I've found that, locally, the cost and potential (very low) quantity sales of the MZ-S
keeps it from the store shelves. (I know because I asked.)
A self-fulfilling prophecy.
Salesmen need motivation. Stores need motivation.
That requires an investment. Maybe, someday, Pentax will realize that.
Are you saying that stocks are selling out, or that cameras are not
reaching the stores?
aimcompute wrote:
> I think we'll see the same kind of sales
> pattern with the MZ-S. It's already been
> reported as "hard to find" in stores by a
> number of people on this list.
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> Well, you've sold me on one...I've decided tha
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Kent wrote:
> Actually failure in the marketplace is relative. Minolta can sell every
> Maxxum 7 they can build. They just can&#
Well, you've sold me on one...I've decided that, for my purposes, it would be an
excellent choice.
Jim
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Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:39 AM
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> Tom wrote:
>
> > Do you realize your posts are full of back-handed insults?
&g
Kent wrote:
> Actually failure in the marketplace is relative. Minolta can sell every
> Maxxum 7 they can build. They just can't meet demand and they are also still
> on the losing side of the dollar equation when you factor in R&D and
> marketing costs.
Not according to the Finacial times. I b
Tom wrote:
> Do you realize your posts are full of back-handed insults?
No.
> "All function on the MZ-S is clearly market and totally intuitive for anyone
> who can read."
Which is a fact. No person have so far claimed that he don't undersatnd where the
meter switch or drive mode switch i
like me saying you are stupid because after 6
years you still can't get the hang of using a PZ-1p.
That wouldn't be a very nice thing to say, would it?
Tom C.
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om C.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:05 PM
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> aimcompute wrote:
>
> > Oh shutup Pal,
>
>
> Why should he shut up? He makes perfe
Tom wrote:
> OK. Tell me then... Pentax spends millions of dollars designing an
> instrument and then doesn't hope to sell them in large volumes? We're not
> talking about Ferraris and Lamborghinis here. We're talking about something
> that a significant portion of the market could obtain.
Th
What???
Pal wrote:
>
> The MZ-S isn't designed to be sold in large volumes. Its a fine camera
more in common wit the LX and the MX.
>
OK. Tell me then... Pentax spends millions of dollars designing an
instrument and then doesn't hope to sell them in large volumes? We're not
talking about Ferr
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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 9:04 PM
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 12/26/2001 6:06:42 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL
John wrote:
> And come on guys - is the MZ-S really all that well built?
Yes. The MZ-S is extremely well built. It will withstand impact far better than the
LX. In addition, it's a workhorse with durable metal parts. It also built with
precision and sports a highly precise film transport.
Bruce wrote:
> I suspect that the most that can be said is the PZ-1p was not as
> successful as any of us would have liked. How successful the MZ-S
> will be remains to be seen.
The MZ-S isn't designed to be sold in large volumes. Its a fine camera more in common
wit the LX and the MX.
> Jo
In a message dated 12/26/2001 11:05:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 12/26/2001 6:06:42 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >>And part because it looks like an ungainly brick.
> >
> > H
>spiffs
I take it that a 'spiff' is some sort of perk? It's not in my sland
repertoire unfortunately...
Cheers,
Cotty
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> But both are lower than the 6x7 on the food chain.
> HAR!!
> William Robb
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> From: David Brooks [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> Rob.How recently did Pentax stop production of the
> (But the MX must take second place to the LX.)
>
> Bob
But both are lower than the 6x7 on the food chain.
HAR!!
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John wrote:
> ...and some of us regret replacing the top model PZ1p with the
> mid-range MZ-S. In my opinion, history will judge the MZ-S as an
> overpriced yuppie-pretending-to-be-artist's toy, much like the Contax
> G1 or N1.
> I love this quote from a G1 reviewer, which in my mind also sums
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:51:48 +0100, you wrote:
>Some of us actually celebrated the demise of the Z-1p
...and some of us regret replacing the top model PZ1p with the
mid-range MZ-S. In my opinion, history will judge the MZ-S as an
overpriced yuppie-pretending-to-be-artist's toy, much like the Con
In a message dated 12/26/2001 6:06:42 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
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> And part because it looks like an ungainly brick.
>
> Bob
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Have you taken the trouble to look closely at the competition?
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John,
I like my PZ-1. I picked up a PZ-1p as some of the pdml members moved up to
the new MZ-S's and think it is an even better camera.
The PZ-1 has a totally different feel and operation from the Super Program
that I used extensively before it. The PZ-1p has a totally different feel
and o
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:04:53 -0500, you wrote:
> When I heard the news
>that the PZ-1p was officially out of production, I, however, silently drank
>some homemade chianti.
... and I, completely sober and thoughtful, went out and bought a new
PZ1p (number three) to store away for the future. Si
aimcompute wrote:
> Oh shutup Pal,
Why should he shut up? He makes perfect sense on, this issue at least.
> Not only many of us, but other camera reviewers don't agree with you.
These delusions tend to attract crowds. :)
I share Pal's views but shut up about the Z1/Z1-p a long time ago,
wendy beard wrote:
> At 16:04 26-12-2001 -0500, Tom C. wrote:
> I have never, ever seen a (P)Z-1 or (P)Z1-p in the flesh and I've been
> in a lot of camera shops in my time!
Lucky you, :)
Bob
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> At 16:04 26-12-2001 -0500, Tom C. wrote:
> >The fact it didn't do well m
>I should say definitely some sort of marketing failure.
>I have never, ever seen a (P)Z-1 or (P)Z1-p in the flesh and I've been in a
>lot of camera shops in my time!
IMO Pentax should gave away at least one Z-1/Z-1p to every local retailers
in the 1st place for promotional purpose. :)
regards
ng other brands
is higher than that of selling a Pentax.It seems like a deliberate
attempt on the salesperson's part not to sell the camera.
Tom C.
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At 16:04 26-12-2001 -0500, Tom C. wrote:
>The fact it didn't do well may be part marketing, part Nikon/Canon mentality
>of the consumer-masses.
I should say definitely some sort of marketing failure.
I have never, ever seen a (P)Z-1 or (P)Z1-p in the flesh and I've been in a
lot of camera shops
ne.
The fact it didn't do well may be part marketing, part Nikon/Canon mentality
of the consumer-masses.
Tom C.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: PZ-1p re
I just happen to have a PZ-1p for sale. It has the
Golden Section screen installed and the Grip Strap
attached. $300 plus shipping.
Doug
At 12:08 PM 12/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
I'm not sure of the exact date when production ceased.
Paal Jensen mentioned it a while back. It's hard to
find t
but if you are leaning toward the
MZ-5n, you probably have a couple years before they dry up.
Rob
>Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:53:56 -0500
>From: "David Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Re: PZ-1p review
>
>Rob.How recently did Pentax stop production of the P
Sadly, the PZ-1p wasn't even loved by Pentaxers in general - and
certainly
not the way LX was. The demise of the LX was honored with a long
thread of
lavish toasts; the PZ-1p died without such honor. When I heard the
news
that the PZ-1p was officially out of production, I, however, silently
dran
Rob.How recently did Pentax stop production of the PZ-1p??
I'm saving up for eithr the MZ5n or PZ-1p,and i see the 5n still for
sale in our big shops but have not realy noticed if the have any 1p's on the
shelf.
Thanks
Dave
Sadly, the PZ-1p wasn't even loved by Pentaxers in general - and cer
Lately, PHOTOgraphic has been giving some belated credit to the PZ-1p. They
even listed it in the last issue as one of their five favorite cameras under
$500, which I found surprising.
I personally love the PZ-1p and can't really imagine a better all-around
camera. The ergonomics, as has alr
Gary L. Murphy wrote:
> I guess, like people, some objects are more photogenic than others, and the
> (P)Z-1p is one example of this...
The Z-1p looks a lot better without that ugly 28-80 lens you see in most of the
pictures.
Cheers,
- Dave
David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
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Hyper-program modes sound v-e-r-y nice, and "snap-in focus" and the
optional "golden section finder screen" are making me more than a little
drooly. At the moment, my finances could probably swing a "Pentax Spit-Bib
(size adult)".
I'm happy with my ZX-5n... I'm happy with my ZX-5n... I'm happy wi
>I could not agree more. When I first saw a picture of the PZ-1p I had the
>same first impressions. "Man, who
>would ever be caught out with a camera that looked like that?" After I went
>to the camera store and saw it "in
>person" and held it, it was "love" at first sight. I've never looked bac
On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:54:49 -0700, aimcompute wrote:
>I haven't held the MZ-S, but I have never held a camera that felt better in
>the hand than a PZ-1p.
>To use it is to love it.
Tom,
I could not agree more. When I first saw a picture of the PZ-1p I had the same first
impressions. "Man, who
Hi Dan,
IMO, the PZ-1p is a real sleeper of a camera. It was never pushed by most
camera salesman. It basically had all the specs of an N8008s when it came
out, + a built-in flash. It still is close to $750 < a N90s with a flash.
The light up LCD is great at night, just wish you could toggle i
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Subject: Odp: PZ-1p review
>>
>
> > I thought the Nikon F's were ugly.
>
> They are, indeed:)) Especially F5, F4 and F3:))
Surely not the F3, with it's stylish red pinstriping!!!
L8R
Bill
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In a message dated 12/23/2001 7:51:07 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I think the PZ1p's downfall is simple. It is not a photogenic camera.
> In actual use, it is beautiful, but catalog-size photos of it are
> quite ugly. Who the heck would give a second look at an ugly
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 21:09:35 -0600, you wrote:
>Just ran across this
>
>http://www.photographic.com/showarchives.cgi?93:3
>
>and found it very interesting. It reviews the PZ-1p, a camera I've heard
>much about on the list, but never seen. Makes me a little envious,
>actually.
>
I think the PZ1p'
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