet. People lik

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Juan Buhler wrote: > The viewfinder alone is the reason I've been shooting more film lately. > > But at $5000, it will be hard for me to justify. I'll most probably > just get a K10D for now. > > Maybe Epson/Cosina will put out something similar and cheaper... > > j > They did. The RD-1/RD-1s.

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Yeah, an old Leica film camera is a great thing to have, but I don't need an overpriced Leica digital. The K10D will be my main camera for quite a while to come, with the *istD as a backup. When the next Pentax digital upgrade is released, the D will go and the 10 will become the backup. My

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The viewfinder alone is the reason I've been shooting more film lately. But at $5000, it will be hard for me to justify. I'll most probably just get a K10D for now. Maybe Epson/Cosina will put out something similar and cheaper... j On 8/26/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From r

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From reading the Leica forums, it seems to be real. But is it good? Maybe, maybe not. Paul On Aug 26, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Bob Shell wrote: > Is it real or is it Photoshop? > > > www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php? > attachmentid=31924&d=1156557449 > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mai