Citing examples of consumer-grade electronics failing often negate
the original assumption of properly and correctly designed with decent
components. Take a piece of aircraft avionics they live in a
*horrible* environment with heat/cold/vibration/shock/corrosion and last
literally for
- Original Message -
From: Cory Papenfuss
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
The subject is consumer grade electronics.
William Robb
Actually, the subject was electronics. If you'd like to
interpret that as consumer electronics, feel free. In the broder
Yeah, and the bolts that hold the wings on can be substituted for some
found at your local hardware store.
Cheers,
Dave
On 5/28/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I remember when the alternator for a Cessna 172 cost $600. Except for the FAA
inspection tag it was exactly the same
- Original Message -
From: David Savage
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Yeah, and the bolts that hold the wings on can be substituted for some
found at your local hardware store.
The balloon that I flew years ago used what appeared to be the same type of
fuel
On 5/31/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also heard some really scary stories of baskets catching fire during
flight when cheap fuel lines ruptured..
A similar sort of thing happend to an Australian navy replenishment
vessel. They had a fuel leak due to non-approved type fuel
I remember when the alternator for a Cessna 172 cost $600. Except for the FAA
inspection tag it was exactly the same alternator as in the Olds Cutlass of the
same year which cost $44. So, you guys, go ahead and believe what ever you
want.
Just remember that car prices more than doubled when
- Original Message -
From: Cory Papenfuss
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Citing examples of consumer-grade electronics failing often negate
the original assumption of properly and correctly designed with decent
components. Take a piece of aircraft
On 5/24/07, Cory Papenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Citing examples of consumer-grade electronics failing often negate
the original assumption of properly and correctly designed with decent
components. Take a piece of aircraft avionics they live in a
*horrible* environment with
This started from my saying that I wasn't expecting any major improvements
in digital photography in the next few years, and that the K10D is
remarkable for its specification/price ratio rather than for breaking new
ground. However it is done, shake reduction has been with us for a while,
On 25/05/07, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This started from my saying that I wasn't expecting any major improvements
in digital photography in the next few years, and that the K10D is
remarkable for its specification/price ratio rather than for breaking new
ground. However it is done,
I agree, Peter, but it's not a specifically digital breakthrough.
Theoretically it would be possible to build a film body with anti-shake.
And also, it doesn't improve image quality generally, only with slow
shutter speeds.
John
On Thu, 24 May 2007 00:36:13 +0100, P. J. Alling
[EMAIL
Actually, in-body anti-shake is digital-only, there's too much mass in a
film transport system to do it reliably. That's why film setups only use
in-lens (both technologies have been understood at the theoretical level
for years).
-Adam
John Forbes wrote:
I agree, Peter, but it's not a
Think of it as adding 2 - 21/2 stops.
or...
Think of it as allowing me to mount my camera on my motorcycle bars.
That means a lot to me.
Regards,
Bob Blakely
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree, Peter, but it's not a specifically digital breakthrough.
Theoretically it would
On 23/05/07, Cory Papenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most likely a mechanical failure in the camcorder, and either a
mechanical failure or electronic overheating in the DVD player. Properly
designed solid-state electronics will last practically until the sun burns
out (or the
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/05/22 Tue PM 10:37:08 GMT
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
image sensors generally become noisy over time and can suffer degradation
of their
Bayer filters and photosites due to overexposure.
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/05/23 Wed AM 04:26:05 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
On May 22, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:
In the real world laser diodes fail with alarming
On Wed, 23 May 2007 00:04:03 +0100, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He bought a K10D a long time after he was predicting Pentax's demise on
here, and he did so because his predictions about Pentax going belly up
were proved wrong.
Do you consider two years a long time? John. What is a
Just a friendly reminder from the List Guy:
Please remember to trim posts to fit them under the 10K size limit.
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On May 23, 2007, at 2:06 AM, mike wilson wrote:
Hmmm. In the three(?) years I've known you, you have replaced your
computer, HDDs, car, cameras, lenses and cell phone. The two
things that you have mentioned that you have owned for what I would
consider a decent length of time are a
You get one from Verizon?
Norm
Doug Brewer wrote:
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Donations gladly accepted.
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From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:59:11 -0400
Yes.
On May 22, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Tom
I should add by citing a very recent example of equipment failure that
I experienced. Yesterday my network printer printed one job but the
next was stuck in the queue and would not print. The problem turned
out to be the JetDirect network interface card in the printer, it was
simply no more,
I was simply being kind and was at a loss for words. If I knew a camera
company was going out of business I certainly would not run out and buy
more
of the same because it will eventually stop working, likely not be
supported, and be worthless.
Tom C.
Let me explain it in short
On May 23, 2007, at 7:34 AM, Tom C wrote:
Send it to Godfrey. It will start working again.
Most likely. I have that effect on devices, it seems.
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On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 08:47:24AM -0600, Tom C wrote:
Who knows what advancements could be made in digital picture technology in 5
- 10 years?
Tom C.
Well, we don't know, but I should think we could make a pretty good guess.
Digital cameras have been around that long, and digital imaging
In my experience things usually fail right away, or wait until they are
unrepairable grin.
Besides this list is just like the evening news, there is no interest in good
news. Seems to me the only time we do not want to hear about someones problems
is when they are close enough to them that
On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:47:24 +0100, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was simply being kind and was at a loss for words. If I knew a
camera
company was going out of business I certainly would not run out and
buy
more
of the same because it will eventually stop working, likely not
Tom, you're nearly there. It's because bodies are more likely to fail
that I would be keen to buy a couple and that way ensure that my lenses
could still be used. I wouldn't buy more lenses because eventually there
would be no body to use them on. That would be a waste.
All this is
Don't worry about bodies, Cotty is gonna show us all how to make
Frankenlenses out of our best Pentax gear and mount it on Canons.
Regards, Bob S.
On 5/23/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom, you're nearly there. It's because bodies are more likely to fail
that I would be keen to buy a
On Wed, 23 May 2007 18:45:21 +0100, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom, you're nearly there. It's because bodies are more likely to fail
that I would be keen to buy a couple and that way ensure that my lenses
could still be used. I wouldn't buy more lenses because eventually
there
would
On May 23, 2007, at 9:35 AM, John Francis wrote:
... perhaps the
research that Pat Hanrahan's group are doing over at Stanford on a
camera that captures more than just a single plane of focus. It's a
little early to tell, but I suspect the tradeoff in lower resolution
may relegate this to
It's just economics, Tom. For hundreds of dollars I could prolong the use
of my lovely Pentax lenses for many years. To switch would cost thousands.
John
I understand. When/if it comes to it, switching will be a slow process for
me.
Tom C.
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Actually if the Anti Shake works the way Pentax claims it is a
breakthrough. It may not be apparent in any flashy way but it's there.
John Forbes wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:47:24 +0100, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was simply being kind and was at a loss for words. If I knew a
On Wed, 23 May 2007, Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 23/05/07, Cory Papenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most likely a mechanical failure in the camcorder, and either a
mechanical failure or electronic overheating in the DVD player. Properly
designed solid-state electronics will last
On 5/22/07, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone does make an M42 mount body. Or at least they did until fim
died. It might have been Bessa Voigtlander. Not sure.
Yes,
Does Zenit still make one? M42 Russian lenses are widely available, new
I believe.
Yes. Here's a Russian vendor
Yes only DNG.
It produces JPEG more Canon-like IMO and may (not sure) have its
exposure more Canon-like as well.
The shape is a bit different as well and the menu IMO is way better
than the Pentax verion.
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On 21/5/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? I've
got an electronic calculator here that's nearly 30 years old and
still working perfectly.
Fair point. Lens is allegedly sealed against dust and moisture, so if
Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water?
I've just binned a Sony V6000 camcorder. About 12 years old, but hardly
used. Optically and mechanically like new. The problem: dozens of
leaking electrolytic capacitors. The phenomenon is
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suspect the electronics will die before anything else.
I have three Pentax P50 whose shutter release buttons have gone erratic
and I've recently returned a Super A that I had just bought on ebay for
the same reason.
Ralf
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/05/21 Mon PM 11:18:04 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
On May 21, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Cotty wrote:
The Canon lenses will still be working in 3 years - dunno about 6
From: Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/05/22 Tue AM 06:24:52 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
On 5/22/07, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone does make an M42 mount body. Or at least they did
On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:29:11 +0100, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 21/05/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm just tired of all those who spend so much time watching the sky
to see if it's falling. If I were inclined to dump my Pentax gear, I
would do it now. But I'm not
On 22/05/07, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung
(subject to the deal going through, of course), but that's just a guess,
like everything else that has been said on this subject.
It's peculiar then that they registered the
Digital Image Studio wrote:
It's peculiar then that they registered the domain Hoya-Pentax.com
Domain Name.. hoya-pentax.com
Creation Date 2006-12-21
Registration Date 2006-12-21
Expiry Date.. 2007-12-21
Organisation Name HOYA CORPORATION
Organisation
On 22/05/07, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was registered the same day they announced the agreement for the
Hoya-Pentax merge into Hoya Pentax HD, remember? Why is it peculiar? It
should be peculiar not to do that.
Shows their intent to maintain the Pentax name in any case.
In
John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung
Heaven help us.
Ralf
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On May 22, 2007, at 1:13 AM, mike wilson wrote:
Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? I've
got an electronic calculator here that's nearly 30 years old and
still working perfectly.
What Cotty said is possibly badly worded but it is true that when/
if the
There is an electrical phenomenom called electro-migration which can
degrade electronics over time, especially points of high current.
CCD's are notorious for high current transfers.
On 5/22/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 21/5/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
Why
Thats another even more common failure mechanism. I have a Sony tape
deck that I really like and have master recordings that sound best on
it (because the masters were made on it)
that has an electrolytic cap problem. It motor-boats, but the
location is impossible to pin-point.
On 5/22/07,
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tom,
Neither you nor Herb had or have the slightest idea what you are talking
about.
See ya John.
Tom C.
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That was back in the days when the deal was announced as a merger, and the
stated plan was to continue to make cameras.
John
On Tue, 22 May 2007 13:09:15 +0100, Digital Image Studio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 22/05/07, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My guess is that it has already
Electronics wear out just like anything else. Cycling it on and off
creates heat stress in connections at the very least. Mechanical
switches are a week point they wear out from physical movement, seals at
those points wear as well, and replacement parts after 30 years will be
made out of
From: Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/05/22 Tue AM 06:24:52 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/pentax_cameras_lenses.htm
Anyone tried their 16/2.8 on Pentax digitals
- Original Message -
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Solid state logic components rarely if ever die, Mike, unless
subjected to abuse in the form of wet environment or bad power . All
the failures mentioned so far are mechanical failures
In a message dated 5/22/2007 12:51:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water?
Human electrical fields interfere.
Marnie aka Doe ;-)
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 22/05/07, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was registered the same day they announced the agreement for the
Hoya-Pentax merge into Hoya Pentax HD, remember? Why is it peculiar? It
should be peculiar not to do that.
Shows their intent to maintain the
Bad electrolytic in the power supply?? That's typically the source of
motor-boating - the capacitor fails and the pulsating DC doesn't get
smoothed out.
-p
Gonz wrote:
Thats another even more common failure mechanism. I have a Sony tape
deck that I really like and have master recordings
What makes you think they're going to sell Cameras there?
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 22/05/07, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung
(subject to the deal going through, of course), but that's just a guess,
like
On May 22, 2007, at 7:19 AM, William Robb wrote:
My older F2s is still working just fine, but I have owned a couple
of MX
bodies with flakey meters, both dead from unrepairable electronics,
not
mechanical failures.
Cheap components, usually the resistor used for the K-mount aperture
. Alling
Sent: 22 May, 2007 5:42 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Electronics wear out just like anything else. Cycling it on and off
creates heat stress in connections at the very least. Mechanical
switches are a week point they wear out
Tom,
Neither you nor Herb had or have the slightest idea what you are talking
about.
Pentax is in better shape now than it was two years ago. What has changed
is that it has a major shareholder that owns enough shares to call the
shots. And that major shareholder has no interest in cameras, it
mode.
Henk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of P. J. Alling
Sent: 22 May, 2007 5:42 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Electronics wear out just like anything else. Cycling
Remember the plan to continue to make cameras was assumed by Pentax.
Hoya's plans were unknown but hinted at by their CFO, which seems to
have precipitated the unpleasantness. By the way if Hoya is so strong
and Pentax's prospects are so bleek, why didn't Hoya just say, then have
it your
And it drys cloths no better than the 30 year old dryer I bought for
$25.00 12 years ago, and fixed for less than $10. Replacing all of the
temperature sensors and door switch in less than two hours. (I ended up
giving it away 6 months ago as I had no place to store it).
Tom C wrote:
What
What all these problems really indicate is how cheap, low-spec most
of the electronic components being used are, even in high-end
cameras. Curiously, my 1966 RCA transistor radio that cost me $20
(expensive back then!) is still going strong.
Godfrey
Likely planned obsolescence?
On a side note,
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remember the plan to continue to make cameras was assumed by Pentax.
Hoya's plans were unknown but hinted at by their CFO, which seems to
have precipitated the unpleasantness. By the way if Hoya is so strong
and Pentax's prospects are so bleek, why didn't
: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:49:04 -0400
And it drys cloths no better than the 30 year old dryer I bought for
$25.00 12 years ago, and fixed for less than $10. Replacing all of the
temperature sensors and door switch in less than two hours. (I ended up
- Original Message -
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
On May 22, 2007, at 7:19 AM, William Robb wrote:
My older F2s is still working just fine, but I have owned a couple
of MX
bodies with flakey meters, both dead from unrepairable
On 5/22/07, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bad electrolytic in the power supply?? That's typically the source of
motor-boating - the capacitor fails and the pulsating DC doesn't get
smoothed out.
More than likely. But the supply is distributed throughought the
circuit board with
I dont know why Pentax does not just take a poison pill if it does not
want to be acquired by Hoya. I.e. take on alot of debt and buy back
tons of its stock. Isnt that what american companies do with some
hostile takeovers? Maybe its not an option in Japan?
rg
On 5/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you suggesting that the mergers like Time/AOL, HP/Compaq,
Daimler/Chrysler, etc. were not smashing successes?
Norm
P. J. Alling wrote:
It's seldom that the results of such a merger are better than building
the business you already have. Most such mergers result in
disappointment.
It's seldom that the results of such a merger are better than building
the business you already have. Most such mergers result in
disappointment. (That doesn't stop them from happening however). A
classic example was Sperry and Burroughs merging in 1986 to take
advantage of their Synergy,
In a message dated 5/22/2007 11:04:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I dont know why Pentax does not just take a poison pill if it does not
want to be acquired by Hoya. I.e. take on alot of debt and buy back
tons of its stock. Isnt that what american companies do with
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 02:03:32PM -0400, Norm Baugher wrote..
Are you suggesting that the mergers like Time/AOL, HP/Compaq,
Daimler/Chrysler, etc. were not smashing successes?
Daimler-Chrysler definitely was not a smashing success..
From my own experience I can tell that mergers are a mixed
feud that
brought this about.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/editorial/20070522TDY04005.htm
Tom C.
From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:52
I could be mistaken, but I thought it was Pentax that originally approached
Hoya regarding a merger.
Tom C.
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Date
On May 22, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Tom C wrote:
What all these problems really indicate is how cheap, low-spec most
of the electronic components being used are, even in high-end
cameras. Curiously, my 1966 RCA transistor radio that cost me $20
(expensive back then!) is still going strong.
Likely
On May 22, 2007, at 9:54 AM, William Robb wrote:
We've been down this road before, it must have been before you
found us. The
MX uses some proprietary circuitry for the light meter, and this is
the
component that failed.
Thanks, sounds like they didn't do a particularly good job of
I think history speaks for itself.
Norm Baugher wrote:
Are you suggesting that the mergers like Time/AOL, HP/Compaq,
Daimler/Chrysler, etc. were not smashing successes?
Norm
P. J. Alling wrote:
It's seldom that the results of such a merger are better than building
the business you
the water as older top load washers and are much easier
on clothes.
Tom C.
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12
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Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:40:39 -0400
Front loads have been around for a long time, even here. The old
technology is much easier to repair, and usually costs less than new
electronic devices, which seem to designed
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From: Wilko Bulte [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 02:03:32PM -0400, Norm Baugher wrote..
Are you suggesting that the mergers like Time/AOL, HP/Compaq,
Daimler/Chrysler, etc. were not smashing successes?
Daimler-Chrysler
It's a big deal in Japan, if Pentax declines, and Hoya mounts a hostile
takeover it will be a first for Japan, or so it's been reported. The
Japanese are very polite and to not find agreement is just too uncivilized.
Gonz wrote:
I dont know why Pentax does not just take a poison pill if it
it was an internal management feud that
brought this about.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/editorial/20070522TDY04005.htm
Tom C.
From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist
Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you suggesting that the mergers like Time/AOL, HP/Compaq,
Daimler/Chrysler, etc. were not smashing successes?
Daimler-Chryslera smashing success? You haven't just returned from a
looong holiday at a Russian prison camp or a year-long coma, by any
Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A company makes more profit replacing an entire circuit board that costs $20
and charging $250 + 1 hour labor, than they do trouble shooting the board
for an hour and replacing $.10 and $1.00 parts.
Not to forget that formerly service departments used to be
He was being facetious, Ralf.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf R. Radermacher)
Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you suggesting that the mergers like Time/AOL, HP/Compaq,
Daimler/Chrysler, etc. were not smashing successes?
- Original Message -
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
The F2 uses S/76 or Dl1/3N lithiums. I think the DP-2 head has better
components than the older F Photomic heads. They seem to be pretty
bomb
proof.
Hmm. I could swear my F and F2
- Original Message -
From: Tom C
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
I think the new technology is often easily repairable. It's just that most
of the electronics is now manufactured overseas and it's incredibly cheap.
A company makes more profit replacing an entire
Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A company makes more profit replacing an entire circuit board that
costs $20
and charging $250 + 1 hour labor, than they do trouble shooting the
board
for an hour and replacing $.10 and $1.00 parts.
Not to forget that formerly service departments used to
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:52:37 -0500
I dont know why Pentax does not just take a poison pill if it does not
want to be acquired by Hoya. I.e. take on alot of debt and buy back
tons of its stock
On 5/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 5/22/2007 11:04:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I dont know why Pentax does not just take a poison pill if it does not
want to be acquired by Hoya. I.e. take on alot of debt and buy back
William Robb wrote:
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
The F2 uses S/76 or Dl1/3N lithiums. I think the DP-2 head has better
components than the older F Photomic heads. They seem to be pretty
bomb
proof
I think the new technology is often easily repairable. It's just that
most
of the electronics is now manufactured overseas and it's incredibly
cheap.
A company makes more profit replacing an entire circuit board that costs
$20
and charging $250 + 1 hour labor, than they do trouble
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Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:53:24 -0400
It's seldom that the results of such a merger are better than building
the business you already have. Most such mergers result in
disappointment. (That doesn't stop them from
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Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:49:04 -0400
And it drys cloths no better than the 30 year old dryer I bought for
$25.00 12 years ago, and fixed for less than $10. Replacing all
I believe that Norm is being sarcastic, since Time/AOL and HP/Compaq
both lead to the executives who brought them about losing their
positions. Something that indicates something less than rousing success.
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you
Last report I saw, I seem to remember Sparx owning a bit less than 30%.
Gonz wrote:
On 5/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 5/22/2007 11:04:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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I dont know why Pentax does not just take a poison pill
Except for those executives walked away with multi-million dollar severance
packages and stock otions.
Tom C.
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Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist
me feel bad about it. :-)
Tom C.
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Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:26:43 -0400
How many hours did you spend fixing your
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