On 19/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:
>Personally, I don't want any more moving parts in my digital SLR. Moving
>parts wear. Wear creates dust. Dust contaminates the sensor. Keep the
>moving parts out of my SLR. The green button is an optimum solution.
It is by will alone I
: Monday,
September 19, 2005 7:21 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
George Sinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JCO -
I agree with you in concept. But, in the end, no matter how many
folks write to Pentax about their old lenses it's just not going to
as "optimum" for K/M for that reason.
He doesn't have any reasonable basis to make that kind of conclusion.
jco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:26 PM
To: pentax-discuss@p
On 19/9/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>When the ist-D first appeared there was near-unanimous agreement that
>backwards compatibility was unacceptable. Pentax then introduced the
>"green button" fix and the overwhelming majority of the most hardcore
>Pentax enthusiasts were delight
On 19/9/05, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>THIS ISNT
>JUST ABOUT A Single green button. This reveals
>Pentax true NEW terrible philosophy with regards
>to their product's long term support. The fact is they
>will drop support of any older products
>even when it wouldnt cost anything
>
> When the ist-D first appeared there was near-unanimous agreement that
> backwards compatibility was unacceptable. Pentax then introduced the
> "green button" fix and the overwhelming majority of the most hardcore
> Pentax enthusiasts were delighted. It's
> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> How might the "green button" be improved?
>
> Shel
>
>
it could be marketed to Republicans as the "destroy the environment button".
:o) <=== Lo-o-o-o-k!
Bob
> The lens cam is moving anyway so
there is
already moving
> parts and "wear dust" ( that's really comical). Green
> Button is "optimum" for K/M? Your credibility just went down
> about 10 notches in my opinion
>
> JCO
Comical or not, dust is a major p
> How might the "green button" be
improved?
>
> Shel
Call it a stop down meter button. That might be hard to put on a small camera,
but would
slow the list
traffic down a bit.:-)
Dave
m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:52 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
Personally, I don't want any more moving parts in my digital SLR. Moving
parts wear. Wear creates dust. Dust contaminates the sensor. Ke
roved utility it will provide.
That's a recent,new, and very bad development from
2003 not 1997.
JCO
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From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:16 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
JC,
First
-Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:36 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
>
>
> How might the "green button" be improved?
>
> Shel
>
>
&g
See my earlier post:
"Pentax could have had a pseudo-AE mode if they wanted to with just one
press of the green button per aperture selection if they wanted to. By
taking two measurements, one wide open, one with the aperture down, a
simple ratio could be used for all future calculations usin
Re-installation of the $5 lenscam sensor.
jco
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From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:36 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
How might the "green button" be improved?
Shel
&
How might the "green button" be improved?
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Gonz
> I'm glad Pentax implemented the green button though
> of course, but they could have done a better job of it.
It sounds like a plausible enough argument. But I could also argue the
other side as well. These parts do cost money. And the mechanical
linkage has to be carried into the lens assembly as well. So not only
do you have to add that cost to the body, but to the future lens line as
well. Pent
even know what they are, most newbies have grown up on P&S
cameras.
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From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:33 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
The point the Godfrey is trying to make is t
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:33 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
No, he doesn't seem to care about one minor issue about Pentax Product
Support. And neither does much of the list. And it's an 8 year old
issue, not a ne
Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sep 19, 2005, at 6:36 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>> Fine with me, some people cant handle the truth.
>
>No, the expression "you're in my .kill file" simply means that I'm
>not interested in responding to your ranting.
>
>My ".kill file" is conceptu
--
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:52 AM
To: PDML
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
On Sep 19, 2005, at 6:36 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Fine with me, some people cant handle the truth.
No, the expression "you're in my .kill f
cameras
always supported K/M.
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:33 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
No, he doesn't seem to care about one minor issue about Pentax Product
Suppo
On 19/9/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>My ".kill file" is conceptual: I read all the posts and ignore the
>ones I deem as being from people who are ranting foolishly.
Har! That's cheating!! ;-)
Cheers,
Cotty
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On Sep 19, 2005, at 7:10 AM, David Savage wrote:
Ultimately of course, people do one of four things:
1. Don't buy and use 'green button' cameras.
2. Buy and use green button cameras.
3. Switch to a competing brand.
4. Emigrate to Peru and live as a goat.
Mehehhehhh
How's your life as a Per
Adam Maas wrote:
I happen to be the only Pentax DSLR user I've run across in the real
world, and I bought my Pentax Film Gear knowing I was going to buy the
D.
I've met two others. Both are on the PDML.
(Yes, I know; if I'd made it to NPW '03 as planned, I'd have met several
more.)
ERNR
On Sep 19, 2005, at 6:36 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Fine with me, some people cant handle the truth.
No, the expression "you're in my .kill file" simply means that I'm
not interested in responding to your ranting.
My ".kill file" is conceptual: I read all the posts and ignore the
ones I d
pardon the hereing glitch!
-Original Message-
From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:37 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
Fine with me, some people cant handle the truth.
I never put anybody in my kill
u do, then working new and possibly failing
someday is far better than a valuable function permanenty removed
and never functioning at all...
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:27 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: R
just about a green button...
-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:21 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
George Sinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JCO -
I agree with you in concept. But, in th
the really nice
digicams being sold now for a fraction of the cost...
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:39 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
sorry, you're wrong. that's ex
er make in the future
because this is a key departure for them.
Its not just about a green button...
-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:21 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
George Sin
en aperture metering advantages DO matter.
the method with the most advantages that matter wins
and stop down metering doesn't have ANY advantages
that matter...
JCO
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From: fra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:54 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
How's your life as a Peruvian goat working out Christian?
Dave ;-)
On 9/19/05, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> Wrom: JVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBU
> >
> > Ultimately of course, people do one of four things:
> >
> > 1. Don't buy and use 'green button' cameras.
er 19, 2005 6:39 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
sorry, you're wrong. that's exactly why the low end DSLRs are selling like
hotcakes. they are selling to people upgrading from digital P&S cameras
being used every day. if they had a film camera, it
- Original Message -
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ultimately of course, people do one of four things:
1. Don't buy and use 'green button' cameras.
2. Buy and use green button cameras.
3. Switch to a competing brand.
4. Emigrate to Peru and live as a goat.
Mehehhehhh
Ch
smarter.
-Original Message-
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:16 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
On Sep 18, 2005, at 7:32 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> I CONTINUE TO RANT
Rant alone. You&#
Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>For whatever reason, probably because of certain
>competitive features, the whole cam sensor thing got dropped.
Right. They aren't going to include a feature that adds parts and
assembly costs (and introduces another electromechanical point of
failure - the pot
ng attention and not overriding the
camera.
Herb...
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From: "fra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
Fortunately, with modern metering cells this is a scenario that almost
never h
George Sinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>JCO -
>
>I agree with you in concept. But, in the end, no matter how many
>folks write to Pentax about their old lenses it's just not going to
>make any difference.
And the fact is, even on the PDML, the center of Pentax enthusiasm,
there are only 4-5 peo
Its done for convenience. You can see your shutter speed real time and can
make adjustments if its too fast/slow. Pentax could have had a pseudo-AE
mode if they wanted to with just one press of the green button per aperture
selection if they wanted to. By taking two measurements, one wide ope
Mark Erickson wrote:
My take:
reading when the lens is stopped down. Open aperture metering takes the
meter reading with the lens wide open. "Green-button metering" takes in
less light than open aperture metering. If you try to use "green-button
metering" in low light with a small lens apertu
unt for a tiny fraction
of the buyers.
Herb
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From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:06 AM
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
There is a major flaw in your argument in my opinion.
I don't
2000, Panasonic
went from zero to twice Pentax's volume sales in 2004. there is wide
expectation that they are about to enter the DSLR market next spring.
Herb
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From: "Gonz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:32 PM
Cotty wrote:
> 4. Emigrate to Peru and live as a goat.
>From the instructions on unsubscribing to PDML.
Malcolm
On 18/9/05, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Pentax used the same
>registration distance (45.5mm)
Aha!!!
45.46mm (rounding up not allowed at such tight tolerances :-)
Gotcha.
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 18/9/05, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed:
[unrelenting zealotry snipped]
I hate to say it, but the zealot is right.
FWIW, I would have liked to have seen a new mount introduced a few years
ago, to run in tandem with KAF for a period of 10 years or more (which
would then be pha
In a message dated 9/18/2005 10:17:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sep 18, 2005, at 7:32 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> I CONTINUE TO RANT
Rant alone. You're now in my .kill file.
Godfrey
=
Kill files are for whimps.
HTH, Marnie aka Doe
On Sep 18, 2005, at 7:32 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
I CONTINUE TO RANT
Rant alone. You're now in my .kill file.
Godfrey
Late last week a friend took a look at my DS. She'll be looking for a digi
around Christmas. She was quite impressed with the DS at first look -
liked the weight and feel. It's interesting to note that she'd had a
Pentax P&S film camera before, but hadn't thought at all about a Pentax
DSLR. Her
This doesn't surprise me in the least. Pentax marketing is failing, the
*ist-Ds and DL should be naturals
for this market. Why is Nikon better, the D70 is a nice enough camera
but no better for this than the Ds...
Bruce Dayton wrote:
Not picking sides at all here - I was talking to a friend
, September 19, 2005 12:08 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>I CONTINUE TO RANT because you keep missing
>my key point,
>
(etc.)
Some people may be missing your point (though by this stage I seriously
doubt it), some peop
st true newbies arent even into
SLRS
JCOC> today or even know what they are, most newbies have grown up on P&S
JCOC> cameras.
JCOC> -Original Message-
JCOC> From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
JCOC> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:33 PM
JCOC> To: pentax-disc
ew models because of lack
of the $1 pot.
jco
-Original Message-
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday,
September 18, 2005 10:11 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
JCO,
You've articulated your position clearly and at lengt
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
I CONTINUE TO RANT because you keep missing
my key point,
(etc.)
Some people may be missing your point (though by this stage I seriously
doubt it), some people apparently agree with you, and some people,
having read your scores of rants, do know exactly what you are s
scuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
The point the Godfrey is trying to make is that Pentax Marketing has a
pot of features, each one with a target market segment and a
production/retail cost associated with it. They prioritize these
features according to their market research. I
-Original Message-
From: Mark Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:14 PM
To: 'pentax-discuss'
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
Actually, Asahi Optical provided limited (not full) compatibility when they
switched from their screw mount to th
some old
incompatable mount. that is not the case
with the Pentax DSLRS and K/M lenses though...
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:22 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
J. C. O'Con
JCO -
I agree with you in concept. But, in the end, no matter how many
folks write to Pentax about their old lenses it's just not going to
make any difference.
I'm one of the guys with an old screw mount Spotmatic and a few
lenses. It served me well from 1968 through 2001 when I bought my 5n.
o
-Original Message-
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:11 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
JCO,
You've articulated your position clearly and at length. However, it
isn't going to change
ssues from now on
jco
-Original Message-
From: Mark Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:14 PM
To: 'pentax-discuss'
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
Actually, Asahi Optical provided limited (not full) compatibility when they
switched f
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Secondly while its true stop down metering CAN BE more accurate
in sufficient light but if the tolerances of the lens apertures
are kept within design parameters and the cam sensor as well , the wide
open metering can work with more than enough accuracy for even
narrow l
Actually, Asahi Optical provided limited (not full) compatibility when they
switched from their screw mount to the K mount (they abandoned diaphragm
coupling and thus lost open aperture metering capability for screw mount
lenses on K mount bodies).
Regarding your desire for full aperture coupling
ot.
jco
-Original Message-
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:11 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
JCO,
You've articulated your position clearly and at length. However, it
isn't going to c
JCO,
You've articulated your position clearly and at length. However, it
isn't going to change anything, only Pentax can change what they
decide to do. $5 worth of parts in the camera translates to a $50
bill at retail price. Pentax doesn't feel it's warranted by the user
base buying thes
Cant you guys read my posts before you make such comments about me? I
have explained repeatedly its not just the issue or K/M lenses on an
istD here that concerns me its Pentax turning point decision to no
longer support something without technical or financial CAUSE. Its
ridiculous that a camera a
On Sep 18, 2005, at 4:04 PM, Mark Erickson wrote:
On the other hand, "green-button metering"(also known as stop-down
metering)
may be more accurate than open-aperture metering because it takes
the meter
reading with the lens at the same aperture as will be used to
actually take
the picture.
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