RE: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-10 Thread Bob W
I can't remember whether you had an E-3 or went straight from the E-1 to the E-5. If you had an E-3, do you think the E-5 has major advantages over it? I was planning to buy an E-3 when the E-5 came out, to take advantage of remainder pricing, etc. But the more I looked at it, the more

Re: Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-09 Thread Jens
Yes. The digital backs for Hasselblad was made by a Danich company, that did merge with Hasselblad (Sweden) a few years back. I guess the scanners came from the very same company - which now is a part of the Hasselblad concern. Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-09 Thread Jens
Yes, I quite happy with the FA* 2.8 28-70mm AL. It acturally outperforms many of my primes, except maybe my Limited lenses such as the 43mm and 77mm - and of cource my old 1.8 85mm, whic is the best portrait lens I've had so far. I do understand now, thanks to the answers from PDML members,

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I occasionally get nostalgic and think I want to work with film again. Then I shoot a roll of film, have it processed, and work through the scanning business. After that, and after I look at the photos the process creates, I put the film camera away until the next time I feel nostalgic. Going

RE: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-09 Thread Bob W
I occasionally get nostalgic and think I want to work with film again. Then I shoot a roll of film, have it processed, and work through the scanning business. After that, and after I look at the photos the process creates, I put the film camera away until the next time I feel nostalgic.

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-09 Thread Adam Maas
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:13 AM, Gasha cir...@konts.lv wrote: Pentax 67 takes a lot more time to shoot. If you walk around with your friens, you can shoot something with digital SLR. In contrast, when you walk with Pentax 67 (and tripod), you cannot take your friends with you :) Gasha

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-09 Thread Adam Maas
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: I occasionally get nostalgic and think I want to work with film again. Then I shoot a roll of film, have it processed, and work through the scanning business. After that, and after I look at the photos the process

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I'll be going for a walk soon and will carry ... the Olympus E-5. ... I can't remember whether you had an E-3 or went straight from the E-1 to the E-5. If you had an E-3, do you think the E-5 has major advantages over it? I was

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-03 Thread eckinator
2011/1/2 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: I frequently miss shooting with the 645Nii, but never get around to actually loading it with film. Let me know when the dust gets too thick to manage ]=) Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-03 Thread Gasha
Pentax 67 takes a lot more time to shoot. If you walk around with your friens, you can shoot something with digital SLR. In contrast, when you walk with Pentax 67 (and tripod), you cannot take your friends with you :) Gasha Jens wrote: Good point Godfrey. To me is more an economical

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-03 Thread eckinator
Jens wrote: But more important: 2. I just can't seem to learn how to compose square images Have you considered composing in portrait orientation? Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/1/11, eckinator, discombobulated, unleashed: Have you considered composing in portrait orientation? Filthy bugger!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-03 Thread Steven Desjardins
It's definitely not legal in Alabama. It may go by county in VA. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:12 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/2/2011 1:32 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Try shooting the K7 through a pair of pantyhose. That's not legal in Virginia.  ;-) You sure you

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-03 Thread Jens
He, he... I meant to say 6x6 isn't the format for me. I want a rectangular viewfinder and rectangular images - most of the time. Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Jan 3, 2011 12:21 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Jens wrote: But more

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-02 Thread Jens
Good point Godfrey. To me is more an economical issue. I own a large collection of Pentacon Six /Carl Zeiss Jena/Schneider Kreutznach lenses. I got this 10-15 years ago (ebay) after selling my Rolleiflex (man, was that great), since I needed interchangeable lenses. The Pentacon Six really does

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-02 Thread Jens
Some great shots there, Mark. I see you're still (?) using the MZ-S. I got mine from a fellow PDML member. I do intend to keep it. I recenly bought a K2. Great camera. Like a K1000 with an Auto Exposure option. Still have one Spotmatic, a MX and a ME Super. (Now I Just miss a Super A (one of the

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-02 Thread Jens
They still make imacon scanners (I believe they were Danish actually)? Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Jan 1, 2011 20:32 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Jens wrote: I'm not sure Paul, but since it a studio recording

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-02 Thread John Sessoms
From: Jens Thank you all for you rinterest in responding and answering my question. I have done some samll tests, that didin't turn out too well. But I was using old film and a questionable lab for developing. My result is shown at flickr. I photographed a sitting girl (in full figure) filling

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-02 Thread AlunFoto
2010/12/31 J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net: MF or LF on a light table rules! Give me a side by side comparson of MF film and a digital capture on your light table, and I might believe you. :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-02 Thread AlunFoto
2011/1/2 Jens p...@planfoto.dk: They still make imacon scanners  (I believe they were Danish actually)? Jens The Imacon scanners are now sold as Hasselblad Flextight scanners. They're more expensive than a Pentax 645D by good margin. I'm sure the Pentax 67 is a wonderful tool for acquiring

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-02 Thread Igor Roshchin
Sun Jan 2 09:58:35 CST 2011 John Sessoms wrote: From: Jens of selling it) I need results that show, that the 67 delivers reslults re-sluts? ;-) Try shooting the K7 through a pair of pantyhose. That will impose a I see now why such a suggestion was given. :-) :-) Cheers, Igor

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-02 Thread Steven Desjardins
Try shooting the K7 through a pair of pantyhose. That's not legal in Virginia. ;-) On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:58 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Jens Thank you all for you rinterest in responding and answering my question. I have done some samll tests, that didin't turn

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-02 Thread Jack Davis
Sides, you'd have to take them off to do that..I'm guessing here, of course! Jack --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-02 Thread P. J. Alling
On 1/2/2011 1:32 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Try shooting the K7 through a pair of pantyhose. That's not legal in Virginia. ;-) You sure you mean Virginia. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:58 AM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Jens Thank you all for you rinterest in

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-01 Thread John Sessoms
I keep checking in on 'em from time to time, but so far the only 4x5 film they've got is some expired Type 57. It looks like they're concentrating on films for the SX-70 type cameras so far. Supposedly they've made an 20x24 SX-70 type process film that works in the big Polaroid camera, and

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-01 Thread Jens
Thank you all for you rinterest in responding and answering my question. I have done some samll tests, that didin't turn out too well. But I was using old film and a questionable lab for developing. My result is shown at flickr. I photographed a sitting girl (in full figure) filling out the frame

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-01 Thread paul stenquist
I'm surprised the K7 pic is as sharp as it is, given that it was shot at f13, where you're going to get a lot of diffusion. Try it at f5.6 or so. What stop did you shoot the 6x7 pic at. And what lens. You list an 80/2.8. I assume you mean the 90/2.8? Paul On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Jens

Re: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-01 Thread Jens
I'm not sure Paul, but since it a studio recording done at appr. the same time, I guess it the same aperture - F 13 or perhaps F11. Next time I shall: 1. Make sure the conditions are very close to being exactly the same. 2. Use new 120 film (Kodak Ektar 100 or Fuji Astia 100) 3. Use a pro-lab

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-01 Thread paul stenquist
On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Jens wrote: I'm not sure Paul, but since it a studio recording done at appr. the same time, I guess it the same aperture - F 13 or perhaps F11. Next time I shall: 1. Make sure the conditions are very close to being exactly the same. 2. Use new 120 film

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2011-01-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 1/1/2011 9:07 PM, Jens wrote: In my small, not too well done ,test it seems that the K-7 is doing rather well. In order to convince myself, that I should keep on using the 67 (insted of selling it) I need results that show, that the 67 delivers reslults that are superior to those of the K-7.

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jens, No tests here, but the film is the same and the exposed area is 4X+ the size of 35mm. I would expect 4X the size of the K-5 or K-7 files is what you'd need. I don't think lens resolution is a problem. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Jens p...@planfoto.dk wrote: Hello list

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
There is no fair resolution comparison because the systems are so different. There is chemical information on a larger negative wich cannot be duplicated on digital because it is simply not present. Likewise, digital information takes to enlargement much better than does film (in most

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Dec 31, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Jens, No tests here, but the film is the same and the exposed area is 4X+ the size of 35mm. I would expect 4X the size of the K-5 or K-7 files is what you'd need. I don't think lens resolution is a problem. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
There is no sensible, direct translation of film acutance to digital resolution. I have watched people quoting ppi, sensor resolution, etc etc for years. It's all horsepucky. The resolution of film is dependent on many factors: - film speed - how it is exposed - how it is processed ... gamma is

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Godfrey, Along the same lines as your commentary... I've loved 35mm slides and projected images since I first got to borrow my dad's Retina IIIc. The acutance in a 35mm Kodachrome image is just wonderful. As a consumer, early digital could make acceptable 4x6 prints. But the last couple of

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:44 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Godfrey, Along the same lines as your commentary... I've loved 35mm slides and projected images since I first got to borrow my dad's Retina IIIc. The acutance in a 35mm Kodachrome image is just wonderful. As a consumer, early digital

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Boris Liberman
I am with Collin here. It is really a question without an answer. I mean - it just depends. If you have a drum scanner nearby with highly trained operator, then you can produce amazing amount of information and tremendous enlargements from your 6x7 negative. For the references, several years

RE: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread J.C. O'Connell
: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:44 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital Godfrey, Along the same lines as your commentary... I've loved 35mm slides and projected

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My first 'serious' camera was a 1949 Rolleiflex that my grandfather let me use in 1967-1968. I used medium format cameras alongside my 35mm and digital equipment until I finally sold all of it just last year. I'm well aware of what medium (and large) format transparencies look like on a light

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thinking about it further, the real and only reason to shoot with Medium Format film today is, for me, to work with the very different coupling of Field of View and Depth of Field it affords compared to small-format (FourThirds, APS-C and so-called full frame) digital cameras. -- Godfrey  

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 12/31/2010 7:30 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Thinking about it further, the real and only reason to shoot with Medium Format film today is, for me, to work with the very different coupling of Field of View and Depth of Field it affords compared to small-format (FourThirds, APS-C and so-called

RE: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread John Sessoms
From: J.C. O'Connell ever seen an 8x10 fujichrome on a light table? absolutely mindblowing image quality. It was discontinued about the time I was born, but Kodachrome used to be available as sheet film. I've seen 8x10 Kodachrome that just knocked my eyes out. About the best I've been

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Godfrey, We've met and Tanja's recent thread on ages should remind you. I was shooting prints before you were a 'twinkle in your parent's eyes. Fine arts exhibitions I don't know much about, but I spent 10 years with a major printer and publisher and understand commercial printing. And believe me,

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Your vast Age is irrelevant. ;-) My point was that I'm very familiar with how medium format film looks and how I prefer to view photographs, and I have many years of experience in making photographs with medium format cameras and media. Looking at stuff on a light table is about the most

RE: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread J.C. O'Connell
] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 2:49 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital Your vast Age is irrelevant. ;-) My point was that I'm very familiar with how medium format film looks and how I prefer to view

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread P. J. Alling
The Impossible Project is supposedly working on reincarnating 4x5 and 8x10 Poloroid sheet films. On 12/31/2010 1:15 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: J.C. O'Connell ever seen an 8x10 fujichrome on a light table? absolutely mindblowing image quality. It was discontinued about the time I was

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Mark Roberts
Jens wrote: Hello list I'm getting into photographing with Pentax 67. BTW: I just got the SMC 1:4 165 mm Leaf Shutter lens for studio work. Nice lens :-). Has anyone done tests, showing the resolution etc. of 6x7 film images compared to digital 14-15 Mp images, please? I've never done any

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread paul stenquist
I would like that. I have a 4x5 polaroid back for my speed graphic. The pics were actually 3 1/2 x 41/2, if I recall. Fun, but expensive. Paul On Dec 31, 2010, at 3:51 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: The Impossible Project is supposedly working on reincarnating 4x5 and 8x10 Poloroid sheet films.

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 12/31/2010 8:58 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I was shooting prints before you were a 'twinkle in your parent's eyes. Mark! Gee, that's an expression I should memorize... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 12/31/2010 10:23 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: MF or LF on a light table rules! I remember light table reviewing some of the Jostein's fine 645 slides back in 2004. It was literally an eye-opening experience. You will have to believe me that Jostein was a darn good shooter 6 years ago. He

Re: Pentax 67 resolution compared to 15 MP Digital

2010-12-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris, It's an old saying in English, designed to keep the young from getting too pompous about how smart they are. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/31/2010 8:58 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I was shooting prints before you were a