The Dismal Science at Work

2001-09-11 Thread Steve Diamond
09/11 00:01 U.S. Economy: Analysts Look Beyond the Mainstream Indicators By Simon Kennedy and Liz Enochs Washington, Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- When Joel Naroff wants added insight into where the economy is headed, he reads e-mails from cousin Mark about his home furnishings distributorship. ``At

Lending in a Recessionary Storm

2001-09-11 Thread Robert Manning
Jim notes: there's a lot of finance going on via corporate bond markets, not via banks. While the largest and most credit-worthy corporations have gone directly to Wall Street via bond sales for cheaper capital following the deregulation of financial services in the early 1980s, it is

GCG politics

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Keaney
Karl Carlile writes: Perhaps we can discuss the Global Communist Group's programme. Surely somone on the list has bothered to read and has a some view on it. = My conscience thereby pricked, and welcoming a change from the usual British state fare, I had a glance at the programme. Three

Questions of Leadership

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Keaney
Michael Pugliese writes: One of my bad habits when there is too much e-mail to deal with but, I want to tell y'all of some interesting nibblet on the net. The title/subject line, was a quote from some intelligence spook on Harold Wilson. Who I really doubt is gay, btw. Peter Mandelson is,

Police pounce on mourners for Mao

2001-09-11 Thread Stephen E Philion
HKiMail 11 September 2001 / 02:11 AM Police pounce on mourners for Mao Agencies POLICE detained four workers following a gathering in the central city of Zhengzhou to mark the 25th anniversary of the death of Mao Zedong, a United States-based labour group said yesterday. China Labour Watch,

Re: Police pounce on mourners for Mao

2001-09-11 Thread Rob Schaap
I'n hearing something about two planes crashing into the World Trades Centre. 'Zat right? Anyone have more? Rob.

Re: GCG politics

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Perelman
I agree with Michael's judgement. Pen-l is not an appropirate agenda to discuss a political agenda. On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 02:32:09PM +0300, Michael Keaney wrote: Karl Carlile writes: Perhaps we can discuss the Global Communist Group's programme. Surely somone on the list has bothered to

Re: Re: Police pounce on mourners for Mao

2001-09-11 Thread Jim Devine
At 11:10 PM 09/11/2001 +, you wrote: I'n hearing something about two planes crashing into the World Trades Centre. 'Zat right? Anyone have more? Rob. last I heard, one of the towers of the World Trade center collapsed, while a third plane crashed into the Pentagon. we live in interesting

NPR Interviews Warhawk on attacks..

2001-09-11 Thread Stephen E Philion
I was just listening NPR's interview with one Elliot Cohen with the Center for Strategic Studies at John Hopkins talking about this event as another 'Pearl Harbor', distinguishing this from 'crime', that this is not crime, but war, an act of war that the US will have to respond to. He expressed

terrorism

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Perelman
You can be sure that all sorts of repression will result, which will be unrelated to terrorism. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: NPR Interviews Warhawk on attacks..

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Cohen's strategy is working well in bringing peace to Israel. I have not heard anybody mention that the group which supposedly claimed responsibility -- although a spokesman later denied it -- was the same one whose leader was taken out by an Israeli missle, presumably supplied by the US. On

Re: Re: NPR Interviews Warhawk on attacks..

2001-09-11 Thread Rob Schaap
Michael Perelman wrote: Cohen's strategy is working well in bringing peace to Israel. I have not heard anybody mention that the group which supposedly claimed responsibility -- although a spokesman later denied it -- was the same one whose leader was taken out by an Israeli missle,

Re: Lending in a Recessionary Storm

2001-09-11 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:07 AM 09/11/2001 -0400, you wrote: Jim notes: there's a lot of finance going on via corporate bond markets, not via banks. While the largest and most credit-worthy corporations have gone directly to Wall Street via bond sales for cheaper capital following the deregulation of

Re: terrorism

2001-09-11 Thread Jim Devine
Michael wrote: You can be sure that all sorts of repression will result, which will be unrelated to terrorism. yeah: the anti-terrorists are always chomping at the bit, waiting to repress. How does Cohen fellow know that state terrorism is involved? how could a Palestinian group have the

Another CSS warhawk interviewed on attack

2001-09-11 Thread Stephen E Philion
Just finished listening to an NPR interview with yet another Center for Strategic Studies expert on terrorism, Michelle Flornoy (sic) This will forcre us Americans to rethink civil liberties. All the worst concerns about terrorism...now it has been proven to happen. We ill need to think about

Re: Re: Re: NPR Interviews Warhawk on attacks..

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Pugliese
The leader who was taken out by a missile was in the PFLP. The Reuters report from the Abu Dhabi TV, that, at first claimed responsibility, was for the DFLP. DFLP was a split from PFLP, in '69, I think. Michael Pugliese -Original Message- From: Rob Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: Re: Re: Police pounce on mourners for Mao

2001-09-11 Thread Macdonald Stainsby
another plane down in Pittsburgh. Anyonwe out there who is an outspoken critic/activist- be careful. Keep your head down for a few days and keep any non-white friends inside. There is going to be a counter attack- the US WILL NOT take this quietly. be careful one and all. Macdonald -

Re: Recession May Hit World Economy

2001-09-11 Thread Tom Walker
LONDON (Reuters) - The shock to financial markets from Tuesday's devastating plane attacks in the United States could have huge repercussions for an already-fragile world economy, stunned analysts said as they watched events unfold. - We have to assume that quite a lot of high producers in

quick thoughts before I rush off

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Perelman
This morning's events will spell the end of much of our remaining civil liberties. I assume that Bush will get whatever spending he wants for a response. The U.S. has a record of lashing out at the wrong targets -- for example, the Sudan pharmaceutical plant. The left is probably in greater

Re: quick thoughts before I rush off

2001-09-11 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
This morning's events will spell the end of much of our remaining civil liberties. I assume that Bush will get whatever spending he wants for a response. The U.S. has a record of lashing out at the wrong targets -- for example, the Sudan pharmaceutical plant. The left is probably in greater

the attack

2001-09-11 Thread Andrew Hagen
Is everybody okay? I think Doug lives in the NYC area. Does anyone else live there? This attack disgusts me and should disgust the entire left and anti-globalization movement. This attack is cowardly, unjustified, and totally evil. The perpetrators are criminals of the worst kind. As for civil

Re: quick thoughts before I rush off

2001-09-11 Thread Tom Walker
Michael Perelman wrote, This morning's events will spell the end of much of our remaining civil liberties. I assume that Bush will get whatever spending he wants for a response. The U.S. has a record of lashing out at the wrong targets -- for example, the Sudan pharmaceutical plant. This is

Re: the attack

2001-09-11 Thread Ken Hanly
How can the attack be cowardly? The attackers gave up their lives in most instances. They were willing to die to achieve their goals. That is hardly cowardly. Are you saying that people willing to put their lives on the line for their beliefs are cowards. Explain that please. Criminals usually

Re: quick thoughts before I rush off

2001-09-11 Thread Jim Devine
Michael Perelman wrote: This morning's events will spell the end of much of our remaining civil liberties. This is too alarmist for me, given my reading of the situation. I expect a further weakening of our civil liberties, but not the end. Andrew Hagen writes:As for civil liberties, sometimes

and now for something completely different.

2001-09-11 Thread Jim Devine
forwarded from Mike Lebowitz (a pen-l alumnus): August 30, 2001 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE WTO INTRODUCES NEW MEMBER Gold and one meter long, phallus is brand-new technology to control distant workers Anti-WTO impostors have struck again, delivering a lecture about the rights of

They cannot govern the world in the old way

2001-09-11 Thread Chris Burford
The shocking terrorist acts were designed to shock. And have succeeded. Yes in the short term there will be attacks on the civil liberties of muslims. There must be some people in the US military contemplating a nucear attack on Afghanistan. More sophisticatedly, commentators on the BBC are

Re: Re: the attack

2001-09-11 Thread Andrew Hagen
The attack is cowardly because the attackers must have had support from some group or country. Yet, all concerned have kept their affiliations secret. They have attacked civilians, who had no way of defending themselves. For these reasons and others, they are cowards. What personal gain did the

Taliban Condemn Attacks in U.S.

2001-09-11 Thread SOncu
SEPTEMBER 11, 14:20 EDT Taliban Condemn Attacks in U.S. By Kathy Gannon Associated Press Writer KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Afghanistan's hardline Taliban rulers condemned the devastating terrorist attacks in New York and Washington on Tuesday and rejected suggestions that Osama bin Laden

Re: Re: quick thoughts before I rush off

2001-09-11 Thread Stephen E Philion
I just heard a professor on NPR being interviewed proclaim that *if* indeed it is found that the Israel-Palestinian conflict is the source of this incident that opinion in the US will turn against the Palestinians. The possibility that the policy of giving Israel the green light in its repression

Re: Re: Re: the attack

2001-09-11 Thread Ken Hanly
What has having support from a group or country got to do with its being cowardly? Keeping the affiliation secret is hardly cowardly. It is a tactical necessity. To reveal affiliation is to invite immediate reprisal. It just seems simple prudence. And many in the US will not care that many

Re: Taliban Condemn Attacks in U.S.

2001-09-11 Thread SOncu
Hi All, I hope our New Yorker friends are doing well. I don't know what to say about such a terrible tragedy that took away thousands of innocent lives and will make our lives much worse than they were before. Darker days are ahead. A friend from Turkey told me over the phone that several

Fwd: Paxil -- addictive?

2001-09-11 Thread Jim Devine
while back, pen-l had a discussion of the down-side of Prozac. Perhaps this is of interest. Drug giant faces huge law suit: 'Prozac miracle' could end in disaster Sarah Boseley, health editor Thursday September 6, 2001 The Guardian A major lawsuit has been launched against the British

dark skies

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Perelman
The dark sky here is filled with smoke from nearby fires. The Governor closed down all state offices, including the universities. Reason will surely be a major casualty. On LBO, Brad mentioned how easy it is to destroy things. I was making the same point in my class last Thursday, saying that

US military may have shot down United 93

2001-09-11 Thread Andrew Hagen
This is completely a rumor. My sister who lives in Germany just told me over the phone that the foreign press has reported that US military jets were in the area of United Airlines Flight 93, the flight that was hijacked and crashed in western Pennsylvannia. The foreign press seems to be

Financial Times on anticapitalism

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Perelman
http://specials.ft.com/countercap/FT33EJSLGRC.html -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

And now the attacks on Kabul

2001-09-11 Thread Chris Burford
and where else...? But as James Rubin has just said on BBC, the USA can no longer think it is immune from the outside world, (militarily, politically, or economically) And Tony Blair, has just loyally stepped into the vacuum while Bush is preoccupied, making strong statements, telephoning

request for data

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Perelman
A colleague asked if anyone has this information: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:39:11PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I am wondering if anyone can point me to an online data source with quarterly numbers for National Income and Product Accounts for the period from 1920-1940.

request for data

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Perelman
A colleague asked me: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:39:11PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I am wondering if anyone can point me to an online data source with quarterly numbers for National Income and Product Accounts for the period from 1920-1940. Thanks, John Eckalbar --

Re: And now the attacks on Kabul

2001-09-11 Thread Chris Burford
At 11/09/01 18:40 -0400, you wrote: According to Bush, this isn't the handiwork of the US. -- Luke The Guardian has this interesting report US 'not attacking Afghanistan' Special report: terrorism in the US Staff and agencies Wednesday September 12, 2001 A US official, speaking on the

Re: And now the attacks on Kabul

2001-09-11 Thread SOncu
Chris, I don't think these attacks on Kabul are the job of the US. There is a group in Northern Afganistan, whose name I cannot recall now, fighting against Taliban and most likely this is their job. Two days ago their leader, I guess his name was Massoud, was assasinated in a suicide attack

The Third Way embraces the Big Mac

2001-09-11 Thread Ken Hanly
IUF \ Open Letter to UK Prime Minister Blair Telefax Date: 10 September, 2001 To: UK Prime Minister Tony Blair Concerns: McDonald's sponsorship of Party Conference Dear Mr. Prime Minister, On behalf of the IUF's world-wide membership, I am writing to express my profound distress at your

Kagarlitsiky on the Russian Economy

2001-09-11 Thread Ken Hanly
#14 Moscow Times September 11, 2001 Bring On Another Crisis By Boris Kagarlitsky Three years ago, Russia was in the throes of a financial crisis. Today the situation, on the contrary, looks rather favorable, although voices portending a re-run of the 1998 crisis are getting more audible -- as

Putin's Message Re Terrorist Attacks in US

2001-09-11 Thread Ken Hanly
Russia's Putin offers sympathy to American people MOSCOW, Sept 11 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed sympathy and anger over attacks on U.S. targets on Tuesday, summoning security chiefs and calling for a coordinated international response to terrorism. Russian media said

Re: Re: quick thoughts before I rush off

2001-09-11 Thread Macdonald Stainsby
For what it's worth, here in Columbus, Ohio, we are planning responses, in anticipation of U.S. bombings of some Arab nation, repressions of Arabs Arab-Americans in the USA, etc.: Thank you Yoshie. This is exactly the right response. The hatred and racist fear I hear all around me is almost

Bin Laden: The story that needs to be told

2001-09-11 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A great story from MSNBC three years ago about how the CIA created bin Laden during the Cold War. If he does indeed become the target of choice, it's our job to make sure this side of the story is told loud and clear. Anyone have any other good cites on this thread? Chris *Jane's

Terrorism and encrypted messages on pornographic websites

2001-09-11 Thread Ken Hanly
Does this make any sense? Wouldn't it be immoral for Muslim fundamentalists to look at pornographic sites to get these messages? http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001-02-05-binladen.htm Cheers, Ken Hanly

American-Muslim Arab-American Children Attacked

2001-09-11 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ahmad Al-Akhras [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:57:43 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AACO] Fwd: Letter to Ohio School Superintendents From: CAIR Ohio [EMAIL PROTECTED] The letter below was sent to all Ohio School

Henry K Calls for Blood (fwd)

2001-09-11 Thread Stephen E Philion
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13653-2001Sep11.html Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822

W Post says Americans Ready for War

2001-09-11 Thread Stephen E Philion
Gotta love the last quote... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14420-2001Sep11.html Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822

Re: Re: And now the attacks on Kabul

2001-09-11 Thread Ken Hanly
This group is funded by the US and others and supported by Russia and control only 5 percent of Afghanistan at most. There are conflicting reports as to whether their leader was killed but he was certainly badly injured. What is not clear to me is how they were able to carry out the attack since