Finally, after a long period of somnolence, the LBO website has been
updated with a new article, info on my forthcoming book (After the
New Economy), teasers from the new issue (#105), and eight new radio
shows (most of which now open with me reviewing the week's economic
news). All links are acces
Devine, James wrote:
It's from the movie "Pumping Iron," as quoted by MS SLATE. The film
also shows Ah-nold smoking pot.
And toying with some rube whom he convinces to yelp oddly in a
competition, claiming that all the cool people are doing that now.
Doug
Devine, James wrote:
> what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from?
>
self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis?
--ravi
On Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:04:29 (-0400) Doug Henwood writes:
>Devine, James wrote:
>
>> >I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet.<
>>
>>in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the "Empire thesis"?
>
>What's relevant here is that imperial power is far more dispersed and
>polyc
[mmm and Dubya's requesting the Gov.from Utah to run the EPA.]
August 07, 2003 edition -
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0807/p01s02-uspo.html
In Utah, a public-land fight on an epic scale
Drilling, recreation, and other uses compete in a battle echoing over
millions of acres in the West.
Marty said:
> Well there is a lot surrounding the issue but I would say first of all
> that the left should be careful to endorse a strategy of growth that
> promotes exports in one country at the expense of worker well-being in
> others.
I have neither the intention nor the ability to promote su
let's keep cool.
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 02:03:10PM -0400, Kenneth Campbell wrote:
> Jesus... Lou... You okay?
>
> None the less, the "letter to the editor" Marxism is not sufficient for
> my family. Writing things doesn't work alone.
>
> Ken.
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: PEN-L list
Doug Henwood wrote:
>
>
>
> But what's a small country with a tiny internal market and little
> external finance to do? I don't know the answer, but it seems a lot
> of leftists don't appreciate the difficulty of the question.
>
Such a small country faces two risks, one certain, the other only hig
Fusaro, Peter and Ross Miller. 2002. What Went Wrong at Enron: Everyone's
Guide to the Largest Bankruptcy in U.S. History (NY: John Wiley & Sons).
8: "Ken Lay, who kept in contact with Michael Milken years after Milken
was released from prison, clearly viewed him as a kind of role model.
Making a n
Kenneth Campbell wrote:
Jesus... Lou... You okay?
No, Ken, I am not all right. I don't like being threatened by you. I
don't like having my time wasted going through the Marxmail archives to
weed out your god-damned messages. I was willing to let the whole thing
drop, but you should know better t
> "Instead of showing we live in a small world, it really shows the
> opposite," she said. "Ninety-eight percent of people can't reach
> anybody. What do they conclude? `Hey, we're all connected.' What? All
> I'm saying is his study didn't prove it."
I have always considered Milgram a brilliant re
I am sure that most people are familiar with the controversy surrounding
"The Quiet American", a 2001 Phillip Noyce film based on the 1955 Graham
Greene novel. Originally intended for release in November 2001, Miramax
executives delayed the film for months because they worried over audience
reactio
Doug wrote:
Though Chinese demand for capital goods has been good news for Japanese and
U.S. producers. And Chinese domestic dmeand is not tiny. This
less-than-zero-sum logic seems a bit overdone to me.
Comment:
Have real wages in US capital goods industry risen in the last ten years ?
The ILO s
Judge Rejects Subpoenas in Music-Use Case
Aug 8, 10:21 PM
BOSTON (AP) - A federal judge rejected an attempt by the recording
industry to uncover the names of Boston College and MIT students
suspected of online music piracy.
U.S. District Judge Joseph L. Tauro said Friday that under federal
rule
is there a color which represents democracy? I'd prefer democracy to anarchism (which
precludes democracy).
Jim
-Original Message-
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 8/12/2003 6:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Green
At 9:11 AM
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Anders writes: > You [Marty] say
>what you would not advise them to do, but that's really not an
>answer. I'm sure they could come up all by themselves lots
>of reasons why what their approach has serious problems, but
>if you can't tell them what they migh
>From MS SLATE's on-line summary of major US newspapers today:
>The LA [TIMES] goes inside with word of concerns over an executive order
signed by President Bush two months ago that may give U.S. oil
companies blanket immunity from lawsuits and criminal prosecution
over the sale of Iraqi oil. "As w
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> but there must be exceptions to that law or price
> discrimination wouldn't be so common. Perhaps the
> economist's definition of price discrimination
> differs from the lawyer's? the former would include
> "senior" discounts at movie theaters, coupo
In response to Doug's comments (below):
I hope I did not give the idea that I thought there was some simple set
of policies that countries could follow that would relatively quickly
and painlessly produce development.
But that said, if I were advising South Koreans I would certainly not
say
I was emphasizing a point that was being ignored, rather than presenting a
less-than-zero-sum picture. Note that I don't think that the "underconsumption
undertow" always pulls the swimmer (the world economy) down into drowing. The swimmer
might be strong, though this doesn't seem like a period
is there a color which represents democracy? I'd prefer democracy to
anarchism (which precludes democracy).
Jim
Anarchy, to me, means democracy, i.e., collective self-government,
the very ideal to which Lenin spoke in _The State and Revolution."
Not all those who call themselves anarchists agree wi
> If Cher were to marry U-2's Bono, together they'd make a complete person.
No they wouldn't. Bono still wouldn't have found what he was looking for,
and Cher would want to turn back time.
Jurriaan
Michael Perelman wrote:
I have a sense that we tend to discuss radical economic strategy for other
countries -- and probably for our own -- with a tone that sounds like
books that tell people how to raise children or win the affection of
others.
Aren't radical economists supposed to have the exper
But haven't the "objective" conditions changed, that is the increased
flows of capital, etc. that makes for strong labor very difficult?
cheers, anthony
xxx
Anthony P. D'Costa, Associate Professor
Comparative International
* _Monthly Review_ 55.3 (July-August 2003)
Can U.S. Workers Embrace Anti-Imperialism?
by William Fletcher, Jr.
No doubt one is a wretched plebeian harassed by debts and military
service, but, to make up for it, one is a Roman citizen, one has
one's share in the task of ruling other nations a
I have a sense that we tend to discuss radical economic strategy for other
countries -- and probably for our own -- with a tone that sounds like
books that tell people how to raise children or win the affection of
others.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico,
I don't believe I've engaged in this argument over market socialism
since the days of the first Spoons marxism list -- and I'm not going to
now. But I have a sort of external observation.
However socialism arrives, if it ever does, not much will change
overnight. So early socialism will be, tautol
EU and US seal farm trade deal
Mark Tran
Wednesday August 13, 2003
The Guardian
The EU and the US today agreed on a joint plan for agricultural trade
reform designed to boost the chances of success at global trade talks next
month.
The plan, to be put to the full World Trade Organisation (WTO) m
Buffett joins team Terminator
By BARRIE McKENNA
>From Thursday's Globe and Mail
Aug. 14, 2003
Washington Decried by pundits as a political circus, the colourful
race to recall California Governor Gray Davis is suddenly attracting
some big-time talent.
U.S. President George W. Bush is schedule
With a $38 billion state deficit, California is labeled the nation's basket case. The election to recall the governor will be held October 7, with over 240 candidates running for governor. This election will determine if Bush and his gang will gain control of the state. The people of California fac
It's always the person responding to the irritable grouch that gets
the reprimand, isn't it?
Doug
Doug, when did you take Jerry Levy's place on PEN-L?
Louis Proyect, Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org
>I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet.<
in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the "Empire thesis"?
Jim
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the one thing that all anarchists seem to agree with
> is that centralized government (the state) should be
> abolished -- as soon as possible.
The State is the governmental expression of class
rule.
I've never met anyone--anarchists included--who a
In a message dated 8/11/03 6:53:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have a sense that we tend to discuss radical economic strategy for other
countries -- and probably for our own -- with a tone that sounds like
books that tell people how to raise children or win the affection
Jim writes about the classic Marx v Bakunin battle of anarchism and intelligent
socialism.
I can never disagree with Karl, because he was just too damn smart. Never took a
position based on his own interests and fudged the rest.
But in this particular battle of definitions, I agree with all the
Fast Company's New Life in the Slow Lane
By DAVID CARR
New York Times
August 11, 2003
Fast Company, a magazine that advocated a business revolution, was first
published more than eight years ago on the verge of one. That
revolution, fomented by digital technologies and soaring stock prices,
came
The White Sea Canal: a Hymn of Praise for Forced Labour
>From 1932 to 1933, a 227 kilometres long canal was dug to the North of St
Petersburg, which connects the Eastern Sea with the White Sea: The White Sea
Canal (Belomor Canal). It is one of the largest forced labour projects in
history. An esti
All talk and no action - how the US bond market rodeo broke away from the
Fed
Charlotte Denny
Monday August 11, 2003
The Guardian
Faced with the harsh reality of cutting the deficit to please the markets,
one aide in the Clinton White House is reported to have said that if he
could be reborn, he'
del pen-l [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Perelman wrote:
let's keep cool.
It's always the person responding to the irritable grouch that gets
the reprimand, isn't it?
Doug
I got it from reading Ford's financial statements, maybe 2-3-4 years
ago. I think it came out in an exchange on PEN-L with Patrick Bond.
Doug
michael wrote:
Can you point me to the source, please. I remember you mentioning this
before. Was it in LBO?
Doug Henwood wrote:
michael wrote:
>Busi
[ LA Times]
Microsoft Loses UC Patent Case
A jury sets damages of $520.6 million, the largest award ever against the
company.
By Joseph Menn
Times Staff Writer
August 12, 2003
A federal jury found Monday that Microsoft Corp.'s Web browser infringed a
University of California patent and directed t
Tomorrow morning Stan Goff author of Hideous Dream (1-887128-63-8) and the
forthcoming Full Spectrum Disorder: The Military in the New American
Century (1-932360-12-3) will debate Paul Bremer on Good Morning America
tomorrow, and will then be on C-SPAN's Press Room Club at 10AM. He was on
CNN Ameri
INTRODUCTION
I owe the list a long posting on Argentinean politics. Rodríguez Saá, the
Peronist candidate my own group supported critically during the campaign,
seems to have been shattered by "electoral defeat", and my silence may be
understood as an indication that I have been shattered with
- Original Message -
From: "Jurriaan Bendien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> "The real disagreement between Keynes and Hayek was identified by Keynes...
> (as being about) the question of knowing where to draw the line between
> intervention and non-intervention. Keynes's criticism of Hayek was th
"He's a nice fellow. You can't find a better fraternity brother."
-- Sen. Ernest Hollings, about Pres. Bush-2.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Right. What about airline tickets? There are ways around such laws.
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:58:50PM -0700, andie nachgeborenen wrote:
> Price discrimination is an antitrust violation -- the
> statute is the Robinson-Patman Act -- that can expose
> the defendant to treble damages in a civil ac
Family shot dead by panicking US troops
Firing blindly during a power cut, soldiers kill a father and three
children in their car
The Independent, By Justin Huggler in Baghdad
10 August 2003
The abd al-Kerim family didn't have a chance. American soldiers opened
fire on their car with no warning a
I wrote:
>> But in this particular battle of definitions, I agree with
>> all the Yoshies out there. They call "anarchism" what Mr.
>> Marx would call "democracy."
>
>I think it's useful to avoid mushing concepts together that way.
I don't see that as "mushing." I see it as evolving language.
Bu
I am not going to start, but this a rule that is not
applied to any other discussion, that no one is not
permitted to make a point that Michael thinks has been
made before at some point. If I wanted to discuss the
well worn territory of how markets are BAD, this rule
would not apply. And of course
> Geez, Jim...
>
> This should be some kind of Lefty U. screening test.
>
> Ken.
The Frankfurters produced the F-test (F for fascism) that tested for the presence of
the authoritarian personality. (It seems to be an intellectual precursor of the study
that the GUARDIAN reports on.) So only t
Michael Perelman wrote:
> I missed this the first time, but this Hitler stuffdoes not belong here.
I agree with you entirely. "Melvin P.", whoever that is, typically imputes
to me statements and opinions which I do not hold, and then he tells me to
"shut up" or "prove something" I am not even con
Karl Kautsky : Imperialism and the War
Source: International Socialist Review, November 1914
Translated: William E. Bohn
Transcribed: for marxists.org, March, 2002
"If imperialism were necessary to the continued existence of the capitalist
method of production-these arguments against it would make
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The Road to Serfdom
> Actually, there are three things. Humor is also forbidden.
>
===
"There is no 3rd thing!" [Monty Py
"General Winter" won three in Russia.
But I wonder if all three were not really won by "Russian feudalism."
Feudalist culture (declining or not) had the singular ability to absorb
massive blows to the communications infrastructure without collapsing.
(That's why they had fiefdoms... and created k
My understanding is that the reason why Michael Perelman opposes pen-l discussions of
"market socialism" is (1) we've had them before, mostly killing the subject, and (2)
they degenerated into a tone similar to the one below.
That said, I see nothing wrong with a pen-l discussion of "market so
Devine, James wrote:
I don't see what the point of giving policy advice to governments is
when the force outside the government that could counteract the
political power of the existing elite is extremely weak. That is, if
labor and other opposition forces are really weak -- as in China --
why sho
My assumption is that a socialist revolution will have
to be made by the workers themselves--to paraphrase
the principles of the First International. As most
wage-slaves are not revolutionary, leadership would
come from those workers who are class conscious. In
short, communist workers lead non-r
I looked at the Cal. Sec. of State's site, which only lists the 2002 candidates.
It's useful to know that Gary Coleman (of the TV sit-com Diffrent Strokes) and
Gallagher (of watermelons) are running, along with Angelyne (who's famous for being
famous).
Jim Devine [EMAI
Doug Henwood wrote:
>
> Devine, James wrote:
>
> > >I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet.<
> >
> >in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the "Empire thesis"?
>
> What's relevant here is that imperial power is far more dispersed and
> polycentric than the old-fashioned Washington
No. It was not my intention to open a thread.
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:56:20AM +0200, Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
> Michael, if you want to open another thread, go ahead... my own philosophy
> is that the whole problem or "art" is how one can thread a thread into
> another thread that ties a solid
I always like to see the words "urban myth" used when talking about
academics. So much of accepted stuff is "legendary."
The connectedness of the world via the Net was always lauded in academia
and SEC prospective alike. While I think Stanley Milgram was brilliant,
things ain't really that differe
Farm deal puts WTO talks at risk
Washington-Brussels pact angers developing world by backtracking on
subsidies
Charlotte Denny and Andrew Osborn in Brussels
Thursday August 14, 2003
The Guardian
A battle between the west and the developing world at next month's World
Trade Organisation meeting i
Geez, Jim...
This should be some kind of Lefty U. screening test.
Ken.
--
The advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several
times the same good things for the first time.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
>Devine, James wrote:
>> what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists su
I am commenting on selected passages from an article that can be read in
its entirety at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1016107,00.html
Reformist social democracy is no longer on the agenda
The anti-globalisation movement is the basis of a left alternative
Fausto Bertinotti
The a
Devine, James wrote:
>I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet.<
in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the "Empire thesis"?
What's relevant here is that imperial power is far more dispersed and
polycentric than the old-fashioned Washington/Hollywood/Wall Street
rules the world mo
On ABC world news tonight, the lead story was about how the "arms dealer"
in the news yesterday was nothing of the sort. He was a failing textile
merchant who was convinced by US agents to buy missiles that didn't exist
and sell them to customers that did not exist. Reporter Brian Ross said
that if
WTO
Countdown to Cancun
SUKUMAR MURALIDHARAN
The WTO Ministerial Conference at Cancun could mark the demise of
multilateralism if the United States persists with its approach of picking
trade partners on the basis of their political quiescence.
THE economist Jagdish Bhagwati, who has perhaps th
there are two major differences that I can see in the US legal definition of price
discrimination (below) and the economist's definition are
1) anti-trust law only applies to interstate commerce, right? thus, it wouldn't apply
to a local
business such as a movie theater.
2) more importantly,
Deficit Strains Pension Agency
Guaranteed Benefits in No Danger Now, but Long-Term Worry Grows
By Albert B. Crenshaw
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 8, 2003; Page E01
Ten years ago, the government agency that insures traditional corporate
pension plans racked up record deficits. Some
At 9:11 AM -0400 8/12/03, Kenneth Campbell wrote:
the next unifying revolutionary force will be green, not red.
I'd prefer Red, Black, and Green together (the colors of
revolutionary socialism, anarchism, and environmentalism), also the
colors of the pan-African Black Liberation Flag.
At 9:11 AM -0
Jeez, I'm losing it. I wrote:
See for instance her essay "Stagnation and Progress of Marxism" (1903),
first published in 1927 by David Riazanov,
the original director of the Marx-Engels Institute founded in 1920 in
Moscow.
Should be:
See for instance her essay "Stagnation and Progress of Marxism
Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote:
Should we be building more of our critique on contemporary
international developments by focusing on the dangers of export-led
growth as a strategy of development. I was surprised when in Cuba to
find so many economists there in awe of China's export led growth and
ea
from BusinessWeek, Au. 18-25, 2003:
The Greening of Pension Plans
Cash-strapped U.S. steel (X ) may have hit on a solution for companies
scrounging for the dough to pump up pension funds that were recently
flattened by the stock market's slide. Just sign over some forests -- or
other valuable ass
Jesus... Lou... You okay?
None the less, the "letter to the editor" Marxism is not sufficient for
my family. Writing things doesn't work alone.
Ken.
>-Original Message-
>From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Louis
>Proyect
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:56 PM
>To: [EMAI
"I was always dreaming about very powerful people, dictators, people
like Jesus, being remembered for thousands of years." -- Arnold
Schwartzenegger
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Monday, August 11, 2003
Sharing the risk for 7E7
Partners and suppliers expected to bear more costs for Boeing
By JAMES WALLACE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER AEROSPACE REPORTER
Not willing to "bet the company" on the development of its next all-new
jetliner as it has done with past planes such as t
JKS writes>I concede it, marketsa re
BAD, or maybe good in theory but BAD in practice,
whatever. Democracy will make everything great.
Efficiency is a bourgeois notion. <
I never said that anything was "BAD." In fact, that was the point of what I said,
i.e., that I never said that markets were b
Investment fever is running too high, says China
Jonathan Watts in Beijing
Thursday August 14, 2003
The Guardian
A senior Chinese minister warned yesterday that the world's fastest
growing economy is in danger of overheating as expansion outstrips power
supplies, threatens production quality and
The guy in the race to get behind is Jack Grisham,
formerly with the Dead Kennedys. Drugs, feh. Doesn't
everybody in California do drugs?
max
Kill the Poor (DKs)
Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away w
You don't understand. There are two thins Michael has
forbidden on pen-l. One is rudeness. The other is
discussion of market socialism. Markets are BAD, that
is settled, leftist economists don't have to think
about that any more -- and on pen-l, they can't talk
about it. I am too tired and busy to
In a message dated 8/7/03 9:54:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Okay, fair enough, I'm playing by your rules. You are correct, Melvin is
some kind of socialist, and I should control my temper when posting.
However, I am not putting anybody in my killfile, I do not have one, e
Economic dispatch
Staying afloat on state life raft
The French government's aid to a beleaguered engineering company has
Brussels concerned, says David Gow
Monday August 11, 2003
The Guardian
Alstom, the French engineering group desperately trying to stay afloat,
highlights the dilemma facing E
my feeling is that for a book to have a big impact, it has to "fall on a fertile
field." That is, the societal situation -- including the balance of class forces --
has to be such that people are looking for the kinds of ideas that the book presents.
Jim Devine [EMAIL P
When I pick up my WSJ from the lawn in the morning I find it very thin.
Those big biznesses aint spending on print advertising.
Gene Coyle
Lou --
I hesitate to write... but I must state...
I know you are smart... But these "ambush" letters in which you ask a
question and copy it to a list... is not right. Private is private.
Ken.
--
Literature is the art of writing something that will be
read twice; journalism what will be read on
It might depend on your definition of "finds." I bet that he "finds"
something awful once the election starts to heat up.
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:21:08PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> If he verifiably finds or meaningfully helps find
> whatever it is that also verifiably is confirmed to
Michael Yates was interviewed today on our program
Living Room -- the archived audio can be found at
www.livingroomradio.org -- on why Marxism has greater
explanatory power than neoclassical economics (see
below). And although he was on NPR's Talk of the
Nation last week, we had booked him long be
Officials confirm dropping firebombs on Iraqi troops
Results are 'remarkably similar' to using napalm
By James W. Crawley
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
August 5, 2003
American jets killed Iraqi troops with firebombs - similar to the
controversial napalm used in the Vietnam War - in March and Ap
At 6:24 PM -0700 8/13/03, michael wrote:
Doug Henwood wrote:
> michael wrote:
> >Business Week describes GM becoming almost entirely dependent on its
>finance unit. I recall seeing something similar about Ford.
A few years ago, Ford was making money on its finance division and
breaking even
I just ran across this quote from Richard Clarida of the Treasury Dept.
"We tend to think of automatic stabilizers in textbook
Keynesian terms, but a new automatic stabilizer for the
United States is the interaction between
long-term interest rates and mortgage refinancing."
I wonder what he will
At 11:37 AM -0400 8/11/03, Doug Henwood wrote:
So, my point is that this kind of strategy is not one that we
should be endorsing as providing a real framework for general
advancement of working class interests.
Well yeah, but how? Suppose you were advising the S Korean
government - what would you s
Ken writes: >Democracy would be the color of the ruling cohort. Everyone is a
democrat, even Hitler.<
everyone is a democrat _in theory_ or _in rhetoric_. The point is to be a democrat _in
practice_, _in reality_.
Jim
I just read a story a few days ago (Buzzflash ???) detailing Rove's
involvement. This time Rove's strategy is capable of uniting all the
Repugs -- at least so far.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:25:50AM -0700, Devine, James wrote:
> >"I have believed from Day 1 that the White House is involved [in or
Jim writes:
>is there a color which represents democracy? I'd prefer
>democracy to anarchism (which precludes democracy).
Democracy would be the color of the ruling cohort. Everyone is a democrat, even Hitler.
Anarchism is okay... if you have the other two sides of the flag supporting it.
Ken.
The article on imperialism Kautsky published on the eve of world war 1, was
published in New Left Review. See:
Ultra-Imperialism, by Karl Kautsky, NLR I/59, January-February 1970, pp.
41-6.
In the "classical" tradition, Ernest Mandel's critique of Kautsky's idea can
be found in his book Late Capi
It's pretty amusing these days. We've got the European accent brigade (Arnold the
Terminator from Austria vs. Arianna Huffington from Greece) and Larry Flynt. After
Larry Flynt, what need is there to say more?
Huffington is interesting. She financed her husband's extremely conservative run for
Well, I don't know whether markets are BAD; they're just not as good as
human intelligence and good will.
Joanna
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
You don't understand. There are two thins Michael has
forbidden on pen-l. One is rudeness. The other is
discussion of market socialism. Markets are BAD, that
Hi Grant,
Well there is a lot surrounding the issue but I would say first of all
that the left should be careful to endorse a strategy of growth that
promotes exports in one country at the expense of worker well-being in
others. So, rather than just see China as practicing some wonderful
economic
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JKS refers to > the well worn territory of how
> markets are BAD<
>
> actually, my understanding is that (except for Mike
> B), the main trend of the anti-"market socialism"
> side was not that markets are "BAD." (Could you
> name someone who says t
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