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}Jon, list - yes, makes sense. Yes - I meant the internal Sign
triadAnd yes, the three correlates are in 'other Sign
relations'enables diversity
Edwina
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Edwina, Jon S, List,
First, I will have to disagree with you, Edwina, on one point since I think
the three pronged spoke *does *exactly represent a triadic relation, not
three relations (how do you figure that?) As I see it, the single node from
which the three spokes protrude make it one
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On Wed 12/04/17 1:59 PM , Jon Alan Schmidt jonalanschm...@gmail.com
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Edwina, List:
ET: BUT - to be clear, I still see this internal triad as ONE SET of three
irreducible Relations. I suspect that you don't see this internal triad as
made up of Relations, while I still see it that way - although the bond is
so tight that none of the three can be seen as
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Jon, list
1) The Representamen does carry the general habits; that is, where
are these generals located in a 'thing'? I'll take the example of a
cell; its habits, which function to mould its material content
Edwina, Jon, List,
I agree, that a molecule (and an atom, a particle...) is a token. But, when something happens with this molecule due to a natural law, eg. the law of gravitation, is then the spatial section of this law that works upon the molecule a token of the law? I was thinking no,
Helmut,
Your idea of “self-defined bodies” is essentially the “autopoiesis” of Maturana
and Varela, and the idea of final causation being intrinsic to animate bodymind
is shared by Gregory Bateson and, I think, by Peirce. My book Turning Signs
joins these concepts with Robert Rosen’s
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> Gene - I would agree with your D.H. Lawrence quote. And as I often quote
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Gene - I would agree with your D.H. Lawrence quote. And as I often quote from
Peirce,
"Thought is not necessarily connected with a brain. It appears in
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Gene - I would agree with your D.H. Lawrence quote. And as I often
quote from Peirce,
"Thought is not necessarily connected with a brain. It appears in
the work of bees, of crystals, and throughout the purely
Dear Edwina,
Thanks, but it was not so perfectly. The last Peirce phrase should be
“reasonableness energizing in the world.”
Not “universe.”
I’m glad you thought my words expressed what you were trying to say, given
that I am not an atheist, perhaps something closer to a “religious
atheist,”
John Sowa: “But every kind of Thirdness must be learned by abduction.
Observation can only detect post hoc. Propter hoc is an abduction. An
infant observes patterns in the parents' babbling, imitates the babbling,
and discovers that certain patterns bring rewards.”
The expectations for
Gary F., List:
GF: In Baldwin’s Dictionary, Peirce defined “symbol” as “A SIGN (q.v.)
which is constituted a sign merely or mainly by the fact that it is used
and understood as such, whether the habit is natural or conventional, and
without regard to the motives which originally governed its
John S., Helmut, List:
Of course, Peirce famously argued for the *Reality *of God, not the *existence
*of God. He explained why in one of the manuscript drafts of "A Neglected
Argument."
CSP: Thus, He is so much like a mind, and so little like a singular
Existent (meaning by an Existent, or
Edwina, List:
ET: Nowhere in this section does Peirce write that the purpose of Reason
is the 'growth of knowledge about both God and the universe'.
I did not suggest that this was "the purpose of Reason," but that it is
"God's purpose" as "the development of Reason." CP 1.615 (1903)
RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Laws of Nature as Signs
Gary F., List:
There is much to digest here. As you quoted, Peirce called the universe "a
great symbol of God's purpose, working out its conclusions in living realities"
(CP 5.119; 1903). This suggests to me that "God's purpose" is t
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Jon, list: And here is a key difference.
Jon wrote: "As I mentioned in the other thread, I take it to be the
summum bonum--the "development of Reason," which is the growth of
knowledge about both God and the
Gary F., List:
There is much to digest here. As you quoted, Peirce called the universe "a
great symbol of God's purpose, working out its conclusions in living
realities" (CP 5.119; 1903). This suggests to me that "God's purpose" is
the Object of the universe as Symbol, and "living realities"
ntinually receiving new accretions.
> Those premisses of nature, however, though they are not the perceptual
> facts that are premisses to us, nevertheless must resemble them in being
> premisses. We can only imagine what they are by comparing them with the
> premisses for us. As premisses they mus
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Jon, list - hmm - that is interesting and I'd agree; the Dynamic
Object of a law of nature [which is Thirdness] is also Thirdness.
This enables individual organisms, when they interact with another
external organism, to
agine what they are by comparing them with the premisses for us. As
premisses they must involve Qualities. ]]
Gary F.
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