Sorry, your 5 minutes is up!
Cheers,
Brian
+
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
Quoting Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Not.
>
> On 9/21/05, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Did
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++
As I've already explained to Cotty.Can't!!
Cheers,
Brian
+
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Yes you can.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> > On 9/20/05, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, can't re
Not.
On 9/21/05, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian
>
> +
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney, Australia
>
>
> Quoting Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Posting what? You haven't posted anything!
> >
> > On 9/20/
Did
Cheers,
Brian
+
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
Quoting Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Posting what? You haven't posted anything!
>
> On 9/20/05, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Well, can't resist posting this:
No - I most certainly can't..
Cheers,
Brian
+
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
Quoting Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 20/9/05, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >
> >Well, can't resist posting this:
> >
> >
> >http://www.mi
September 21, 2005 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
Posting what? You haven't posted anything!
On 9/20/05, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, can't resist posting this:
http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm
--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twos
Posting what? You haven't posted anything!
On 9/20/05, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, can't resist posting this:
>
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm
>
--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com
--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman
HA!
On 9/21/05, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> > > On 20/9/05, Tom C, discombobulated,
> > unleashed:
> > >
> > > >Doesn't it take two to argue?
> > >
> > > No it doesn't.>
> > > Cheers,
> > > Cotty
> >
> > I could
>
> From: Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/09/21 Wed AM 02:57:10 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
>
> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> > > On 20/9/05,
On 20/9/05, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>Well, can't resist posting this:
>
>
>http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm
Yes you can.
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
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_
In a message dated 9/20/2005 7:58:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I could be arguing in my spare time.:-)
>
> Dave(here we go)Brooks
Well, can't resist posting this:
http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm
Cheers,
Brian
ROFL.
Marnie aka Doe
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > On 20/9/05, Tom C, discombobulated,
> unleashed:
> >
> > >Doesn't it take two to argue?
> >
> > No it doesn't.>
> > Cheers,
> > Cotty
>
> I could be arguing in my spare time.:-)
>
> Dave(here we go)Brooks
Well
> On 20/9/05, Tom C, discombobulated,
unleashed:
>
> >Doesn't it take two to argue?
>
> No it doesn't.>
> Cheers,
> Cotty
I could be arguing in my spare time.:-)
Dave(here we go)Brooks
On 20/9/05, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Doesn't it take two to argue?
No it doesn't.
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
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You are in good company then. :)
Tom C.
From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It does.
I was the second, to my shame.
Apologies to the rest of the list on how badly this snowballed.
-Adam
about its value. Posting post counts and declaring
it a waste of time isnt adding anything of ANY value to ANYONE in the
discussion.
jco
-Original Message-
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 2:08 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: gr
It does.
I was the second, to my shame.
Apologies to the rest of the list on how badly this snowballed.
-Adam
Tom C wrote:
I've missed most of these wars and will delete the remainder w/o reading.
Just one question for the group at large. Doesn't it take two to argue?
Tom C.
Apparently not.
Tom C wrote:
I've missed most of these wars and will delete the remainder w/o reading.
Just one question for the group at large. Doesn't it take two to argue?
Tom C.
--
When you're worried or in doubt,
Run in circles, (scream and shout).
I've missed most of these wars and will delete the remainder w/o reading.
Just one question for the group at large. Doesn't it take two to argue?
Tom C.
On Sep 20, 2005, at 10:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As follow up:
From Sept 17, 8:54 pm to Sept 20, 10:07 am, JCO has made 98 posts on
this topic, and none on any other topic.
Most other posters to this and related threads have made 10-12 posts
in the same time period, and have commented on
posts.) Sheesh, sometimes there is simply too much testosterone on this list.
Agreed. You'd think it was usenet for how much carrying-on has
been happening recently.
-Cory
--
*
* Cory Papenfuss
In a message dated 9/20/2005 10:27:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As follow up:
>From Sept 17, 8:54 pm to Sept 20, 10:07 am, JCO has made 98 posts on
this topic, and none on any other topic.
Most other posters to this and related threads have made 10-12 posts
in the s
It's a tough job but somebody has to do it. I'll accept the burden
for the good of the PDML community. :-)
As follow up:
From Sept 17, 8:54 pm to Sept 20, 10:07 am, JCO has made 98 posts on
this topic, and none on any other topic.
Most other posters to this and related threads have made 10
HA!
On 9/20/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2005, at 12:27 AM, Cotty wrote:
>
> >> P.S. havent you got anything better to do that
> >> count my posts and report to the list?
> >>
> >
> > Godders, the man *has* a point ;-)
>
> After hammering on it 80 some times, I th
On Sep 20, 2005, at 12:27 AM, Cotty wrote:
P.S. havent you got anything better to do that
count my posts and report to the list?
Godders, the man *has* a point ;-)
After hammering on it 80 some times, I think it's getting pretty blunt.
Godfrey
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:09 PM
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
as for reasons to switch from P&S digicams to DSLRS
are DSLRS actually quieter? Why?
Bigger senso
05 2:11 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
On Sep 19, 2005, at 8:32 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> YOUR spamming- please stop posting posts with
> absolutely no relevant content to the list...
> P.S. havent you got anything better to do that
> count
since it is on a tripod, one handed makes little difference.
Herb...
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
For you maybe, I find I'm a lot steadier
9, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
There simply aren't enough film SLR users out there to drive the sales
numbers Nikon and Canon are seeing. Remember that the low-end Nikons and
Rebels are selling around 100,000 units a month. You think there are
enough film SLR use
>
> From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/09/20 Tue AM 07:23:11 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
>
> > It's a tough job but somebody has to do it. I'll accept the burden for
> > the good of the PDML c
In a message dated 9/20/2005 12:28:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What, and they didn't see it coming? Come on John, companies that
actually stay in business just don't do things like that. It's not being
cynical, it's just covering your bases
Cheers,
Cotty
-
In a message dated 9/19/2005 8:21:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Count: 78 green button messages from JCO in 27 hours.
Bloody slacker. That's only three per hour. He needs better spam-
generating software.
Godfrey
=
I am tired of this, so I am going to say someth
On 19/9/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Once the ordure came into contact with the rotational air circulating
>device they screamed for help from the engineers, who were able to
>come up with a reasonable workaround.
What, and they didn't see it coming? Come on John, companies that
On 19/9/05, J. C. O'Connell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>P.S. havent you got anything better to do that
>count my posts and report to the list?
Godders, the man *has* a point ;-)
Cheers,
Cotty
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It's a tough job but somebody has to do it. I'll accept the burden for
the good of the PDML community. :-)
Way to take one for the team, Godfrey. (: Personally, I'm tired of his
close-minded, self-righteous ballyhooing. Lucky for him I'm not a
moderator, or I would have taken the hint from
On Sep 19, 2005, at 8:32 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
YOUR spamming- please stop posting posts with
absolutely no relevant content to the list...
P.S. havent you got anything better to do that
count my posts and report to the list? that's sad...
What I'm posting is extremely relevant to the list:
LOL
On 9/19/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Count: 78 green button messages from JCO in 27 hours.
>
> Bloody slacker. That's only three per hour. He needs better spam-
> generating software.
>
> Godfrey
>
>
--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com
--
"You have to hold the b
and a few lenses
when they can get nice p&s cameras for a couple
hundred would be a hard sell to someone who
never used a SLR in their life.
-Original Message-
From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:20 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re:
er 19, 2005 11:21 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
Count: 78 green button messages from JCO in 27 hours.
Bloody slacker. That's only three per hour. He needs better spam-
generating software.
Godfrey
Count: 78 green button messages from JCO in 27 hours.
Bloody slacker. That's only three per hour. He needs better spam-
generating software.
Godfrey
2.5 million active SLR users looking to upgrade? doubtful. I'd imagine
that a decent number of those P&S users looking to upgrade may have had
a film SLR at one point, but they're not film users anymore, and are
upgrading from the camera they use, not the one in the closet.
Oh, and I was sayin
ent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
Personally, I don't want any more moving parts in my digital SLR.
Moving parts wear. Wear creates dust. Dust contaminates the sensor.
Keep the moving parts out of my SLR. The green button is an optimum
solution
essage-
From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:40 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
Simple. Prosumer P&S's are noisy, slow and have low ISO limits. These
are what is pushing this market into DSLR's.
herwise I simply
wont cant see it but I am willing to see...SLRS fell out of
mainstream about 15-20 years ago and I cant see the masses
rushing back to them just because there's now digital ones
available..
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, Se
you were the market Pentax hoped to capture before you switched to Canon or
Nikon.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: "E.R.N. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
I wonder which category I f
Adam Maas wrote:
The SLR market is a fraction of the total market. And the expansion of
the DSLR market has been far too quick for it to just be film SLR
owners buying in. The cash cow for the DSLR market has been folks
upgrading from a mid-low end P&S digital. As demonstrated by the
market t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/19/2005 5:00:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Once the ordure came into contact with the rotational air circulating
device they screamed for help from the engineers, who were able to
come up with a reasonable workaround.
==
ut of
mainstream about 15-20 years ago and I cant see the masses
rushing back to them just because there's now digital ones
available..
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:13 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: gr
btw, speaking of compatibility, imo, the aps sized sensor effectively makes more
damage than open vs. stop-down metering. at least, for those who are
not interested
in super-teles (99% of users? -- of course, including myself. without
that it would have
been only 97%)
best,
mishka
source of this information?
I ask because I find it hard to believe that there
are more DSLR buyers buying there first SLR than
there are former SLR owners buying their first DSLR.
jco
-Original Message-
From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:01 PM
To:
i think that just reflects that they had a moron making the final
decision. the good news is that they did recognized this issue
as being relevant and kinda fixed it in software. hopefully, in the
newly designed cameras (post- *istWhatever) that would come
back to hardware. i seriously doubt that
In a message dated 9/19/2005 5:00:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Once the ordure came into contact with the rotational air circulating
device they screamed for help from the engineers, who were able to
come up with a reasonable workaround.
Cute. I had to read t
odies still in existance..
jco
-Original Message-
From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:26 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
they will fail by not being used.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: "P.
there are former SLR owners buying their first DSLR.
jco
-Original Message-
From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:01 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
this list is about as far from the buyers as you can possibl
they will fail by not being used.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
I've got 35 year old cameras with their potentiometers still
working
9, 2005 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
I see it as a symptom of Pentax changing from primarily an engineering
company to a marketing company. This transformation has worked well for
some, HP and Sony for instance, Kodak is currently trying to do something
of the same thing. Many o
i need to run my camera one-handed a lot of the time. aperture rings are
redundant. autofocus is just about required.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
Personally, I
spend
more.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
When the ist-D first appeared there was near-unanimous agreement that
backwards compatibility
this list is about as far from the buyers as you can possibly get.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
Lets see some proof/numbers to back
emoved years ago if that was necessary...
jco
-Original Message-
From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:52 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
You redesign if the costs are justifiable. You remove if th
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 07:23:05PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 9/19/2005 12:05:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I (sort of) agree with Cotty on this one. I think Pentax would have
> gladly abandoned the old lenses but realized that they didn't ha
Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:40 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005, Mark Roberts wrote:
Between the mechanical linkage and
In a message dated 9/19/2005 12:05:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I (sort of) agree with Cotty on this one. I think Pentax would have
gladly abandoned the old lenses but realized that they didn't have the
market clout of Canon that would allow them to do that. They took a
On 19/9/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>I've now counted 62 posts *from you*
>reiterating your position on this issue in the past day and a half.
Oh boy, just warming up :-D
Cheers,
Cotty
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oubt or it might even be the exact
same part as 30 years ago if they had good success
with it
JCO
-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:40 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
Kostas Kavoussanak
Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Sep 2005, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> Between the mechanical linkage and the potentiometer, it also introduces
>> two more potential points of failure.
>
>How often have these failed in the past?
I've seen several, and those are from the da
Not very often, I suspect there was a flaw in the design in the early
MX. Other than that I've never had a problem on any camera.
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005, Mark Roberts wrote:
Between the mechanical linkage and the potentiometer, it also introduces
two more potential
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:09 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
When you're worried or in doubt,Run in circles, (scream and shout).
I think this describes JCO's hysterical rantings on this topic perfectly. The
irony is that PJ has offered it to us.
While
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005, Mark Roberts wrote:
Between the mechanical linkage and the potentiometer, it also introduces
two more potential points of failure.
How often have these failed in the past?
Kostas
cuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
On Sep 19, 2005, at 12:44 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> I refuse to buy into this B/S ...
So do I. Your bullshit, that is. I believe that what you really
refuse to do is just shut up. I've now counted 62 posts *from you*
reit
odfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:07 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
On Sep 19, 2005, at 12:44 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> I refuse to buy into this B/S ...
So do I. Your bullshit, that is. I believe that what you
On Sep 19, 2005, at 12:44 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
I refuse to buy into this B/S ...
So do I. Your bullshit, that is. I believe that what you really
refuse to do is just shut up. I've now counted 62 posts *from you*
reiterating your position on this issue in the past day and a half.
T
ts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:28 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>>"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>&g
other series
or all other series combined...Its not even close...
jco
-Original Message-
From: Adam Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
The thing is that this is not a Key Function.
just blowing
smoke and playing childish games...
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:36 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
>JCO asked:
>HOW MANY TIMES do I have to say this?
Hmm, ba
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>>"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>The green button is also a point of failure,
>>
>>With vastly greater MTBF than any potentiometer.
>>
>The camera will be well and truly obsolete before this is likely to
>happen.
The movie version, yes. I'm trying to remember if this specific line
was in the book as well. ( I know this is OT with regard to the thread,
but even the title admits that this subject is an old one. )
I (sort of) agree with Cotty on this one. I think Pentax would have
gladly abandoned the old l
Yes, the function I am referring to would best suite the Av mode not the
Manual mode.
rg
Bruce Dayton wrote:
I use this HyperManual style all the time. In fact, for both K and FA
lenses, the behavior is the same. For K lenses I turn the aperture
ring and then meter where I want by pressing
in top line $600 plus bodies
at this time IMHO.
jco
-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:43 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I don't want any
>JCO asked:
>HOW MANY TIMES do I have to say this?
Hmm, based on past performance I would estimate that you're going to say this
SEVERAL THOUSAND TIMES.
I suggest that we unanimously name JCO as THE WINNER of this debate.
Apparently, that is the only conclusion that will be acceptable.
On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:09 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
When you're worried or in doubt,Run in circles, (scream and
shout).
I think this describes JCO's hysterical rantings on this topic
perfectly. The irony is that PJ has offered it to us.
];-)
Godfrey
new subscriber to the green-button
P. J. Alling wrote:
I think you're wrong on this, it is a new issue. The Cameras that
didn't have full support were bottom of the line. They were destined
to be sold to people who were never going to use anything other than
the kit lens, basically a glorified P&S camera.
in response to A
Mark Roberts wrote:
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The green button is also a point of failure,
With vastly greater MTBF than any potentiometer.
The camera will be well and truly obsolete before this is likely to
happen. I've got 35 year old cameras with their poten
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:43 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Personally, I don't want any more moving parts in my digital SLR.
>Moving parts wear. Wear creates d
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The green button is also a point of failure,
With vastly greater MTBF than any potentiometer.
>which would receive much less use if the aperture simulator was there.
But it would still be there (on the D, anyway - the DS doesn't have it).
--
Mar
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:32 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: green button wars (again)
Dust is dust is'nt it.
I have found small metal filings inside my D2H that service attributes to
wear from the mount.Its been
brought up on several Nikon lists tha
The green button is also a point of failure, which would receive much
less use if the aperture simulator was there.
Mark Roberts wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I don't want any more moving parts in my digital SLR.
Moving parts wear. Wear creates dust. Dust contaminates the se
I use this HyperManual style all the time. In fact, for both K and FA
lenses, the behavior is the same. For K lenses I turn the aperture
ring and then meter where I want by pressing the green button (the
camera sets the shutter speed). For FA lenses I turn the body dial to
set the aperture where
No actually, it can be done without the mechanism, because even though
you do not know the actual aperture you are using, when you stop down it
gives you a meter reading, and when you are full open, you have another
meter reading. The ratio between the two tells you how much you need to
compen
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>Personally, I don't want any more moving parts in my digital SLR.
>Moving parts wear. Wear creates dust. Dust contaminates the sensor.
>Keep the moving parts out of my SLR. The green button is an optimum solution.
Between the mechanical linkage and the potentiometer,
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>
>
> > The lens cam is moving anyway so
> there is
> already moving
> > parts and &
That requires a linear aperature mechanism, which only A and later
lenses have (That's one of the major changes between K/M and A lenses)
-Adam
Gonz wrote:
See my earlier post:
"Pentax could have had a pseudo-AE mode if they wanted to with just one
press of the green button per aperture se
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 11:14:16AM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> When the ist-D first appeared there was near-unanimous agreement that
> backwards compatibility was unacceptable.
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Even then, there were a significant
number of people for whom it wasn't an issue.
My simple solution would have been to drop the linkage on any further
lenses that didn't implement the aperture ring, (oh yes they did that
didn't they), simple solution. No one was going to buy one of them to
use on their classic film camera anyway, with no way to control the
diaphragm mechan
I agree, this functionality would be in the "AE" setting, not the manual.
rg
John Francis wrote:
You think that would be an improvement. I don't.
If I put the camera in manual exposure mode, the it
changes the exposure settings when *I* say so, not
when it measures a change in the light. Tha
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: green button wars (again)
I think you're wrong on this, it is a new issue. The Cameras that
didn't have full support were bottom of the line. They were destined to
be sold to people who were never going to use anything other than the
kit lens, bas
es that they
really don't need if the required part had not been intentionally removed
completely from all available new bodies...
JCO
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From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:39 PM
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: green button w
You think that would be an improvement. I don't.
If I put the camera in manual exposure mode, the it
changes the exposure settings when *I* say so, not
when it measures a change in the light. That's what
auto-exposure modes are for.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:46:13AM -0500, Gonz wrote:
> See m
>JCO wrote:
>Your credibility just went down
> about 10 notches in my opinion
HAR! EXCELLENT!
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 07:08:50AM -0400, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
> >Its done for convenience. You can see your shutter speed real time and
> >can make adjustments if its too fast/slow. Pentax could have had a
> >pseudo-AE mode if they wanted to with just one press of the green button
> >per ape
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