The Soviet Union was defeated, as was the Ottoman Empire before it
and Yugoslavia after it -- first economically, later politically
(mainly from inside the the Soviet Union, its multinational elites
acting against its multinational masses) or with a combined
political, economic, and military war
I wrote:
On the subject of foreign fighters in Chechnya, I
should have added that, if memory serves, both the
Kremlin and the various rebel sources put the number
of foreigners in Chechnya at any given time at about
200. So, it's not a lot (given that there are
supposedly about 1,500 full-time figh
On the subject of foreign fighters in Chechnya, I
should have added that, if memory serves, both the
Kremlin and the various rebel sources put the number
of foreigners in Chechnya at any given time at about
200. So, it's not a lot (given that there are
supposedly about 1,500 full-time fighters). Bu
Melvyn's story about his dealings with the red necks at the workplace illustrate the
degree of skill required to navigate the class divide. No easy answers in this
regard.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecs
Chris wrote:
Look at the post-Soviet situation in the early 90s. The Union falls
apart, and you immediately start having all these bloody ethnic
conflicts around its former borders: Armenians vs. Azerbaijanis,
Georgians vs. Abkhazians and Ossetians, Romanians vs. Russians,
Ossetians vs. Ingush... T
--- michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This was the problem that I was referring to when I
> was trying to
> describe a progression of fragmentations. I first
> began to think about
> this sort of problem when Lebanon began to fall
> apart. At first, it
> seemed to be a religious division, bu
In a message dated 7/31/2004 4:17:43 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>I remember trying to speak with the boyfriend of my first
wife's mother. He worked in a gas station. He was not stupid, but he
was angry. He directed much of this anger at Blacks, but I think he wa
In a message dated 7/31/2004 7:33:32 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>As I recall DuBois and James Jackson produced the best
articles on the national question (especially as it regarded African Americans)
for PA in the 1950s, all of which broke with the "Black-belt thes
In a message dated 7/31/2004 7:33:32 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would be interested to learn which articles in PA you
considered valuable and those which you found unhelpful on the subject of the
national question. As I recall DuBois and James Jackson produced th
little reflection, I think this is a pretty naive way
of considering the situation.
Who gets to determine Chechnya's status?
There is no a priori answer to the question. For instance,
Palestinians are divided in several ways: those who live in Israel as
its second-class citizens, those who liv
Waistline2 wrote:
In my estimate the American Marxists are the least qualified amongst world
Marxists when dealing with the national factor. Between 1973 and I978 I had
compiled much of the writings on the national factor in our history using a
collection of roughly 30 years of Political Affairs as
Melvyn posed posed one of the truly difficult challenges that the left faces:
learning how to learn from the masses at the same time as we supply them with
information. Listening is a very difficult skill. I remember trying to speak with
the boyfriend of my first wife's mother. He worked in a ga
Ours is a war for position and ideological and political
statements are converted into policy . . . in real time. Who determines "what"
is the great war of attribution and will. If we win over no we lose by default.
We cannot win over any segment of our working class on the
basis of ideol
This was the problem that I was referring to when I was trying to
describe a progression of fragmentations. I first began to think about
this sort of problem when Lebanon began to fall apart. At first, it
seemed to be a religious division, but then I began to realize that
there were divisions wi
In a message dated 7/31/2004 8:22:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>In 1991, Grozny's population was about 50% non-Chechen. The Nautsky
district in Chechnya was about 75% non-Chechen, mostly Russians, Ukrainians and
Cossacks who lived there since the 15th century. Thos
--- Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris,
and Chechens
(as well as East Timorese, Albanians in Kosovo, etc.
from recent
history) have the right to self-determination.
---
Yoshie, upon a little reflection, I think this is a
pretty naive w
--- Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If Kurds, Kashmiris, Chechens, etc. exercised the
right to
self-determination, would that necessarily result in
the breakup of
Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, India, and Russia?
Presumably, they could
very well choose to remain part of the countries in
wh
Michael Perelman,
Some posters on this list have expressed their support for the
breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. I would like
know what is your personal opinion in this matter.
Ulhas
The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris, and Chechens
(as well as East Timores
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
>
> Michael Perelman,
>
> Some posters on this list have expressed their support
> for the breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria
> and Turkey. I would like know what is your personal
> opinion in this matter.
>
It is a (sort of) interesting _academic_ pursuit for leftis
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
>
> Some posters on this list have expressed their support
> for the breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria
> and Turkey.
>
this is a bit of an unfair characterization, especially if it refers to
my contributions on these threads. i should probably check the archives
fir
Michael Perelman wrote:
> I don't have any simple answers.
Please unsubscribe me from your list.
Ulhas
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I don't have any simple answers. On the one hand, fragmentation makes for
inefficiencies.
On the other hand, the larger the extent of the central government, a greater number of
minority groups might find themselves oppressed.
Even if you fragment the state, you'll probably find even smaller eth
Michael Perelman,
Some posters on this list have expressed their support
for the breakup of Russia, India, Iran, Iraq, Syria
and Turkey. I would like know what is your personal
opinion in this matter.
Ulhas
Yahoo! India Ma
Michael Perelman wrote:
> Writing about the transfer of wealth to the rich in the US, would it
> be fair to say, "United States has witnessed in recent decades what
> is probably largest transfer of wealth and income in the history of
> the world -- larger than what occurred during the Russian or C
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:20:16 -0700
Subject: [PEN-L] question for the list
>
> Writing about the transfer of wealth to the rich in the US, would it be fair to say,
> "United States has witnessed in recent decades what is probably largest transfer of
> wealth and incom
Writing about the transfer of wealth to the rich in the US, would it be fair to say,
"United States has witnessed in recent decades what is probably largest transfer of
wealth and income in the history of the world -- larger than what occurred during the
Russian or Chinese revolutions."
--
Michae
Hey, thanks.
I have to chuckle when I see the official stats on income in Russia. The Moscow
Mayor's Office says that average Muscovite income is $300 a month. If you factor in
pensioners, that might be true, but most Muscovites wouldn't get out of bed for that
little money. Maybe university st
sorry forgot the links!
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_economy/ESA95_Exhaustiveness.pdf
more statistical fun:
"Prostitution itself is not illegal within the UK.
However, most of the activities associated with
prostitution (e.g. soliciting) are illegal. Value added
from prostitution
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:00:23 +0300, "Chris Doss" wrote:
>
> Does anybody know how per capita income figures are
> usually calculated for countries like Russia, which
> have a large shadow economy in which workers are paid
> under the table and off the books? Thanks.
Not actually as uncommon as you
Does anybody know how per capita income figures are usually calculated for countries
like Russia, which have a large shadow economy in which workers are paid under the
table and off the books? Thanks.
Official income figures for Russia have always baffled me. How do you calculate them
when unde
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:52:38 -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
>
> Michael Dawson wrote:
> >I did not call you an FBI agent on LBO-talk, though I
> did say you have penis
> >envy regarding Doug Henwood.
>
Time to resubscribe to lbo-talk
dd
Michael Dawson wrote:
I did not call you an FBI agent on LBO-talk, though I did say you have penis
envy regarding Doug Henwood.
No, you told me this in private mail. Plus, you told me that you never
wanted to get any mail from me again. So frankly I found your query on
pen-l to be a provocation. I
s unsustainable" to answer my question.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Question for Louis Proyect
>
>
>
t" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Question for Louis Proyect
> You have some fucking nerve interrogating me. You wrote me that I was
> probably an FBI agent and accused me of "penis envy"
In a message dated 11/30/03 12:25:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In what sense do you mean your claim that "urban life is unsustainable?" Do you mean we need better cities, or that cities themselves have to go? Please clarify. Your 11/27 posting appears to argue again
I have no idea what brought this on, but it is not acceptable here. Lou
knows that. I have no idea about penis envy, but whatever goes on on
other lists need not concern us here.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 03:53:47PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
> You have some fucking nerve interrogating me. You w
You have some fucking nerve interrogating me. You wrote me that I was
probably an FBI agent and accused me of "penis envy" on LBO-Talk because I
wrote a critique of Henwood's Nation Magazine article. If I ever get out to
Portland to look up some old friends, I might drop into see you and let you
sa
Dear Mr. Proyect: In what sense do you mean
your claim that "urban life is unsustainable?" Do you mean we need better
cities, or that cities themselves have to go? Please clarify. Your
11/27 posting appears to argue against the continued existence of urban living
of any kind. True or f
- Original Message -
From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This is getting to be like that famous scene from the movie "Spartacus,"
> except that everyone is _denying_ being the pen-l equivalent of Spartacus,
> i.e. Gene.
>
I'm not Gene Coyle either but I'll simu
Title: RE: Question for Gene Coyle
This is getting to be like that famous scene from the movie "Spartacus," except that everyone is _denying_ being the pen-l equivalent of Spartacus, i.e. Gene.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lm
Cal. revenue bonds were recently downgraded though. I am not Gene Coyle
either.
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:54:19PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I would have thought the same, but California's biggest muni issuance the end
> of last year carried with it only a 1.8% interest rate. Of cours
In a message dated 3/3/2003 1:15:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not Gene Coyle, but according to Jackie Goldberg, a progressive Democratic member of the legislature, none. It's the rate-payers (those who pay for power) not the tax-payers who are paying for the mess.
I
Title: re: [PEN-L:35204] Question for Gene Coyle
I'm not Gene Coyle, but according to Jackie Goldberg, a progressive Democratic member of the legislature, none. It's the rate-payers (those who pay for power) not the tax-payers who are paying for the mess.
I disagree slightly (thoug
How much damage did the California energy crisis do to the current
state budget deficit?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>I think it's because while Ernst and Bellofiore had emphasized
>dynamic value alone long ago, it was becoming clear that there was a
>sharp divide between temporalists and simultaneists, and many of the
>bombastic dismissals of Marx in regards in particular to the falling
>rate/mass of prof
Greetings Economists,
I've said before as many who know me will attest that various attacks
against the left are frequently framed as the insanity of the other person,
in order to portray the marginalization of that person in the manner of what
actually happens to disabled people who get throw
I left the heading alone only to remind you that such subject headings are
usually a bad sign in themselves. As to the RRPE affair, those that know
cannot tell and those that tell, as far as I can see, don't know. Let's
drop that.
As to the personal questions vis a vis Andrew K., they don't bel
could someone please post an abstract of the Andrew Kliman article that
was rejected by the REVIEW OF RADICAL POLITICAL ECONOMICS that started
all this brouhaha?
I want to see if it's worth the "if you're not for me, you're against
me" rhetoric I hear from one side. Jim Devine
No you don't.
mb
>
>I think it's because while Ernst and Bellofiore had emphasized
>dynamic value alone long ago, it was becoming clear that there was a
>sharp divide between temporalists and simultaneists, and many of the
>bombastic dismissals of Marx in regards in particular to the falling
>rate/mass of prof
>could someone please post an abstract of the Andrew Kliman article that
>was rejected by the REVIEW OF RADICAL POLITICAL ECONOMICS that started
>all this brouhaha?
>
>I want to see if it's worth the "if you're not for me, you're against
>me" rhetoric I hear from one side.
>
>Jim Devine
Again, Ji
could someone please post an abstract of the Andrew Kliman article that
was rejected by the REVIEW OF RADICAL POLITICAL ECONOMICS that started
all this brouhaha?
I want to see if it's worth the "if you're not for me, you're against
me" rhetoric I hear from one side.
Jim Devine
>Rakesh,
>
>I would like proof (or at least a better argument) that Kliman was "banned"
>because of his politics. Your argument appears to be: Kliman has a particular
>politics; Kliman was banned; therefore, Kliman was banned because of his
>politics."
>
>I'll say again,
>>Perhaps Rakesh can expla
Eric,
As I said, it looks extremely suspicious that a ban was imposed on
Kliman simply because he may or may not have circulated a mss
elsewhere after (for goodness' stake) RRPE rejected it the first
time. He could have been warned, chastized, the rules could have been
clarified, etc. But a su
Rakesh wrote:
>And I shall say that it seems obvious to me . . that a ban was imposed on
>Kliman not because he was shopping a mss around at more than one
>journal . . .but because he is unlikeable and politically an unabashed
>defender of the economic theory of the proletariat.
Perhaps Rakesh
>In a recent post, Doug Henwood quoted the following:
>
>"the Editorial Board has removed the sanction denying Dr. Kliman
>the right to submit articles to RRPE for publication."
>
>and added sarcastically,
>
>"hey, it's important to get those value theory papers out there if
>we want to overturn b
Andrew ,
Is it your position that the "transformation problem" is a bit of a misnomer, because
Marx's point was that prices deviating unsystematically from value is what capitalism
must do because of exploitation ? So, that from the Marxist standpoint the failure to
find a mathematical functi
In 25 words or less, Andrew, what's your substantive claim and how will
knowledge of it contribute to doing away with capitalism?
Andrew Kliman wrote,
>There
>were about 200 anti-global-capitalist youth in the audience, plus
>a smattering of older folks. I gave a value-theoretic analysis of
>th
In a recent post, Doug Henwood quoted the following:
"the Editorial Board has removed the sanction denying Dr. Kliman
the right to submit articles to RRPE for publication."
and added sarcastically,
"hey, it's important to get those value theory papers out there if
we want to overturn bourgeois
>Well, for a start, do you think the experience of India and China (and for
>that matter East Asia) indicates that it's a good idea not to liberalize
>the capital account and to hold off with privatization?
The 1990s seems to indicate that you *can't* liberalize your capital
account unless you h
On Fri, 11 May 2001, Brad DeLong wrote:
> I, at least, would agree that if you have a bureaucracy that can
> successfully run a developmental state--that is, provide subsidies to
> companies that successfully export rather than companies run by the
> husband of the niece of the vice-minister, in
Brad wrote:
>Twelvefold increases in GDP per capita with no rise in income inequality
>over the first three decades after independence? Botswana's economy is
>unbalanced toward mining, and it has a ferocious case of Dutch disease
>because of its mining industry.
>
>But the overall record in ter
> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:16:30 -0700
> From: Brad DeLong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> But the ability to successfully run a developmental state appears to
> be confined to (a) East Asia, (b) Northwest Europe, (c) Mauritius,
> and (d) Botswana.
Chiming in from this side (3 hours f
At 12:16 PM 5/11/01 -0700, you wrote:
>> In
>>the former case, marketization seems to have dramatically improved the
>>rate of growth in living standards over the previous 20 years; in the
>>latter case, improvement on average looks closer to flat, with several
>>dramatic cases of reversal; and
Brad DeLong:
>Dominican Rep. 5.8%
As I have stated repeatedly, these GDP figures, stripped of historical and
social context, are utterly useless. There are one million Dominicans in
the USA and 8.2 million in their homeland. No other country in this
hemisphere has a higher emigration rate to the
>If, for the purposes of argument, we assume all the growth data are
>accurate and properly indicative, and restrict ourselves to the last 20
>years, the neoliberal argument seems to fare much better if one takes
>China and India as the rule, and Africa and Latin America as the
>exception, where t
15:01:42 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Michael Pollak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L:11321] Development Question for Brad
>
>
> If, for the purposes of argument, we assume all the growth data are
> accurate and prope
If, for the purposes of argument, we assume all the growth data are
accurate and properly indicative, and restrict ourselves to the last 20
years, the neoliberal argument seems to fare much better if one takes
China and India as the rule, and Africa and Latin America as the
exception, where the a
se.
The big increases in defense have yet to be rolled
out, pending the 'defense review' that is in progress
now.
max
-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Perelman
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now that Max has returned to the fold perhaps he can tell us what lies
hidden in the budget. Have the Democrats made much of the fact that the
budget counts revenues from drilling in ANWAR?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
Was there any fine print in the settlement with the pharmaceutical pirates
in S. Africa?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
always check out urban legends.com -- they're great for this crap!
Claim: Members of Congress receive lavish pensions but are not required
to contribute to the Social Security fund.
Status: False.
Origins: Before we launch into this latest piece of moral outrage, let's
synchronize our glo
Pen folk,
COuld someone help me refute this stuff. I take it to be part of the right
wing hype about the 'failure' of social security? But the thing about the
senators throws me. I wonder if this isn't an internet scam mailing?
Fwd: Want to get pissed?". [2001/02/01 19:46]
Sent: Friday, Janua
Interesting, I find in my notes several
other instances of this subject, but all
more than 2 decades old. I think Means
was the first to make this calculation.
Gardiner Means. 1931. "The Growth in the
Relative Importance of the Large
Corporation in American Life." American
Economic Review, 21, p
A query from Doug Orr
>--
>Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not to the list.
>Thanks,
>Doug Orr
>
> In Heilbroner's old principles book he had a great chapter on "the real
>world," which came before any discussion of theory. I still structure
>my course
Jeffrey Beatty wrote:
>Apropos of the latter, your comments express surprise at discovering that
>professional economists' notions of "natural" property rights are
>descendents of Locke's ideas about property rights. If you check out the
>early pages of the _Second Treatise of Government_, you
At 09:11 AM 12/18/00 -0800, Jim Devine wrote, responding to me:
>At 07:01 AM 12/18/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>I'm basically a plain old Bill Clinton Democrat,
>
>I won't ask about the Lincoln Bedroom.
>;-)
>
Probably a good idea. I hear the ghost of old Abe has been known to haunt it : )
Tha
Carrol wrote:
>I think Marx's analysis of capitalism *does* imply that capitalism
>periodically self-destructs -- and I think the history of the last 150
>years bears that out empirically.
Much as I think that events like the Great Depression of the 1930s and the
Great Stagflation of the 1970s
Jim Devine wrote:
> Colin writes:
> >1. Marx had a great many ideas about Capitalism and social science in
> >general, and much can be used even if you don't buy the notion that
> >capitalism blows up of its own accord (I don't).
>
> nor did Marx.
I agree with this substantially, but there are
CB wrote:
>
Ownership [under socialism] of the basic means of production
would be publicly owned.
<
If the firm or production unit that makes a milling machine
cannot put the machine at the door and tell the state, "There it
is, take it," then the firm must find a buyer for it. Another firm
must
Colin writes:
>1. Marx had a great many ideas about Capitalism and social science in
>general, and much can be used even if you don't buy the notion that
>capitalism blows up of its own accord (I don't).
nor did Marx.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine
Absolutely.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 05:01:38PM -0800, Colin Danby wrote:
>
> We're past diminishing returns, and I'll be away for a couple of weeks
> now. So real quickly:
>
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL P
To David:
We're past diminishing returns, and I'll be away for a couple of weeks
now. So real quickly:
1. Marx had a great many ideas about Capitalism and social science in
general, and much can be used even if you don't buy the notion that
capitalism blows up of its own accord (I don't). To p
Refocusing my questions:
1. I understand that Marx defines "economics" as a broad category. However,
within that general category, Marx analyzes the mechanics of the existing
free market/private property system and comes to certain conclusions, such
as it includes inherent contradictions th
Lisa & Ian Murray wrote:
> Does this mean we shouldn't quibble about the meaning[s] of democracy and
"The Enlightenment" and "democracy" pose radically different questions.
As Jim says, there really is no special argument over the reference of
the former; the question you raise is not over the
<
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/18/00 02:21PM >>>
Yes, I espouse market economics -- without the profit motive,
either capitalist or market socialist. Society can retain sites
of activity (firms) that are a source of initiative. They must
face the test of selling their products and services -- a marke
>
>I appreciate your antagonism to the Austrian school. I'll get out my silver
>bullets and my stake. The cult of H*yek & Mises (which I guess is backed up
>by the There Is No Alternative political movement of Thatcher and Reagan)!!
>Recently I had a discussion with a follower of H*yek who e
> At least you knew what I was referring to, which was the point of
> using the
> term. I don't think it's worth spending a lot of energy arguing about the
> meanings of words, since they are usually pretty arbitrary and
> conventional.
>
> Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.ed
Max Sawicky wrote:
>
Is there any other person on this list who has espoused market
economics?
Doug is the only one of you who has evinced anything but utter, total,
absolute, nauseated rejection,
Hey I'm still here.
<
Yes, I espouse market economics -- without the profit motive,
either capit
Ian wrote:
>Just because Kant and his groupies called it the Enlightenment we 21st
>centurions have to blindly follow his historico-taxonomical rot? What
>Enlightenment? To paraphrase Snoopy, "acutally existing civilization is
>overrated"!
At least you knew what I was referring to, which was the
>
> Strictly speaking the socialists drew upon Rousseau's notion of
> "perfectabilité," (which the translator, Roger D. Masters, says
> means "the
> capacity to make progress" in J-J Rousseau, THE SOCIAL CONTRACT AND
> DISCOURSE ON THE ORIGIN OF INEQUALITY, Lester Crocker, ed. Washington
> Square
At 07:01 AM 12/18/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm basically a plain old Bill Clinton Democrat,
I won't ask about the Lincoln Bedroom.
;-)
>At 06:01 PM 12/14/00 -0800, David Shemano wrote:
> >2. To the extent that your criticisms of capitalism are primarily
> political-social (e.g. capitalism
Let me first make it clear that I do not identify with the Marxist left. Nor am I a democratic socialist or even a very good social democrat--although I might make it in the milktoasty Tony Blair version of the British Labour Party. I'm basically a plain old Bill Clinton Democrat, influenced in m
Oh, heavens, I took this back ages ago. --jks
>
>
> >Is there any other person on this list who has espoused market economics?
> >Doug is the only one of you who has evinced anything but utter, total,
> >absolute, nauseated rejection,
> >
> >
> >Hey I'm still here.
>
>Yeah, don't get so heated, J
>Is there any other person on this list who has espoused market economics?
>Doug is the only one of you who has evinced anything but utter, total,
>absolute, nauseated rejection,
>
>
>Hey I'm still here.
Yeah, don't get so heated, Justin! Sure, I tried some opposing arguments,
but where would
. . .
Is there any other person on this list who has espoused market economics?
Doug is the only one of you who has evinced anything but utter, total,
absolute, nauseated rejection,
Hey I'm still here.
mbs
It's very marxist to be rejected as a marxist.
I've started reading Capital. V1. I found an
old bookmark in my copy -- a pay stub from 1972.
mbs
. . . I include Dennis in Marxism, but if I followed his principles of
metaphysical purity I would write, "I hope you realize that
Dennis has noth
Hello Ian,
I do know Willem Vanderburg, but I know his own teacher
Ursula Franklin a bit better. I think shes more sympathetic to
my ideas than Prof. Vanderburg, at least enough to write an
endorsement for my book. I think Im a bit more Marxist than
either, with my focus on produc
>... As if I have not argued it ad nauseaum over the years, and recently,
>in fact, on this list, until Michael Perlman shut me up for taking up too
>much bandwidth on the subject. But do we really want to open this can of
>worms just now? Especially because we will see if markets vs. plans is
Play nice. Also, yes, I think that we have been through plan vs. market
already.
On Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 02:40:17AM -, Justin Schwartz wrote:
>
> Can't make a point without sniping, can you? As if I have not argued it ad
> nauseaum over the years, and recently, in fact, on this list, until
Can't make a point without sniping, can you? As if I have not argued it ad
nauseaum over the years, and recently, in fact, on this list, until Michael
Perlman shut me up for taking up too much bandwidth on the subject. But do
we really want to open this can of worms just now? Especially becaus
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