Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the mita

2001-05-28 Thread Stephen E Philion
I'm afraid I never made the connection between Brenner and Warren. Must be something like the connection between Zeitlin and Pinochet...or Raymond Lau and some dogmatic trotskyist sloganeer... The arguments that Ahmad makes about the need to take seriously the study of specific class relations in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the mita

2001-05-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Louis Proyect wrote: > Jim Devine: > >To say that each case must be examined only in its own terms (is this what > >you're really saying?) is totally anti-theoretic, leaning heavily toward > >stereotypes of post-modernism, full of sound and rhetorical fury but > >signifying n

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the mita

2001-05-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Louis Proyect wrote: > >Am. Or at least explain to us how Frank's understanding of Lat. Am. is > >superior to Petras's or Zeitlin's. > > > >Steve > > I have read Petras extensively. I consider him useful but ultraleft, > especially on Nicaragua. However, he has not written

Relevance, was Re:mita

2001-05-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Louis Proyect wrote: > >How do you know I'm smirking when I write these posts. Amazing powers you > >have all the way over there in the Big Apple. > > I don't know you if you are smirking or not, but I am glad that you don't > deny you are writing provocations. I didn't eve

Overtaxed Infrastructure

2001-05-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
Published on Monday, May 28, 2001 in the San Francisco Bay Guardian Overtaxed Infrastructure $1.3 Trillion Needed for Repairs Not Tax Cuts for the Wealthy by Ralph Nader Economic policy is taking on a surreal appearance in Washington. President Bush has gambled everything on a massive tax cu

Re: Re: Oz Competition update

2001-05-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
Tom wrote: > What is distinctly odd is the way in which monopoly is fostered in the name > of competition. I'm not sure it's all that odd. Monopoly capital is able to wipe out, first off, smaller less competitive capitals by virture of its greater use of the division of labor and use of price con

Re: Re: Re: Re: Oz Competition update

2001-05-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Michael Perelman wrote: > > > Stephen E Philion wrote: > > > Capitalist monopolies are also very able to chew apart > > state owned monopolies because the latter are not as competitive in > > capitalist markets. > > By not compe

Re: Final words on Brenner/Wood

2001-05-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
Lou wrote: >From the standpoint of class relations, contemporary South Africa and colonial Spain have much in common. Capitalism is not about advanced technology. Until relatively recent times, a miner worked with a pick and a shovel. Nor is capitalism about "freedom". It is about producing surpl

Re: Re: Final words on Brenner/Wood

2001-05-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Justin Schwartz wrote: > > Lou repeats his criticism of Brenner, that Brenner's insistence on the > importance of free labor in the early development of capitalism is bourgeois > ideology, because the newly dispossessed proletarit was made free of means > of subsistance, and

Re: RE: Re: Final words on Brenner/Wood

2001-05-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mark, You may or may not have an argument here, but it's not relevant to the one that Justin is making here, namely that Lou's claim (that Brenner regards 'free labor' as free in the true sense of the word) is not accurate. Brenner nowhere makes such arguments, nor for that matter does Wood. If Lo

Query on US-China/US-Third World Trade (fwd)

2001-05-31 Thread Stephen E Philion
Forwarded from Saul Thomas: Steve, Could you forward this to PEN and then forward me the responses? Mucho gracias, Soul Recently in the South China Morning Post an interesting anecdote appeared: --- "Perhaps more significant are mainstream US voices that simply argue th

Re: Re: Re: MY Final words on Brenner/Wood

2001-05-31 Thread Stephen E Philion
On the Marxism list the discussion has pretty much degenerated with contributions trashing Jim D. for being an "economist for a liberal arts college" (whatever that means, an odd accusation that comes from a student at a liberal arts college in any event) and claims that he is 'desparate'... Thi

Re: Re: Re: Re: Eurocentrism

2001-05-31 Thread Stephen E Philion
Thorough waste of bandwith steve On Thu, 31 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 5/31/2001 9:16:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > Goldman, Marion S. Passionate journeys : why successful women joined a cult > > / Marion S. Goldman. > > > > >

Re: Re: Sheep and the rise of capitalism in England

2001-06-01 Thread Stephen E Philion
I have never been a big fan of British sheep. They make me wanna sleep. Steve On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Chris Burford wrote: > At 02/06/01 01:01 +, you wrote: > >Chris Burford wrote: > > > > > > It seems clear that Louis Proyect has nothing to say himself on the > > > role of sheep in the rise

Re: Re: 24 Villagers Killed in Colombia.

2001-06-01 Thread Stephen E Philion
The story sounds eerily like stories we used to read about 'peasants caught in the middle' in El Salvador for that matter... Steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822 On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Louis Proyect wrot

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Eurocentrism

2001-06-01 Thread Stephen E Philion
waste of bandwith On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 5/31/2001 10:35:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Thorough waste of bandwith > > steve > > > > I find that an arrogant response, old dodo. Then please remember that you do > no

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sheep and the rise of capitalism inEngland

2001-06-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Chris Burford wrote: > At 01/06/01 11:50 -1000, you wrote: > >I have never been a big fan of British sheep. They make me wanna sleep. > > > >Steve > > > You seem not be be energised by the evidence that Ellen Wood is guilty of a > propagating a non-proletarian analysis of his

Linksys: Made in a Taiwan Labor Camp

2001-06-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
http://192.192.148.27/news/2001/05/30/letter.htm Linksys Hubs Hubbubs A latest model Made in a Taiwan Labor Camp called Runtop Hi there! You guys surfing on the net are definitely no strangers to the Linksys Group, isnt it? One thing about the Linksys, however, I bet you don!|t quite have a clue

China's Inner Circle Reveals Big Unrest

2001-06-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
YT June 3, 2001 China's Inner Circle Reveals Big Unrest By ERIK ECKHOLM EIJING, June 2 Ñ A startlingly frank new report from the Communist Party's inner sanctum describes a spreading pattern of "collective protests and group incidents" arising from economic, ethnic and religious conflicts in C

Henan Aids crusader honoured in her absence

2001-06-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
The accusation that this brave woman is 'cooperating with people who are anti-China' is quite remarkable. Long before this became an international story officials discouraged her from putting pressure on the gov't to take action on this matter. A victory for anti-imperialism, this woman has not b

Capital Leaps Forward in China

2001-06-03 Thread Stephen E Philion
NYT June 3, 2001 Capital Leaps Forward in China By CRAIG S. SMITH S HANGHAI WANG WENJING, a mild-mannered 36-year-old computer programmer became one of the wealthiest men in China two weeks ago, worth more than half a billion dollars. The source of his sudden riches: China's stil

Double Standards: was: Re: The Truth Will Set You Free

2001-06-03 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Louis Proyect wrote: > Michael wrote: > >I hope that my double standard is clear. I know that the US has the > >capacity to manufacture atrocities as well as to cover them up. > > > >Raymond Bonner got punished for trying to describe inconvenient > >atrocities; others get rew

Re: Capitalism 4000 years old?

2001-06-03 Thread Stephen E Philion
Chris wrote: In catching up on Steve Philion's posts I note he picked up on the sparring by LP about Hammurabi. --What are you talking about? Hammurabi who? How could I spar over someone I never heard of? Steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Soci

Re: Re: Sheep and the rise of capitalism in England

2001-06-03 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Chris Burford wrote: > I wonder now what contemptuous humorous joke Louis Proyect was trying to > stifle when I first enquired whether there had been any discussion of > sheep. If it was anything more than political analysis by sectarian > mockery, perhaps he can reveal it. Ot

Michael, Re: Re Eurocentrism and "Waste" of Bandwidth

2001-06-05 Thread Stephen E Philion
michael, for crying out loud, is this kind of threatening necessary on this list? This has gotten wierd enough already for some kind of action, no? Steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822 On Tue, 5 Jun 2

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sheep and the rise of capitalism inEngland

2001-06-05 Thread Stephen E Philion
Chris, honestly, i felt my remarks regarding the exchange on Brenner were relevant to the exchange between Jim D and Lou P. The debate as far as I can tell is finis. Even Michael P. has asked folks to not continue with it. You seem only interested in this issue as a means to attack Lou. I do

Re: emerging market economies

2001-06-13 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Jim Devine wrote: > when did the phrase "emerging market economies" replace "developing > nations," "newly industrialized countries," and "middle income countries"? > > actually, it's good that the phrase has replaced "developing nations" (or > countries) since the latter b

Re: Re: agrarian revo?

2001-06-16 Thread Stephen E Philion
Marks argument is not accurate. The very reason why Wood criticizes people like Cohen, Laclau, Mouffe, etc. is because they don't take seriously the role of class struggle in determining outcomes of class development. Her references to Brenner are as counter-examples to that trend. Ditto Brenner's

Re: Progress (was No agrarian revo?)

2001-06-16 Thread Stephen E Philion
What might be useful is to compare the Wood that Mark imagines and the writings of Ellen Wood, the actual writer: >From the intro to Origins of Capitalism: "The increasintly transparent weakness and contradictions in the capitalist system may eventurally convince even some of its more uncritical

Re: RE: Re: Progress (was No agrarian revo?)

2001-06-17 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Mark Jones wrote: > Stephen E Philion: > > > > > > What might be useful is to compare the Wood that Mark imagines and the > > writings of Ellen Wood, the actual writer: > > OK, let's do that. In the same book, Origins of Capitalism,

Re: RE: Reply to Clark

2001-06-18 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Mark Jones wrote: > Ricardo Duchesne: > > > > Forwarded is my reply to Clark. > > You're right about Clark inadvertently supporting Marxist ideas: Clark is in > the mould of Chambers and Mingay who in their book 'Agrarian Revo' pub about > 1965, triumphantly announced the def

Re: Re: Re: single-factor theory vs. a completeexplanation

2001-06-18 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Jim Devine wrote: > > >Jim Devine: > > >Instead of such a single-factor explanation, I'd say that Anglo-American > > >imperialism was _allied with_ the hacienda- and plantation-owners. > > Louis writes: > >Alliances are only made between equals. The "alliance" between > >Angl

Who said miracle? was RE: relevance

2001-06-21 Thread Stephen E Philion
Michael asked Mark: > > Isn't this getting pretty personal, Mark? > Mark responded: > No, it's a reflection of exchanges Doug and I have had from time to time. I > hope that Doug's question will indeed open up a discussion about what is > relevant, and why. For my part, I'm saying inter alia: Th

Re: RE: Re: Yellow River: Facts on File

2001-06-27 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mark, Now you're telling us that Yoshie is a big fan of Zizek? Interesting... Steve On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Mark Jones wrote: > Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > > > > Unless you explain the process that creates capitalists driven to > > M-C-M', sure. > > I gave my version, at length: You have to look at

Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: gas

2001-06-28 Thread Stephen E Philion
Gee Mark, I thought it was the sentiment of Robert Brenner perhaps? Doesn't he say that gold is god in addition to class struggle is not important? Steve On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Mark Jones wrote: > Doug Henwood wrote: > > > > Oh yes, it's much more sensible to give ourselves over the growth in >

Re: Re: RE: Re: The Vulnerable Planet (was Re: suburbia)

2001-06-28 Thread Stephen E Philion
Perhaps it would be better if Mark told us where he gets the idea that Doug embraces such ideology? Or is it imagined that Doug does so? Steve On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Doug Henwood wrote: > Mark Jones wrote: > > > >The USA is > >> inefficient. > > > >That's not what Doug Henwood thinks, is it? Or

Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: The Vulnerable Planet (was Re:suburbia)

2001-06-28 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mark wrote: You get the picture? (For Doug Henwood), Capitalism is bad but, hey, things are getting better! --Actually nothing in the quotes you excerpted show that Doug thinks this at all. He's refuting the mythology that there is some new source to American increases in productivity during the

A postmodernist reading of Henwood? Re: RE: Re: Re: RE:Re: The Vulnerable Planet (was Re: suburbia)

2001-06-28 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mark also tells us about Doug's love of capitalism: >>(Doug writes)My point was this: life on the capitalist periphery is not some simple narrative of relentless decline. There has been real progress in a lot of places and in a lot of ways. << [pen-l 02 May 2001 18:18 UTC ] Mark: Doug even think

Re: RE: Foster responds

2001-06-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
Now Foster is one of the bad guys? Gosh, gotta get out my scorecard...that was a quick switch if there ever were one. A fat head who doesn't know anything? That kind of characterization of a comrade is bizarre... Steve On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Mark Jones wrote: > El Nino events were most probabl

Re: RE: Re: carrying capacity in California

2001-06-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
Actually, my reading of Nathan's remarks are that he is countering your arguments, not Doug's. Steve On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Mark Jones wrote: > Doug Henwood wrote: > > > > Hmm, 27 million excess Californians. LA's population should be below > > 20,000. Where are all these people to go? > > > > Th

Re: Re: Re: carrying capacity in California

2001-07-01 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Michael Perelman wrote: > Yoshie, giving blueprints constitutes utopianism. Some changes are > obvious: better land use planning to diminish the use of such intensive > use of automobiles, less wasteful packaging, more use of renewable energy > ... and other no-brainers. The

Re: RE: More on E-Mail Rhetoric Re: RE: Re: RE: Re:carrying capacity in California

2001-07-01 Thread Stephen E Philion
I'm not sure if it matters whether the responses are in depth or not, though I think Carrol's argument is reasonable as it stands. I've responded to Mark's arguments against Wood in length and with brief one liners. Usually the only response is to the one liners. More in depth responses attracted

Re: RE: Re: RE: More on E-Mail Rhetoric Re: RE: Re: RE:Re: carrying capacity in California

2001-07-01 Thread Stephen E Philion
y you attribute such positions to Wood or Brenner... Steve On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Mark Jones wrote: > Stephen E Philion > > > I've > > responded to Mark's arguments against Wood in length and with brief one > > liners. Usually the only response is to the one liners. >

[PEN-L:6846] The limits of Chinese "anti-imperialism" (fwd)

1999-05-14 Thread Stephen E Philion
Recall what I said last week about the often confused discourse of anti-imperialism and neo-liberal ideology taking plaace in China at the moment... Steve > >HK Standard >May 15, 1999 > >Backlash against US goods could boomerang > > STORY: SHANGHAI: Chinese citizens would damage the

[PEN-L:6875] Fwd: FYI: Chengdu Students' Apology (fwd)

1999-05-16 Thread Stephen E Philion
>> >>Early this morning, students in ChengDu, a Southwest city of China, >>send an >>apology letter to President Clinton and the American people for the >>accident >>of burning down the US consulate in that city days ago: >> >>We, the students in ChengDu, hereby sincerely express our deep sorrow t

Re: Yugoslavia

2000-07-16 Thread Stephen E Philion
Michael, What is the reference for that? Thanks, Steve On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Michael Perelman wrote: > Paul, what do you think of Cheryl Payer's analysis of Yugo.? She says that the > US encouraged self-management to split Yugo. from the USSR. > -- > Michael Perelman > Economics Department > Ca

Re: Re: '"market socialism"

2000-07-16 Thread Stephen E Philion
Of course, someday Neil might actually accomplish 1/100th of a Bill Haywood in terms of concrete results... Steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Ken Hanly wrote: > To use Justin'

[PEN-L:8377] Looming megacities force Chinese leaders to grope for new policies(fwd)

1999-06-27 Thread Stephen E Philion
> > > Looming megacities force Chinese leaders to grope for new policies > > BEIJING, June 27 (AFP) - A vision of hundreds of megacities in > the new millennium is forcing China's leadership to grope for new >

[PEN-L:8376] China to lag behind in more competitive post-crisis Asia (fwd)

1999-06-27 Thread Stephen E Philion
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:58:30 -1000 From: Saul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: China to lag behind in more competitive post-crisis Asia China to lag behind in more competitive post-crisis Asia SHANGHAI, June 27 (AFP) - China,

Re: Re: Why Decry the Wealth Gap?

2000-01-24 Thread Stephen E Philion
Hey, I didn't write that, it's from the NY Times article I sent to the list...Steve On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, William S. Lear wrote: > On Monday, January 24, 2000 at 13:26:56 (-1000) Stephen E Philion writes: > > > > And what of the poorest Americans'

When the Rich Get Even Richer

2000-01-26 Thread Stephen E Philion
A series of letters written in response to the "Why Decry Wealth" article published in the NYT two days ago: January 26, 2000 When the Rich Get Even Richer __ To the Editor: W. Michael Cox and Richard Alm ask, "Why D

Farmers slip net at fund protest

2000-01-20 Thread Stephen E Philion
I find the remark of the official in response to the farmers especially rich. Steve South China Morning Post - China Friday, January 21, 2000

Why Decry the Wealth Gap?

2000-01-24 Thread Stephen E Philion
Let the gap get wider! Steve January 24, 2000 Why Decry the Wealth Gap? By W. MICHAEL COX and RICHARD ALM T he economic expansion that began in 1991 will soon become the longest in our history, yet last week Americans may have been distracted by two reports reminding them o

Re: Re: Chinese workers desert state sector

2000-05-10 Thread Stephen E Philion
Hi Michael, Sorry to respond so late. Private businesses tend to pay quite a bit more than state companies, especially skilled positions. The desertion is a combination of boot and attraction. Of course, it depends on what kind of skills you possess and the state of the SOE you're located in. Bu

Unrest Grows in China's Old State Plants

2000-05-16 Thread Stephen E Philion
NYT May 17, 2000 Unrest Grows in China's Old State Plants By ERIK ECKHOLM B EIJING, May 16 -- Up to 2,000 unpaid workers and retirees have besieged their factory and government offices in a northeastern city over the last two days, the latest example of growing labor unre

Re: Re: Genderization

2000-05-17 Thread Stephen E Philion
If Charles is channelling Chang, he's doing a bad job of it. He forgot to add that we have nothing to fear from unemployment... Steve On Wed, 17 May 2000, Doug Henwood wrote: > Charles Brown wrote: > > >CB: Wasn't GDP socio-politically constructed in order to hoodwink the people ? > > You cha

ILWU On China

2000-05-17 Thread Stephen E Philion
Recalling my appeal to would be maligners of the labor movement as a monolithic arm of US foreign policy. Steve Subject: ILWU Position on China Trade International Longshore and Warehouse Union Thirty-first International Convention Portland, Oregon May 1 - 5, 2000 Resolution # R-39 The ILW

[PEN-L:9598] Re: M-I: civil society

1997-04-22 Thread Stephen E Philion
Doug, By far the best article I've read on this is by Ellen Wood (the evil social democrat, you remember?), called "The Uses and abuses of civil society". It's a chapter of here book, *Democracy versus Capitalism* (or against capitalism-don't remember). Later, Steve On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Doug H

Re: Re: Re: Genderization (fwd)

2000-05-18 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mine, there are many many people on this list who believe that women should have children and that it is their only purpose in life. So, the argument you make is bound to be very controversial. I understand that Sam is also for keeping women bound barefoot in the kitchen...for shame! Steve On Th

Re: Re: Re: Marx and Kapital

2000-03-22 Thread Stephen E Philion
yes, chang thinks we all, whether Chinese, American, African,...should not fear unemployment and ditching state investment in industry... Steve On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Charles Brown wrote: > Chang is an internationalist. We are all Chang. > > CB > > >>> Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/21/00

Malaysian state asks women to cover up (fwd)

2000-03-23 Thread Stephen E Philion
The state in its nationalist fervor comes up with another policy that will show western capital it means business... Steve Wednesday 22 March 2000 Malaysian state asks women to cover up KUALA LUMPUR: The ruling fundamentalist Islamist party of Malaysia's Terengganu state has ordered Muslim wome

Many Companies Are Forced to Dip Deeper Into Labor Pool (fwd)

2000-03-26 Thread Stephen E Philion
NY Times: March 26, 2000 Many Companies Are Forced to Dip Deeper Into Labor Pool By LOUIS UCHITELLE K ANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Unable to find enough workers in the booming economy, American corporations are trying to expand the labor pool. Until recently, employers had met their

The Price of Oil (fwd)

2000-03-26 Thread Stephen E Philion
NYT: March 26, 2000 The Price of Oil Letters Index _ To the Editor: As a former oil trader, I think there are several issues to consider about the currently high price of oil ("Clinton Calls for New P

draft position on amnesty (fwd)

2000-03-27 Thread Stephen E Philion
DRAFT POSITION DRAFT POSITION DRAFT POSITION DRAFT POSITION The following is a draft document, written as a basis for discussion. It is not a final document. The Labor Immigrant Organizers Network (LION) invites the comment, not only of members of the LION network, but of people t

Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-28 Thread Stephen E Philion
After the current anti-China strategy fails, hopefully when the labor movement is thinking about which way to go next, it will consider views such as this more seriously. I think Doug reported recently that there is considerable tension within the AFL-CIO about the 'yellow peril' strategy, so the

Re: RE: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-28 Thread Stephen E Philion
Max, Noone is calling anyone racist. But relying on Harry Wu to justify an attack on China? Tibetan nuns? What does this have to do with the issue of labor rights in China? Maybe in ads against China trade they can also include pictures of Wen Ho Lee, my sense is the strategy is 'whatever it take

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
I agree with this text, of course. Note that the source is the same kind of source that Henry has so passionately attacked Doug for using when making criticisms of the labor regime in China. It's nice to see that it is alright to quote from the beast after all when discussing China Steve On

Re: Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
Jim Devine wrote: I'm not going to comment on any of the details of this thread (especially the unnecessary rudeness), Steve writes: Thanks for your comments. I'd like to respond to this above comment however. I've tried to not be rude toward Max, I respect his work at EPI and him even when I di

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
I agree with Henry about Harry Wu. I think his attacks on Doug are based on much less valid reasoning. Henry might not like Doug's critical comments on aspects of China's labor regime, but Henry can't even bring himself to acknowledge that Doug also is critical of the AFL-CIO's positin on China...

Re: RE: Re: RE: Left Approach to China Trade: A CriticalView

2000-03-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
I'm convinced it'll fail because of the well laid out arguments of people like Bacon and Tabb (see March issue of Monthly Review). The strategy is short sighted and will not jive with the American populace, who don't blame China or trade with China for their problems. I say it will fail for same

Tabb on China policy

2000-03-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
>From Monthly Review: Volume 51, Number 10 March 2000 After Seattle: Understanding the Politics of Globalization by William K. Tabb {Cut, about the first 2/3rds of the article, go to www.monthlyreview.org for full article) Similarly, an analysis is needed concerning the politics inherent in

Re: NYU Conference Schedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

2000-03-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mine, Have you heard of liberation theology to begin with? Steve On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > labor-religion coalition? interfaith commitee? people of faith net work? > what are these to be exact? what have they got to with labor rights, > sweatshops and social justice i

Re: RE: RE: Left Approach to China Trade: A CriticalView

2000-03-29 Thread Stephen E Philion
steve wrote orginally: > I'm convinced it'll fail because of the well laid out arguments of people > like Bacon and Tabb (see March issue of Monthly Review). The strategy is > short sighted and will not jive with the American populace, who don't > blame China or trade with China for their problems

Re: Keeping Tabb

2000-03-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
Max wrote: Tabb and others are troubled by the anti-communist overtones of the China/WTO campaign and find it unpleasant to look at the real state of labor and human rights in China. We seem stuck in the old trap of apologizing for transgressions of really-existing communism in the belief or hop

Re: Further excuses of religion: RE: NYU ConferenceSchedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

2000-03-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mine wrote: It is sad that the US left, whatever it means, still subscribes to the notion of compatibility of religion and socialism. If Mr. jesus can save us from capitalism, let him save us! Steve writes: The stuff of sectarianism. Who cares about someone's religious beliefs, I care more abo

"All the work units have collapsed. . . . It's a dangerous situation."(fwd)

2000-03-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
My apologies for sending on this information from a bourgeois source. But for those offended, rest assured this kind of story you can find in Chinese magazines, newspapers,...Steve Subject: "All the work units have collapsed. . . . It's a dangerous situation." Washington Post WTO Membershi

Re: Re: Further excuses of religion: RE: NYU ConferenceSchedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

2000-03-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
Yes, Mine, I could see you in Kansas trying to fight for your child's right to not be subjected to creationist dogma. Daniel Berrigan walks up to you and offers cooperation, your response?, "Sorry Dan, gotta give up your religion before we work together to fight creationists" Steve Stephen P

Boston Globe Online

2000-03-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
Boston Globe ] Temp agencies find labor pool evaporating By Michael Crowley, Globe Staff, 3/30/2000 [H.gif] ow tight is the labor market in Boston? Consider the latest tactic of Franklin Pierce Temporari

Re: Re: "All the work units have collapsed. . . . It's a dangerous situation." (fwd)

2000-03-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
> > >My apologies for sending on this information from a bourgeois source. But > >for those offended, rest assured this kind of story you can find in > >Chinese magazines, newspapers,...Steve > > > >Subject: "All the work units have collapsed. . . . It's a dangerous > > situation." > >Washing

Re: Re: Re: NYU Conference Schedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

2000-03-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > are your catholic folks progressive enough when it comes to gender > issues? just crucious to know... > > Mine Steve: The answer to that is, obviously, yes. Many Catholic lefties are pro-choice,...all one has to do is read their literature. They mi

Spam

2000-03-30 Thread Stephen E Philion
Spam., steve On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >What is this debate about? > > Michael, the debate is as follows... > > >Still, religion has inspired great generosity and positive heroism in > >others. > > thanks god for his generosity! > > >> then go and register to a biology c

L.A.LaborNews - The China Syndrome - meltdown in the movement (fwd)

2000-04-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
This is a useful contribution, not simply because I agree with the text, but because it doesn't resort to simplistic characterizations of the AFL-CIO as a monolothic entity, with all troops goosestepping to the same tune. Note the discussion of the Asian desk if you are wondering what I mean. Any

Bolivia declares emergency over protests - April 8, 2000

2000-04-08 Thread Stephen E Philion
You have to scroll down a bit to get to the story, but it's worth reading. Steve Subject: CNN.com - Bolivia declares emergency over protests - April 8, 2000 http://cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/04/08/bolivia.emergency.reut/index.html Title: CNN.com - Bolivia declares emergency over protests -

Of Steve Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread Stephen E Philion
For the record, the Steve referred to below is Steve Rosenthal, not me... Steve (The "PEN Steve") Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822 On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote: > > > > > >Steve wrote:

Economist on China's economy

2000-04-13 Thread Stephen E Philion
The Economist April 8-14, 2000 SURVEY CHINA Now comes the hard part China looks set to change as much in the next five years as in the past extraordinary 20, says Dominic Ziegler “IF YOU think,” says a high administration official in Washington,D C, “what will be required for economic succ

Re: Re: what's happening?

2000-04-14 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Louis Proyect wrote: > The reason that the government has been so spineless with respect to the > kidnappers is that it is ambivalent about their role in American society. I would agree about this in part. This view is amendable at any moment. > It needs the Miami gusanos

Labor Disputes in China on the Rise

2000-04-23 Thread Stephen E Philion
Chinese Workers Are Showing Disenchantment Official Statistics Show Number of Labor Disputes Has Soared as Workers Complain of Late or No Pay, Layoffs, Corruption By John Pomfret Washington Post Foreign Service Sunday, April 23, 2000; Page A23 BEIJING—The number of labor disputes in China has s

CHINA REPORTS BIG SURGE IN LABOR UNREST DURING 1999 - SF Chronicle

2000-04-26 Thread Stephen E Philion
The San Francisco Chronicle Monday, April 24, 2000 CHINA REPORTS BIG SURGE IN LABOR UNREST DURING 1999 Disputes over unpaid pensions, wages, fraud By John Pomfret, Washington Post Beijing -- The number of labor disputes in China has skyrocketed -- to more

From the horse's mouth

2000-05-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
I am reminded of an article from Workers' World a few weeks back citing for the umteenth time statistics on the high rates of unioinization in China. There are reasons to be wary of Workers' Weekly Articles that frequently cite statistics from China uncritically, as we now hear from the horse's m

Little interest among Chinese students one year after NATO bombing(fwd)

2000-05-05 Thread Stephen E Philion
Friday, May 5 10:28 AM SGT Little interest among Chinese students one year after NATO bombing BEIJING, May 5 (AFP) - For many students who took part in the violent anti-US protests after the NATO bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade anger has given way to study, job hunting and the dream of

AP on current attitudes toward the bombing

2000-05-06 Thread Stephen E Philion
May 5, 2000 China Shepherds US Ties After Bomb By The Associated Press BEIJING (AP) -- China and the United States are wrangling anew over Taiwan, trade and a host of human rights complaints. A year after U.S. bombs shattered China's embassy in Yugoslavia, bitterly strained relations have re

Jiang walks tightrope between left and right (fwd)

2000-05-06 Thread Stephen E Philion
Saturday, May 6, 2000 Jiang walks tightrope between left and right WILLY WO-LAP LAM Communist Party ideologues have temporarily wound down their campaign against rightists, or "bourgeois-liberal" intellectuals who advocate faster political reform. The main reason is that the hard left has ex

China's recession adds pressure for workers' rights

2000-05-07 Thread Stephen E Philion
The Telegraph (UK) Sunday May 7, 2000 China's recession adds pressure for workers' rights By Damien Mcelroy in Beijing CHINA returns to work today after an unprecedented week-long national holiday ordered by a Communist leadership alarmed at escalating violent protests and strikes among a d

Chinese workers desert state sector

2000-05-08 Thread Stephen E Philion
BBC Saturday, 6 May, 2000, 09:30 GMT 10:30 Chinese workers desert state sector By Duncan Hewitt in Beijing An official survey in China has given further evidence of the dramatic changes in the country's economy. The nationwide survey found that in the last two decades, the proportion of urban

Re: Re: EPI Paper on U.S. FDI in China

2000-05-13 Thread Stephen E Philion
I think that what Martin argues below is similar to the arguments that Bill Tabb made a few months ago in MR, right on the money. Steve > > Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote: > > > And what political implications should we draw from the fact that US > > capital is highly mobile, using China, among o

[PEN-L:12319] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-13 Thread Stephen E Philion
Maggie, Perhaps it's not necessary to cringe. If the women had more savvy she wouldn't be so explicit and it would be impossible to ever make her (or her predecessor's) politics a subject of debate, let alone scrutiny. We should always be gratefu

[PEN-L:12389] Re: Affluenza

1997-09-16 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: > At 07:34 AM 9/16/97 -0700, Louis Proyect wrote, inter alia: > >The show tip-toed around the all important question of the capitalist > >system. It made the need to reverse environmental degradation, > >consumerism, etc. a personal choice rather than

[PEN-L:11117] Re: Feminism is sexist?

1997-07-04 Thread Stephen E Philion
excellent job of flame provoking... steve On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, Karl Carlile wrote: > Comrades, > > While having a mug of coffee I thought to myself that much of what is > regarded as progressive feminism is essentially sexist and separatist. > It is quite common for many feminists to make gener

[PEN-L:11098] Re: Barbarism

1997-07-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: > Today the state of Maryland executed Mr. Hunt, a black man, for killing a > white police officer some 12 years. This barbaric human sacrifice was > broadly televised, as "execution countdown" on local TV. At the same time, > > The United States

[PEN-L:10946] re: Juneteenth

1997-06-19 Thread Stephen E Philion
If they're allowed to work, unions should be allowed to unionize'em. Steve > > Clearly prisoners are being exploited as workers and this > diminishes the well-being of workers who aren't incarcerated. At > the same time, for some convicts the chance to work at some jobs, > even for a pittan

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