Re: [PEIRCE-L] signs, correlates, and triadic relations

2015-12-02 Thread Clark Goble
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Sungchul Ji wrote: > > (1) I agree with you on the definition of these categories of Peirce. > We seem to disagree on how to assign these categories to the three worlds of > Burgin and the three roses of Scotus. I’m not quite sure why you are applying firstness

Re: [PEIRCE-L] signs, correlates, and triadic relations - The union of units unify the unity.

2015-12-02 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Clark: On Dec 2, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Clark Goble wrote: > I’m not quite sure why you are applying firstness to structure where > structures are inherently relations and firstness is inherently a thing in > itself without relations. > >From my perspective, this argument, ignores the natur

RE: [PEIRCE-L] signs, correlates, and triadic relations - The union of units unify the unity.

2015-12-02 Thread John Collier
Jerry, there is some very convoluted reasoning in this, but I will try to explain. See interspersed comments. John Collier Professor Emeritus, UKZN http://web.ncf.ca/collier From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sent: Wednesday, 02 December 2015 6:57 PM To: Peirce-L Cc: Cla

Re: [PEIRCE-L] signs, correlates, and triadic relations - The union of units unify the unity.

2015-12-02 Thread Clark Goble
> On Dec 2, 2015, at 9:56 AM, Jerry LR Chandler > wrote: > > From my perspective, this argument, ignores the nature of nature - that is, > of part whole relationships, known as mereology in logic and philosophy and > as "scaling" in physics. > > A noun is what? a part of a sentence? an obje

Re: [PEIRCE-L] signs, correlates, and triadic relations

2015-12-02 Thread Sungchul Ji
Hi Clark, lists, You wrote: "I’m not quite sure why you are applying firstness to structure where structures (120215-1) are inherently relations and firstness is inherently a thing in itself without relations." (*1*) It seems that everybody, including you, John (and

Re: [biosemiotics:8992] Re: [PEIRCE-L] signs, correlates, and triadic relations

2015-12-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
I guess I must be 'nobody', since I don't see any way at all to 'distribute the Peircean categories of Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness over the three worlds of Burgin". Burgin's three worlds seem remarkably similar to Popper's three worlds - and neither, in my view, have anything to do with

Re: [biosemiotics:8992] Re: [PEIRCE-L] signs, correlates, and triadic relations

2015-12-02 Thread Sungchul Ji
Edwina, Clark, John, lists You wrote: "Burgin's three worlds seem remarkably similar to Popper's three worlds - and neither, (120215-1) in my view, have anything to do with the Peircean categories." If Statement (120215-1) is right, then Peirce (as represneted by

Re: [biosemiotics:8992] Re: [PEIRCE-L] signs, correlates, and triadic relations

2015-12-02 Thread Gary Richmond
Sung, List, "Burgin's three worlds seem remarkably similar to Popper's three worlds - and neither, (120215-1) in my view, have anything to do with the Peircean categories." If Statement (120215-1) is right, then Peirce (as represneted by E. Taborsky) would have not

Re: [biosemiotics:8992] Re: [PEIRCE-L] signs, correlates, and triadic relations

2015-12-02 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Sung, your comment doesn't make any sense. Because Peirce's three categories don't correlate to the three worlds of Burgin and Popper [both of whom are excellent scholars] , doesn't mean that Peircean theory doesn't have anything to do with modern natural sciences or with information science

[PEIRCE-L] Elementary Relatives or Individual Relatives

2015-12-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, As I wrote before, I used the phrase "relations proper" merely to emphasize that I was talking about relations in the technical sense. Another common idiom to the same purpose would be "relations, strictly speaking". As for "elementary relatives", Peirce uses this term in the 1870 Log

RE: [PEIRCE-L] signs, correlates, and triadic relations

2015-12-02 Thread John Collier
Sung, I assume no such thing. Where did you get this idea from? You are unreasonably adept at setting up straw men to try to justify yourself. You did it recently with Edwina as well. This is not only bad reasoning, but it is rather rude as well. Your claims overall make no sense, since there