Doug
And why should the SK or Chinese masses listen to a critique if we've
got no idea of what to put in place of the status quo?
I would hope that any leftists who lived in China or S. Korea (rather than foreign
gringos like yours truly) would listen to organized elements of the opposition
the one thing that all anarchists seem to agree with is that centralized government
(the state) should be abolished -- as soon as possible. But without a centralized
govt, how do people deal with issues that affect us all, e.g., global warming? how do
we prevent the neighboring anarchist
INTRO: I knew Bob Hunter fairly well in a previous incarnation. Bob
co-founded Greenpeace. His column appeared weekly. He wrote often about
global warming. It was humorous to see his winter columns about global
warming run during some terrible winter storms -- humorous to read the
mail responses
Maybe I'm not reading carefully enough, but did you answered Doug's question about
what your alternative would be? You say what you would not advise them to do, but
that's really not an answer. I'm sure they could come up all by themselves lots of
reasons why what their approach has serious
Well, I have used this term Left and leftism, but I don't really like it.
For me, left and right essentially refer to a distinction within bourgeois
and petty-bourgeois politics, the so-called dries on the one hand who deny
the existence of the social question, and the so-called wets on the other
The quote is from the movie Pumping Iron, a Schwarzendegger classic.
See further: http://slate.msn.com/id/2074008/
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:45 AM
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source,
source, please.
max
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James
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:11 PM
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Subject: quote du jour
I was always dreaming about very powerful people, dictators, people
like Jesus, being remembered
Yoshie wrote:
I'd prefer Red, Black, and Green together (the colors of
revolutionary socialism, anarchism, and environmentalism),
also the colors of the pan-African Black Liberation Flag.
Sounds good to me. I adopt that as my flag.
But don't tell anyone I agree with you. I would hate to be
Devine, James wrote:
Finally, I'm confused: Doug, you say that the system isn't one of
competition among major powers anymore but also point to dispersed
and polycentric power. Where are the centers of power that are
competing with the US if not in the core? China?
I said that there was little
China and market socialism
Concerning China in particular, Jim Devine wrote:
Rather than discussing market socialism, I think it would be worth
pen-l's while to discuss Charlie Andrews' proposal for competing
not-for-profit enterprises (in his FROM CAPITALISM TO EQUALITY).
The last two chapters
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:00 PM
Subject: [PEN-L] green pensions?
from BusinessWeek, Au. 18-25, 2003:
The Greening of Pension Plans
Cash-strapped U.S. steel (X ) may have hit on a solution for
I went to see Terminator 3 tonight, it was kind of circumstantial. But I
don't think many people will remember it in ten years time. Spectacular
stunts though, and some wickedly funny sets. I got out of the theatre
without being eaten.
Alternative quotes:
1. I don't want to achieve immortality
A trap set for protesters Michael Hardt
Friday February 21, 2003
The Guardian
full: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,899852,00.html
HARDT: Corresponding in part to the new US anti-Europeanism, there is
today in Europe and across the world a growing anti-Americanism. In
particular,
NY Times, August 10, 2003
U.S. Moved to Undermine Iraqi Military Before War
By DOUGLAS JEHL with DEXTER FILKINS
WASHINGTON, Aug. 9 The United States military, the Central Intelligence
Agency and Iraqi exiles began a broad covert effort inside Iraq at least
three months before the war to forge
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From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But the February 15th demonstrations were mounted despite the grumbling
of Michael Hardt that it was diverting attention from the real
movement, namely anti-globalization.
=
[Oh really? And
http://www.us.cgey.com/DownloadLibrary/files/FSI_WorldWealthReport2003.pdf
Reformist social democracy is no longer on the agenda
The anti-globalisation movement is the basis of a left alternative
Fausto Bertinotti
Monday August 11, 2003/The Guardian
The terrible events in Iraq marked the end of the post-war period - a
period marked by the memory of the horrors of the
Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote:
The difficulty in export-led development certainly should be clear in
the case of Mexico. It succeeded over the 1990s in attracting lots of
fdi and export growth. But at the cost of hollowing out its domestic
industry. Now a bit of wage growth and rising
Michael Hardt wrote:
It is unfortunate but inevitable that much of the energies that
had been active in the globalisation protests have now at least
temporarily been redirected against the war. We need to oppose this war,
but we must also look beyond it and avoid being drawn into the trap of
its
I wanted to also focus on another part of the Chinese experience, that
is the Chinese success in export growth. Interesting, and not really
surprisingly given IMF pressures and debt pressures, every East Asian
country affected by the economic crisis in 97-98 is more dependent on
exports for
From MS SLATE's on-line summary of major US newspapers:
While the NY [TIMES] reported yesterday that the fall of Baghdad was
aided by Iraqi turncoats, the LA [TIMES] cites another reason on Page
One this morning: the self-destruction of the Iraqi army. Citing
former Iraqi commanders and
Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote:
I would say the problem is on the other side, that many leftists no
longer appreciate the dangers and underlying contradictory dynamics of
export-led growth and see it as a strategy that is complementary and
consistent with stable growth and improved living and
I think such stale jargon as a lot of leftists, a lot of marxists,
etc. should be eliminated. They are always offensive, and almost always
block intelligent discussion. Besides, they suggest a mind rather empty
of contents on the part of their user.
Carrol
Quoting Anders Schneiderman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Maybe I'm not reading carefully enough, but did you answered Doug's
question about what your alternative would be? You say what you
would not advise them to do, but that's really not an answer. I'm
sure they could come up all by themselves
. The accumulated external debt of the world's richest country, the United
States of America, is equal to $2.2 trillion. This is almost the exact
amount owed by the whole of the developing world, including India, China and
Brazil - $2.5 trillion.
. In other words, three hundred million people
On Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:20 PM I wrote:
as is Michael Savage (a blatant racist and a generally idiotic
person).
Not to be confused in that case with Michael Joseph Savage, the first
New
Zealand Labour Party Prime Minister in 1935.
My comment may be at least partially mistaken. In the
I cannot imagine that I any of my colleague could be trained well enough
to go to China and to function as such a high level in such a distant
culture.
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 12:09:02PM -0700, Eubulides wrote:
Why would you be astounded?
Ian
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
Nice weather we're having this summer, eh?
jks
Maybe you are having a nice weather there but it is
quite hot here in Istanbul. As I see it, we are on
our road to fascism.
I find it amazing that the Western media is so silent
about the recent developments in Turkey.
I don't find the topic of
Marty's note is exactly the sort of a discussion I would have liked to have
seen in the earlier discussions about market socialism. Rather than making
absolute statements or talking about examples where emotion runs ahead of
rationality, he offers an excellent case study.
One question I have
By this criterion we would need ruthless destruction
of many threads.
I'd also like to have an example of a thread that
went somewhere, as opposed to nowhere.
from erewhon,
mbs
Right. If someone had something to say that has not already been said
here, fine, but the discussion the last few
Man o man...
Wild scenes inside the gold mine.
Thank god for car batteries. I never would have been able to find out
anything. (Must keep supply of batteries in house... Must keep supply of
batteries in house... Must keep supply of batteries in house...)
Seriously, though, this system is as
But that is crazy. Not all markets are bad ! Marx did not argue this, nor
did any Marxist revolutionary who actually was involved in a successful
revolution. If you did argue this, then that would imply capitalism has
meant no economic progress at all in any way, which is a ridiculous and
I am still trying to figure out what happened. TV is out. Radio is
repeating same stuff. CNN site didn't work, last I tried it. CBC.ca is
repeating CBC Radio. Anyone outside the zone of collapse with better
data?
I wrote:
but the authorities were absolutely useless.
The height of the stupidity,
http://www.levy.org/docs/ppb/ppb73.pdf
Public Policy Brief Summary
Asset and Debt Deflation in the United States
How Far Can Equity Prices Fall?
No. 73, 2003
Philip Arestis and Elias Karakitsos
In an asset and debt deflation, the process of reducing debt by saving and
curtailing spending
If you're a big fan of Philip K. Dick, perhaps you might wish to subject
yourself to Weird Scenes Inside the Godmind, I'm not in a position to
comment on that. However, if your looking for a good, entertaining, coherent
story you'll have to look elsewhere. So if you want some weird scenes, turn
up
considering the source, this is pretty radical:
August 7, 2003/New York Times
Despair of the Jobless
By BOB HERBERT
The folks who put the voodoo back in economics keep telling us that
prosperity is just around the corner. For the unemployed, that would
mean more jobs. Are there more jobs just
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From: Kenneth Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am still trying to figure out what happened. TV is out. Radio is
repeating same stuff. CNN site didn't work, last I tried it. CBC.ca is
repeating CBC Radio. Anyone outside the zone of collapse with better
data?
Yeah, I botched Mr. Morrison's lyrics. Shows you how rattled I was.
There's danger on the edge of town,
Ride the king's highway.
Weird scenes inside the goldmine;
ride the king's highway west, baby.
Lemme tell ya, I was more than ready to ride the highway west, baby.
But, then, friends in
Return of recession dashes German hopes
Stagnant economy defies Schröder's reform efforts · Investment bank's fate
in the balance
David Gow, industrial editor
Friday August 15, 2003
The Guardian
Germany sank into recession in the first half of this year, dragging
Italy, Holland and most of the
Okay, fair enough, I'm playing by your rules. You are correct, Melvin is
some kind of socialist, and I should control my temper when posting.
However, I am not putting anybody in my killfile, I do not have one, except
in the sense that I block mails from certain verbally abusive individuals. I
am
You are one helluva good man, Euble.
I appear to have missed it, or be caught between the replay and
conference. I will check it out on replay, though.
Many, many thanks.
Ken.
--
He took a face from the ancient gallery,
And he walked on down the hall.
-- Jim Morrison
Ah, the vaunted efficiency of capitalism.
Paul P
Quoting Kenneth Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I am still trying to figure out what happened. TV is out. Radio is
repeating same stuff. CNN site didn't work, last I tried it. CBC.ca is
repeating CBC Radio. Anyone outside the zone of collapse with
If you put a spaniard in the works do you get a frankfurter?
Gene
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
a classic book that in some ways summarizes the Frankfurt school viewpoint
for me is Orwell's _1984_, where there is total domination and no hope.
Well, the domination is not total,
In a message dated 8/7/03 10:31:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My democracy is a life force - praxis. I have pen and will travel. This California thing is exciting and dangerous. I will go to work because electoral democracy means contacting people and creating the next
Of course there are ways around such laws. That's what
they pay me all this money for! But they are not
foolproof, and litigation is a cost (a very
substantial cost -- they do pay us lots and los of
money) ans also a risk. You might lose and get stuck
with treble damages. That would be very bad.
But if someone shows u what is verifiably a tree and claims that it was
there all along the persons background is relevant to determining whether
that is true or whether he or she likely had it planted in order to convince
u that it was there. Of course a person's interests and background do not
If I like Arnold in particular fictional movies, that doesn't mean
automatically I support him as a non-fiction political actor. A fictional
movie is essentially a fantasy. But the governorship of California is not a
fantasy, it is a real political responsibility for real people living real
lives.
It depends how far away the spaniard is from the
Frankfurter.
J.
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Frankfurters
If you put a spaniard in the works do you get a
[Federal Register: August 7, 2003 (Volume 68, Number 152)]
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Part II
Dear Friends,
I hope you
find the following note of interest and will forward it to relevant lists
and individuals.
in
solidarity,
michael
Report on Venezuelan Labour: the Process Continues
Michael A. Lebowitz
8 August 2003
Nationalise
the Banks! Take over
All Argentina needs is a few latter-day Lenins who can write a What is to be Done
updated for the current
struggle.
do you think that writing a book can have that big an effect?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
[This headline is a little more alarmist than the article. Depending on
timing, this delay mechanism could turn out to be a good thing, delaying
the deflationary shock to China until it could bear the full weight of
adjustment the US needs. Although of course it also go the other way; the
delay
I wrote: I think it's useful to avoid mushing concepts together that way.
Ken: I don't see that as mushing. I see it as evolving language.
I don't think we should go with the linguistic flow. Instead, we should try to use
language as clearly as possible (by being clear about our own
Fame is a fickle food
Upon a shifting plate,
Whose table once a Guest, but not
The second time, is set.
Whose crumbs the crows inspect,
And with ironic caw
Flap past it to the Farmer's corn;
Men eat of it and die.
- Emily Dickinson
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From: Kenneth Campbell [EMAIL
Doug Henwood wrote:
When I interviewed Naomi Klein, who spent most of the past year in
Argentina, she said that there were so many sectarian Trot parties
trying to tell the spontaneous mass assemblies what to do that they
turned lots of people off from politics. Instead of following the
vanguard
http://www.federalreserve.gov/fomc/minutes/20030625.htm
Minutes of the Federal Open Market Committee
June 24-25, 2003
A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in the offices of
the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System in Washington, D.C.,
starting on Tuesday, June 24,
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