Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

Dave, Just in case you want to upgrade, you can still do that for free for yet another old (but newer than yours) version, - CS2: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/how-to-get-photoshop-for-free/ I believe it still works... (YMMV) Igor David J Brooks Sat, 31 Oct 2015 07:00:31 -0700

Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

I didn't really use CS 4 for much of anything, just to open an occasional InDesign doc. I was using Acrobat however, and it worked fine. I have PS 6, which I use daily, so I've been well covered for my photo work. But I need Acrobat for some client work, so I may have to buy the newest version.

Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 08:04, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Thanks Godfrey. Then I should be good to go with the Apple software. I > have been using Pages from time to time because Word got flakey with the > first release of 10.11 but updates seem to have corrected it. Acrobat is > $450. Not a good

Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

Thanks Godfrey. Then I should be good to go with the Apple software. I have been using Pages from time to time because Word got flakey with the first release of 10.11 but updates seem to have corrected it. Acrobat is $450. Not a good value. Paul > On Oct 31, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Godfrey

Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

Well another reason I have to keep from moving off of WinXP for my photo machine is that I'm using CS2. Yea, I know, but, I don't want to pay the Adobe Tax. My development machine is running Win7, which allows me to do some limited development for Windows 8, (with it's default content

Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

You can certainly take a bunch of JPEGs, and other image files, and output them into a multi-page PDF using Automator and Preview. I do that at work all the time. Between Pages, Keynote, Numbers, Preview, and Automator, my need for the Adobe Creative suite has been reduced down to a very

Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

I'm still using CS .:-) Dave On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > My new computer is running OS 10.11. I discovered today, and Adobe confirmed, > that the CS4 suite software is incompatible with the latest OS. My Photoshop > 6 works fine, and thats

Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

That stinks. I'm glad to say that CS5 is working fine for me on 10.11. Cheers, Dave > On Oct 31, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > My new computer is running OS 10.11. I discovered today, and Adobe confirmed, > that the CS4 suite software is incompatible

Re: Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

CS4 officially went unsupported (and wonky) on OS X about Lion or Mountain Lion introduction time. That's several years ago! I'm amazed you were still running it, Paul. I have CS5.1, which still seems usable on El Capitan. I've hardly used it, however. I've geared most of my work to be either

Warning for Mac users with Old PhotoShop versions

My new computer is running OS 10.11. I discovered today, and Adobe confirmed, that the CS4 suite software is incompatible with the latest OS. My Photoshop 6 works fine, and thats the software I use most often, but I do occasionally need InDesign and frequently use Adobe Acrobat Pro. I’m now

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

On 2/9/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: Absolutely: it can and does. As an electronics hardware designer I've witnessed it all, and in my experience hardware fails however it damn well chooses. Update. Hoiked out the HDD from the dodgy PowerBook G4 and just before, while I was

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

On 9/2/2013 6:22 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2013-09-02 13:12 John wrote Hardware problems should appear when the unit gets warm and go away when it cools down. An intermittent hardware problem that GOES AWAY when the unit warms up just doesn't sound right to me. when we're talking about

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

On 1/9/13, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed: i don't know of a common such glitch with that model, but my first Intel Mac, a 2.17GHz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro, died a slow death from GPU troubles; apparently there are bad solder joints that are stressed by thermal expansion; i farmed the

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

Hardware problems should appear when the unit gets warm and go away when it cools down. An intermittent hardware problem that GOES AWAY when the unit warms up just doesn't sound right to me. On 9/2/2013 4:03 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 1/9/13, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed: i

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

on 2013-09-02 13:12 John wrote Hardware problems should appear when the unit gets warm and go away when it cools down. An intermittent hardware problem that GOES AWAY when the unit warms up just doesn't sound right to me. when we're talking about electrical connections under expansion and

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 6:22 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2013-09-02 13:12 John wrote Hardware problems should appear when the unit gets warm and go away when it cools down. An intermittent hardware problem that GOES AWAY when the unit warms up just doesn't sound right to

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

Well, I've resolved the situation partially. It was time for me to upgrade my MacBook Pro to a newer model anyway (and pass on my 2006 MBP to Alma) so I've managed to get a 2010 MBP 2.53 (8GB RAM) with the hi-res anti-glare screen in mint condition boxed for 785 GBP. I've ordered a 250GB SSD for

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

On 1 Sep 2013, at 12:47, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: [...] I'm leaning to a GPU hardward glitch, maybe? More research needed which I will do this afternoon. Translation: it's time to sacrifice a chicken. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

on 2013-09-01 5:47 Steve Cottrell wrote I'm leaning to a GPU hardward glitch, maybe? i don't know of a common such glitch with that model, but my first Intel Mac, a 2.17GHz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro, died a slow death from GPU troubles; apparently there are bad solder joints that are stressed

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

On 2 September 2013 11:53, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: i don't know of a common such glitch with that model, but my first Intel Mac, a 2.17GHz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro, died a slow death from GPU troubles; apparently there are bad solder joints that are stressed by thermal expansion;

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users - update

On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Lots of laptops of various brands had similar heat related GPU problems in this tech era, I think that they had unrealistic expectations of the performance of the ball grid arrays used to connect the chips to the beards.

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

On 28/8/13, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed: try a restart with command-option-P-R (all four keys) held down; this resets the PRAM, which may hold an errant display setting First thing I tried! Also reset the PMU - all to no avail. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast,

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

On 28/8/13, Stan Halpin, discombobulated, unleashed: Screen-brightness key on the keyboard: does that affect the situation? Yup. Screen brightness increases, except the screen is dark. It just gets a little less darker. The brightness of the apple logo on the other side increases correctly, so

OT - silly question for advanced mac users

Mrs has an old Powerbook G4 and looks like the inverter has died, backlight okay. I'm cloning her stuff (via target disk mode) onto an external HD so she can boot up in her little world on another machine while I get a new board in and swap it out. I'm lazy - I know I can hook up an external

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 08:20:52PM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote: Mrs has an old Powerbook G4 and looks like the inverter has died, backlight okay. I'm cloning her stuff (via target disk mode) onto an external HD so she can boot up in her little world on another machine while I get a new board

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

On 28/8/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: Which powerbook? I've got a 12 that I love, but it's gotten to the point that it no longer has the computation horsepower to play iTunes without glitching (!?). It's a 15 incher A1186 that we bought off Godders a couple of years ago (IIRC)

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

Steve, as I understand it, when a Mac is in Target Disk mode it's running off code in the boot ROM and isn't running an OS at all. So it's single-tasking and there's no way to get it to do anything else; probably just as well. Larry's suggestion of looking up the model number or serial is

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

Bruce has it right. In target disk mode, there is only the base chipset to make the drive available running. Everything else has been bypassed. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408.431.4601 cell On Aug 28, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

on 2013-08-28 13:20 Steve Cottrell wrote but for the sake of argument and just to see if it is doable, while her sick mac is in target disk mode, is there any way to view the specs of her actual machine? no; but there may be enough info in the model # etc. to look it up and get the part info;

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

on 2013-08-28 13:41 Steve Cottrell wrote It's a 15 incher A1186 typo? that's a Mac Pro -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

On 28/8/13, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Bruce has it right. In target disk mode, there is only the base chipset to make the drive available running. Everything else has been bypassed. Thanks guys. I plugged up an external display via DVI. Ext display shows desktop

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

On 28/8/13, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed: typo? that's a Mac Pro oops typo. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

On 28/8/13, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed: I plugged up an external display via DVI. Ext display shows desktop background - so need to turn on mirroring - not difficult to do despite Powerbook screen blank - keyboard shortcut of Command+F1... ...and up comes the desktop on the

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 28/8/13, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed: I plugged up an external display via DVI. Ext display shows desktop background - so need to turn on mirroring - not difficult to do despite Powerbook screen blank - keyboard

Re: OT - silly question for advanced mac users

on 2013-08-28 15:47 Stan Halpin wrote On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: Backlight is on, dark screen but the mac is outputting 'dark' to the screen. Logic board? could be. Screen-brightness key on the keyboard: does that affect the situation? try a restart with

Re: OT: A question for mac users

On Sep 14, 2011, at 21:55, steve harley wrote: without getting too detailed, i understand the problem with Office 2008 is that the _installer_ is PowerPC, but if it's already installed and you upgrade to Lion, it will run, though there are some issues That is just funny. Srsly,

Re: OT: A question for mac users

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Sep 14, 2011, at 21:55, steve harley wrote: without getting too detailed, i understand the problem with Office 2008 is that the _installer_ is PowerPC, but if it's already installed and you upgrade to Lion, it

Re: OT: A question for mac users

On 11-09-15 9:58 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com wrote: On Sep 14, 2011, at 21:55, steve harley wrote: without getting too detailed, i understand the problem with Office 2008 is that the _installer_ is PowerPC, but if it's already

Re: OT: A question for mac users

On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:02, Bruce Walker wrote: On 11-09-15 9:58 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com wrote: On Sep 14, 2011, at 21:55, steve harley wrote: without getting too detailed, i understand the problem with Office 2008 is that

Re: OT: A question for mac users

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Yes, having installed software (Office for Mac 2008) be universal-binary, but the installer itself NOT be universal-binary was a dumbtastic decision. This happens because even a software giant like Microsoft often buys

OT: A question for mac users

Is there a version of Microsoft Office that runs under OSX Lion? I don't think I want to fool around with alternatives that might not show all the markups and comments in a highly modified docx file. It's too critical to my work for guessing. I'm currently running Office 2008 under Snow

Re: OT: A question for mac users

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Is there a version of Microsoft Office that runs under OSX Lion? I don't think I want to fool around with alternatives that might not show all the markups and comments in a highly modified docx file. It's too

Re: OT: A question for mac users

on 2011-09-14 20:23 Paul Stenquist wrote Is there a version of Microsoft Office that runs under OSX Lion? I don't think I want to fool around with alternatives that might not show all the markups and comments in a highly modified docx file. It's too critical to my work for guessing. I'm

Re: OT: A question for mac users

On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Is there a version of Microsoft Office that runs under OSX Lion? I don't think I want to fool around with alternatives that might not show all the markups and comments in a highly modified docx file. It's too critical to my work for

Re: OT: A question for mac users

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Is there a version of Microsoft Office that runs under OSX Lion? I don't think I want to fool around with alternatives that might not show all the markups and comments in a highly modified docx file. It's too

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 19, 2011, at 3:56 PM, steve harley wrote: i would look for a local ISP that offers ADSL over the telephone provider's network (i believe traditional copper-wire pairs are required to be available to other providers, but fiber optic is not); i have such an arrangement in Denver --

Re: OT discussion of mail and philosophy (was: re: OT Mac users only)

On 3/16/2011 10:01 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Mar 16, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: You're conflating temporal linearity and topicality. Mark! Double Mark! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: OT Mac users only

From: Eric Weir On Mar 17, 2011, at 1:31 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Less than you would have gotten from BellSouth ... which was ZIP Who do you recommend in the South? I migrated to Bellsouth from Mindspring/Earthlink after their shipped their vaunted customer service offshore. I can't

Re: OT Mac users only

On 2011-03-19 07:05 , John Sessoms wrote: From: Eric Weir Who do you recommend in the South? I migrated to Bellsouth from Mindspring/Earthlink after their shipped their vaunted customer service offshore. I can't recommend anyone. There is no ISP that I'm aware of who offers good customer

Re: OT Mac users only

From: Eric Weir On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Cotty wrote: On 16/3/11, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: My needs are pretty basic and simple, though. Eric, we should have a drink sometime. Gosh, Cotty. I don't know what to say. Do you think it might solve my problems with Mail?

Re: OT Mac users only

From: Eric Weir On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Your service provider is bellsouth.com. Talk to them. Thanks, Godfrey. Bellsouth doesn't exist anymore. It was bought out by ATT several years ago. I'll see if I can get any help from them. Less than you would have

Re: OT Mac users only

On 3/17/2011 1:31 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Eric Weir On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Your service provider is bellsouth.com. Talk to them. Thanks, Godfrey. Bellsouth doesn't exist anymore. It was bought out by ATT several years ago. I'll see if I can get any

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 17, 2011, at 1:31 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Less than you would have gotten from BellSouth ... which was ZIP Who do you recommend in the South? I migrated to Bellsouth from Mindspring/Earthlink after their shipped their vaunted customer service offshore.

Re: OT Mac users only

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: that's not a hierarchy, it's just a bunch, and a bunch that's sorted by time, instead of which messages replied to which; it's not really nested at all because the first item is a psuedo-item that changes depending which

Re: OT Mac users only

On 15/3/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I've had this sort of stall and difficulties with accessing a send server happen from time to time. It has *always* resolved to be a problem at the server, nothing that Mail can do about it. I use Powermail on a Mac and it sometimes

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 15, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I've had this sort of stall and difficulties with accessing a send server happen from time to time. It has *always* resolved to be a problem at the server, nothing that Mail can do about it. That gives me hope. On my system this is so

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 15, 2011, at 5:39 PM, steve harley wrote: i don't know about David, but i dislike certain simplifications Apple has applied in Mail: - it doesn't display threads hierarchically, - it can't be stopped from marking messages as read, - it doesn't display what folders have new mail

Re: OT Mac users only

On 2011-03-16 11:12 , Eric Weir wrote: I'm very happy with it. Hardly anything I'd like, except maybe tagging of messages. there's at least one plug-in for tagging messages in Mail: http://www.indev.ca/MailTags.html tags (a la Mac OS labels) are built-into Thunderbird, where i use them a

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 15, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Did you learn about tcpdump or Wireshark during your year of living Linuxly? You could inspect a packet trace of the email transfer to see if some other weirdness is going on. Nope, not familiar with those. I should've asked Godfrey how

Re: OT Mac users only

On 2011-03-16 00:34 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, steve harleyp...@paper-ape.com wrote: that's not a hierarchy, it's just a bunch, and a bunch that's sorted by time, instead of which messages replied to which; it's not really nested at all because the first item is

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 1:21 PM, steve harley wrote: in Mail, no (unless you can find a plug-in); the standard workaround is to bcc yourself and set up filters to catch those bcc's, but you'll also have a copy in Sent; several other email clients, such as Thunderbird, have an explicit option

Re: OT Mac users only

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: I guess it's not working afterall. It has started hanging up again.

Re: OT Mac users only

I called my service provider and determined through testing that they had a problem. They fixed it promptly. ;-) On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Mar 15, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Did you learn about tcpdump or Wireshark during your year

Re: OT Mac users only

On 11-03-16 1:22 PM, Eric Weir wrote: On Mar 15, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Did you learn about tcpdump or Wireshark during your year of living Linuxly? You could inspect a packet trace of the email transfer to see if some other weirdness is going on. Nope, not familiar with

OT discussion of mail and philosophy (was: re: OT Mac users only)

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:23 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: Mail isn't naturally multi-threaded. It's not a discussion, it's a timeline. of course it is a discussion, and the timeline approach fails as the discussion branches I disagree. a beauty of email is that the

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I called my service provider and determined through testing that they had a problem. They fixed it promptly. ;-) Thanks, Godfrey. I'll call mine. By chance was yours ATT?

Re: OT discussion of mail and philosophy (was: re: OT Mac users only)

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: When a message-response thread goes non-linear, people should change the subject to indicate that it is off on a different topic. As I just did. Otherwise the whole point of a mail thread becomes irrelevant. You're

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: It's possible to set up an MTA (eg sendmail, or better yet, Postfix) on your workstation. Macs come with Postfix installed, but disabled by default. It's not hard to enable it. It is a little tricky to do all the configuration needed to

Re: OT discussion of mail and philosophy (was: re: OT Mac users only)

On Mar 16, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: When a message-response thread goes non-linear, people should change the subject to indicate that it is off on a different topic. As I just did. Otherwise the whole

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 1:21 PM, steve harley wrote: there's at least one plug-in for tagging messages in Mail: http://www.indev.ca/MailTags.html Thanks Steve. That link led me to another one [ Tags http://www.gravityapps.com/tags/index.html ] that tags across many applications as well as

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:21 , steve harley wrote: On 2011-03-16 11:12 , Eric Weir wrote: I'm very happy with it. Hardly anything I'd like, except maybe tagging of messages. there's at least one plug-in for tagging messages in Mail: http://www.indev.ca/MailTags.html tags (a la Mac OS

Re: OT Mac users only

It is counterproductive to produce a software or hardware commodity to meet the needs of everyone who might use them. If you don't like the way MAIL behaves, adapt, or go elsewhere for your solution. DON'T whine about it on PDML. On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:23 , steve harley wrote: On 2011-03-16

Re: OT Mac users only

On 16/3/11, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: My needs are pretty basic and simple, though. Eric, we should have a drink sometime. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Cotty wrote: On 16/3/11, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: My needs are pretty basic and simple, though. Eric, we should have a drink sometime. That might be the smoothest pickup line I've seen on this list since I joined. -- Larry Colen

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: If your Sent folder has a triangle next to it, as mine does, clicking on it will reveal a SENT folder for each of your accounts. Guess I don't qualify as a power user, Joseph. I have only one account.

Re: OT Mac users only

On 2011-03-16 14:07 , Joseph McAllister wrote: If your Sent folder has a triangle next to it, as mine does, clicking on it will reveal a SENT folder for each of your accounts. right, but i think Eric was talking about mailboxes, such as into which one might filter list mail -- PDML

Re: OT Mac users only

On 2011-03-16 14:06 , Eric Weir wrote: I've inquired with the developers of Tags to see if it provides for tagging of tags. I doubt that it does. i think you are a closet abuser of evolved workflows! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT Mac users only

On 16/3/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: On 16/3/11, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: My needs are pretty basic and simple, though. Eric, we should have a drink sometime. That might be the smoothest pickup line I've seen on this list since I joined. TO DISCUSS OUR SIMPLE

Re: OT Mac users only

On 2011-03-16 14:13 , Joseph McAllister wrote: It is counterproductive to produce a software or hardware commodity to meet the needs of everyone who might use them. meet the needs of everyone is a bit rhetorical, but the general idea has proven quite productive, e.g. for Microsoft and for

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:40 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-03-16 14:13 , Joseph McAllister wrote: It is counterproductive to produce a software or hardware commodity to meet the needs of everyone who might use them. meet the needs of everyone is a bit rhetorical, but the general idea has

RE: OT Mac users only

On 2011-03-16 14:13 , Joseph McAllister wrote: It is counterproductive to produce a software or hardware commodity to meet the needs of everyone who might use them. meet the needs of everyone is a bit rhetorical, but the general idea has proven quite productive, e.g. for Microsoft and

Re: OT Mac users only

On 2011-03-16 15:51 , Paul Stenquist wrote: The phenomenology of email? HAR! Way to lob a big word at the opposition. Phenomenology is the study of phenomena -- the plural of phenomenon. Phenomenon is somewhat obtuse, but it generally means an occurrence, usually relating to nature. So you're

Re: OT Mac users only

My ADSL provider is ATT, but that's just network speed issues. Email and such run through Apple's MobileMe, GoDaddy.com and at least two others, so when service to a particular sendmail server gets funky, you have to know where in the chain to start looking. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Eric

Re: OT discussion of mail and philosophy (was: re: OT Mac users only)

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: When a message-response thread goes non-linear, people should change the subject to indicate that it is off on a different topic. As I just did. Otherwise the whole point of a mail thread becomes irrelevant. You're

Re: OT discussion of mail and philosophy (was: re: OT Mac users only)

On 2011-03-16 13:33 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:23 AM, steve harleyp...@paper-ape.com wrote: a beauty of email is that the discussion need not be linear -- When a message-response thread goes non-linear, people should change the subject to indicate that it is off on

Re: OT Mac users only

On 3/16/2011 5:09 PM, Cotty wrote: On 16/3/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: On 16/3/11, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: My needs are pretty basic and simple, though. Eric, we should have a drink sometime. That might be the smoothest pickup line I've seen on this list

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:59 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-03-16 14:06 , Eric Weir wrote: I've inquired with the developers of Tags to see if it provides for tagging of tags. I doubt that it does. i think you are a closet abuser of evolved workflows! None of my workflows, if they can be

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Cotty wrote: On 16/3/11, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: My needs are pretty basic and simple, though. Eric, we should have a drink sometime. Gosh, Cotty. I don't know what to say. Do you think it might solve my problems with Mail?

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Email and such run through Apple's MobileMe, GoDaddy.com and at least two others, so when service to a particular sendmail server gets funky, you have to know where in the chain to start looking. I take it you're referring to your setup.

Re: OT Mac users only

Your service provider is bellsouth.com. Talk to them. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Mar 16, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Email and such run through Apple's MobileMe, GoDaddy.com and at least two others, so when service to a particular

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Your service provider is bellsouth.com. Talk to them. Thanks, Godfrey. Bellsouth doesn't exist anymore. It was bought out by ATT several years ago. I'll see if I can get any help from them.

Re: OT Mac users only

On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: There's a known issue with an interaction between one particular Mac OS X network config and many home routers. Mac OS X by default enables a TCP/IP performance extension called RFC 1323. This sometimes triggers some odd behaviour in a

Re: OT Mac users only

On 11-03-15 8:47 AM, Eric Weir wrote: On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: There's a known issue with an interaction between one particular Mac OS X network config and many home routers. Mac OS X by default enables a TCP/IP performance extension called RFC 1323. This sometimes

Re: OT Mac users only

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: I guess it's not working afterall. It has started hanging up again. Thanks again for the suggestion, though. Looked promising there at the beginning. I did not like MAIL, and only used it once i n a while. Dave

Re: OT Mac users only

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: I guess it's not working afterall. It has started hanging up again. Thanks again for the suggestion, though. Looked promising there at the

Re: OT Mac users only

On 2011-03-15 14:10 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: I did not like MAIL, and only used it once i n a while. Why? i don't know about David, but i dislike certain simplifications Apple has applied in Mail: - it doesn't

Re: OT Mac users only

i don't know about David, but i dislike certain simplifications Apple has applied in Mail: - it doesn't display threads hierarchically, Sure it does ... but the hierarchy is only one level deep. It doesn't thread into a tree of arbitrary depth. - it can't be stopped from marking messages as

Re: OT Mac users only

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Sure it does ... but the hierarchy is only one level deep. I should try that argument the next time my company reorganizes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT Mac users only

On 2011-03-15 18:50 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: i don't know about David, but i dislike certain simplifications Apple has applied in Mail: - it doesn't display threads hierarchically, Sure it does ... but the hierarchy is only one level deep. It doesn't thread into a tree of arbitrary depth.

OT Mac users only

the email boxes, which appeared to work for a while, but the problem has reappeared and rebuilding no longer has any effect. Others on the thread I started have reported experiencing the problem as well. Any Mac users on the list have any suggestions as to what's going on? Thanks

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