Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Zos Xavius
It is probably for the best that diesels never caught on in America for several reasons. Can you imagine the increased pollution? On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Clouseau would have been wrong. :-) > > Paul via phone > >> On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:54 PM,

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
Clouseau would have been wrong. :-) Paul via phone > On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Jostein wrote: > > Well as Clouseau would have said, not anymeur. :-) > Jostein > > Den 11.12.2016 21.51, skrev Paul Stenquist: >> U.S. Diesel standards were much stricter than Europe's for

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Jostein
Well as Clouseau would have said, not anymeur. :-) Jostein Den 11.12.2016 21.51, skrev Paul Stenquist: U.S. Diesel standards were much stricter than Europe's for decades. I worked with Mercedes and they were troubled by the challenge.but they met it. Europe was more or less pulled along.

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Jostein
Bipin, You should cheer your local government to fast-track emission regulations. According to Wikipedia it seems India is a decade behind Europe. Sounds like you really need to, with your levels of pollution. The weather during the winter monsoon doesn't seem to help things either. Jostein

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Bill
Some clarification The vehicle is either being driven, or the block heater is plugged in, and yes, I would be using winter weight fuel. I've pretty much determined from the Titan forum that I have a faulty truck. Thanks all bill On 12/11/2016 2:28 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote: I would guess

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
U.S. Diesel standards were much stricter than Europe's for decades. I worked with Mercedes and they were troubled by the challenge.but they met it. Europe was more or less pulled along. Paul via phone > On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jostein wrote: > > Actually, Paul; > The

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Jostein
Actually, Paul; The standars for emissions have been phased in gradually, in "tiers". There's been a strong push from the car mfgs, starting at least a decade ago, to make authorities in both the EU, USA, Japan and others harmonise the timing of the phase-in. There's no more "banning" in the

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
The U.S. Diesel particulate and NOx standards effectively banned them here. Mercedes , BMW and GM have been able to meet the standards with urea injection and filters, but the tuning was somewhat crippling. Volkswagen and Audi got around it by cheating. Diesels are all but dead for cars in the

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Jostein Øksne
I would guess that Canadian fuel stations change winter diesel and summer diesel in their tanks according to public regulation, just like in the Nordic countries. Jostein Den 11. desember 2016 02.34.05 CET, skrev mike wilson : >> On 10 December 2016 at 15:35 Bill

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Jostein
Bill, A block heater is a good idea anyhow. A pre-heated engine use less fuel than a cold engine, and the interior heater will deliver warm air sooner. :-) Jostein Den 11.12.2016 16.47, skrev mike wilson: On 11 December 2016 at 12:32 David J Brooks wrote: On Sat, Dec

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
And in various European cities, there's a move to ban ALL diesel engined devices from the city .. permanently. G > On Dec 11, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: > > The trend here in India is for Diesel Cars as Diesel Fuel is 30% > Cheaper than Petrol. > And Trucks,

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread mike wilson
> On 11 December 2016 at 12:32 David J Brooks wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Bill wrote: > > > My questions all revolve around cold weather starting. > > What is considered cold for a Diesel? > > Having used diesel buses for 9

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Bill wrote: > My questions all revolve around cold weather starting. > What is considered cold for a Diesel? Having used diesel buses for 9 years answer is, it varies on the engine. I found Internationals and Cat engines would

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread John
On 12/10/2016 12:01 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 10/12/16, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: Later generations will look at us and our diesel cars like we do at the Middle Ages when people threw the content their chamber pots out into the street. European cities are so polluted

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Subash Jeyan
here in india too diesel is about 18-20 per cent cheaper than petrol and though diesel cars cost a little more initially, they are cheaper in the long run and so sell quite a bit more. given that our cities were not built for cars and that pollution/green laws are hardly enforced, it is an

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread John
Sounds to me like you have reason enough to build a heated garage. On 12/10/2016 10:35 AM, Bill wrote: A couple of months ago I spoiled myself in a major way and bought one of the new Nissan Titan diesel trucks, equipped with a 5 liter turbo Cummins engine. This is my first foray into the world

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread mike wilson
> On 10 December 2016 at 15:35 Bill wrote: > > > A couple of months ago I spoiled myself in a major way and bought one of > the new Nissan Titan diesel trucks, equipped with a 5 liter turbo > Cummins engine. This is my first foray into the world of diesel engines.

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Stanley Halpin
My previous renter in our small house next door had a big diesel pickup truck (Dodge Ram maybe) used in his landscaping work. He always plugged his block heater in, never seemed to have a problem starting even with 0°F temperatures. On the other hand, the extension cord was a messy eyesore that

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Stanley Halpin
If only everyone would adopt clean-running diesel technology like that used by VW… stan > On Dec 10, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote: > > Steve Cottrell wrote: > > Actually I agree with you Ralf. > > The problem is that back in the 1980s and 1990s, here in the

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 10.12.16 um 18:01 schrieb Steve Cottrell: The problem is that back in the 1980s and 1990s, here in the UK diesel was pushed as the 'cleaner' fuel and hence was cheaper in price than petrol. the government promoted diesel heavily and the car manufacturers followed suit by making more of them.

RE: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Malcolm Smith
Steve Cottrell wrote: Actually I agree with you Ralf. The problem is that back in the 1980s and 1990s, here in the UK diesel was pushed as the 'cleaner' fuel and hence was cheaper in price than petrol. the government promoted diesel heavily and the car manufacturers followed suit by making more

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Bob W-PDML
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38274792 Time to get rid of all of them from cities, diesel or otherwise On 10 Dec 2016, at 16:40, Ralf R Radermacher > wrote: Am 10.12.16 um 16:35 schrieb Bill: A couple of months ago I spoiled myself in a

RE: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Malcolm Smith
Steve Cottrell wrote: Not quite daily. Even so, sounds like more frequently than you. My fuel bill is roughly 600 quid a month! When I finish work in 18 months, all the kit will go, including the Landy - sigh. But I would love to build one from scratch on a galvanised chassis. It would be a 90

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 10/12/16, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: >You use yours I presume daily; nowadays mine goes out twice a week as I've >replaced car travel with cycling/walking as far as possible (parking is a >nightmare). Td5's need a lot of battery juice to initially crank them over, >and the use

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 10/12/16, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed: >Later generations will look at us and our diesel cars like we do at the >Middle Ages when people threw the content their chamber pots out into >the street. > >European cities are so polluted by this diesel pest that we're having an

RE: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Malcolm Smith
Steve Cottrell wrote: Three years! Spend a bit extra and save in the long run: I've got 2 aboard the Defender and they are amazing. I've run one completely flat and it sprang back to life and hasn't missed a beat

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 10.12.16 um 16:35 schrieb Bill: A couple of months ago I spoiled myself in a major way and bought one of the new Nissan Titan diesel trucks, equipped with a 5 liter turbo Cummins engine. Later generations will look at us and our diesel cars like we do at the Middle Ages when people threw

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 10/12/16, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: > My Land Rover has a >Td5 diesel engine, and it is very heavy on battery life, particularly over >cold winters if not used daily. They give up without warning and I replace >mine every three years. I haven't owned a petrol car in some

RE: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Malcolm Smith
Steve Cottrell wrote: On 10/12/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: >If there are any diesel wonks on the forum, your thoughts would be >appreciated. Yes but no experience of such cold operating conditions. Despite the UK's reputation of a cold dreary place, the coldest winter minima we would

Re: OT: Diesels

2016-12-10 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 10/12/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: >If there are any diesel wonks on the forum, your thoughts would be >appreciated. Yes but no experience of such cold operating conditions. Despite the UK's reputation of a cold dreary place, the coldest winter minima we would normally expect would