Re: L2R/R2L syntax

2003-01-16 Thread Piers Cawley
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mr. Nobody) writes: Unicode operators in the core are a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very bad idea. We've done that. Yeah, but not with quite so many 'very's. I think you'll find that that

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 10:50:57PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 12:05 AM + 1/16/03, Simon Cozens wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes: Ah, that's a different question. Having Unicode synonyms may well be considered reasonable thing Sounds like the good old days of

Re: Objects, finally (try 1)

2003-01-16 Thread Gopal V
If memory serves me right, Jonathan Sillito wrote: x = a.f # get the method, a limited form of currying # since the first arg (a==self) is stored x() # output: A.f() setattr(A, f, g) # replace A's f with g a.f()# output: g() x() # output (still): A.f() !!!

pretty pictures

2003-01-16 Thread Mitchell N Charity
I was playing with doxygen (www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/index.html) (think javadoc for C++) and thought I'd pass along some random pictures. Doxygen unfortunately doesn't handle perl code, and even has problems with parrot's C. (IMHO, the world needs a wrapper hack which allows you to run all

Re: pretty pictures

2003-01-16 Thread James Michael DuPont
--- Mitchell N Charity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doxygen unfortunately doesn't handle perl code, and even has problems with parrot's C. You might be interested in autodia, it handles perl. http://droogs.org/autodia/ (IMHO, the world needs a wrapper hack which allows you to run all these

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Austin Hastings
--- Mr. Nobody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [... Massive elision ...] Right now almost all of us are in that boat. And we're talking about trigraph ops, like ~ and ~ and |~ and [+=] and whatever. As we get better, more Unicapable, whatever,

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Buddha Buck
[Note: I originally sent this to Mr. Nobody alone, but that wasn't my intent. I'm re-sending it here, where I wanted it to go in the first place. -- bmb] Mr. Nobody wrote: trigraphs are actually better, even if you are unicode capable. ~ is far easier to type than ctrl-u-15F9E2A01 or

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Buddha Buck
Buddha Buck wrote: Maybe, maybe not On my machine right now, it is very easy for me to type various accented letters, like a, e, etc, making words like resume (or is that resume) nearly as fast to type as the non-accented version resume. Hmmm, that's not what I wrote... On my machine, I

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 04:59:43PM -0500, Buddha Buck wrote: Buddha Buck wrote: Maybe, maybe not On my machine right now, it is very easy for me to type various accented letters, like a, e, etc, making words like resume (or is that resume) nearly as fast to type as the non-accented

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 10:07:13PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: The headers I received make no mention of character set - does your mailer mark the message in any way? If not, then STMP will assume it's good old 7 bit ASCII Thus we are back to using uuencode :-) -Scott -- Jonathan Scott Duff

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Austin Hastings
--- Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes: Ah, that's a different question. Having Unicode synonyms may well be considered reasonable thing Sounds like the good old days of trigraphs. It's very much like the good old days of trigraphs. But on the

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 8:08 AM -0800 1/16/03, Austin Hastings wrote: --- Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes: Ah, that's a different question. Having Unicode synonyms may well be considered reasonable thing Sounds like the good old days of trigraphs. It's very

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And keyboards, don't forget keyboards. These pesky primitive ones we have now would require a lot of shift-control-alt-meta-cokebottle key sequences... And vt100 consoles ! There are still sysadmins that struggle with a buggy perl script, having

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Mark J. Reed
On 2003-01-16 at 11:41:56, Dan Sugalski wrote: And keyboards, don't forget keyboards. These pesky primitive ones we have now would require a lot of shift-control-alt-meta-cokebottle key sequences... Unicode may have thousands of characters, but how many of them do you think you'll use often

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Mr. Nobody
--- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes: Ah, that's a different question. Having Unicode synonyms may well be considered reasonable thing Sounds like the good old days of trigraphs. It's very

RE: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Brent Dax
Mr. Nobody: # --- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # It's very much like the good old days of trigraphs. But on the plus # side, once all the losers get their fonts/xterms/editors # up-to-speed # on extended character sets, the trigraphs will die a # forgotten death. # # How about

RE: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Mr. Nobody
--- Brent Dax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Nobody: # --- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # It's very much like the good old days of trigraphs. But on the plus # side, once all the losers get their fonts/xterms/editors # up-to-speed # on extended character sets, the trigraphs

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Michael Lazzaro
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:57 AM, Mark J. Reed wrote: On 2003-01-16 at 11:41:56, Dan Sugalski wrote: And keyboards, don't forget keyboards. These pesky primitive ones we have now would require a lot of shift-control-alt-meta-cokebottle key sequences... Unicode may have thousands of

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Mark J. Reed
Glad to see someone heeded that warning about unrecognizable sarcasm; no danger of misinterpretation here . . . :) On 2003-01-16 at 10:01:04, Michael Lazzaro wrote: Well, I don't know about anyone else, but *I'm* planning on making many, many Unicode synonyms, to make my code shorter and more

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Mr. Nobody
--- Michael Lazzaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know about anyone else, but *I'm* planning on making many, many Unicode synonyms, to make my code shorter and more readable. For example, Cfor is too long, so I want to just make it curly-f, (ƒ). And Cwhen is even longer, so I'm

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Mr. Nobody
--- Mr. Nobody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Michael Lazzaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know about anyone else, but *I'm* planning on making many, many Unicode synonyms, to make my code shorter and more readable. For example, Cfor is too long, so I want to just make it

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Simon Cozens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mr. Nobody) writes: Argh, I just realized the original was probably sarcastic too. Now I look like an idiot. Well, moreso than before. There has been more than a touch of sarcasm about nearly every post in this thread in the last two days. -- So i get the chance to reread

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Austin Hastings
--- Mr. Nobody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes: Ah, that's a different question. Having Unicode synonyms may well be considered reasonable thing Sounds

Re: (AUTORESPONSE)Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Austin Hastings
Whoever is working for qlcomm.com tech support and subscribed from work should probably unsubscribe and use a personal account, unless your boss wants 20+ messages per day coming in to your corporate mailbox. --- Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Customer, Your query has been

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Mr. Nobody
--- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mr. Nobody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Austin Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes: Ah, that's a different question. Having Unicode synonyms may well

Re: L2R/R2L syntax (was Re: Everything is an object.)

2003-01-16 Thread Mark J. Reed
On 2003-01-16 at 16:42:15, Buddha Buck wrote: [Note: I originally sent this to Mr. Nobody alone, but that wasn't my intent. I'm re-sending it here, where I wanted it to go in the first place. -- bmb] This came in with a content type text/plain, charset=us-ascii. US-ASCII is by definition 7

Re: optimising, and per file flags

2003-01-16 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 09:22:07AM -0800, Steve Fink wrote: On Jan-12, Nicholas Clark wrote: IIRC Leo added an option to Configure.pl to turn on optimising. Prior to this, on IRC Dan said to me that we need to avoid the hack that perl5 found itself in, when it had to retro-fit the

[CVS ci] eval #1

2003-01-16 Thread Leopold Toetsch
So I did it. Check in the first version of eval. First of all, I changed pdd06_pasm, the compile and compreg opcodes didn't fit really well into - well - my scheme of objects. A compiler is now a Parrot class, derived from NCI, living in interpreter-Parrot_compreg_hash. This also needed a change

RE: pretty pictures

2003-01-16 Thread Marc M. Adkins
I have a Perl program that processes Perl source and generates fake C++ headers that doxygen will process. Doxygen doesn't have a hook for adding a new parser, so this is the only way to hack it. The doxygen way of doing things depends pretty heavily on special comments. My doxygen hack pulls a

is, has, and does (more object stuff)

2003-01-16 Thread Dan Sugalski
I still have most of yesterday's p6i mail to dig through (and probably won't until this evening), but one thing that's struck me (courtesy of an ill-timed grumble about objects) is that there are really three ways to do inheritance, and most languages sort of do them, with varying amounts of

Re: pretty pictures

2003-01-16 Thread Tupshin Harper
The ability to download autodia off of the primary site and the mirror is unfortunately broken. -Tupshin James Michael DuPont wrote: --- Mitchell N Charity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doxygen unfortunately doesn't handle perl code, and even has problems with parrot's C. You might be

[perl #20355] [PATCH] Incorrect ifdef nesting in cpu_dep.c

2003-01-16 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Andy Dougherty # Please include the string: [perl #20355] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # URL: http://rt.perl.org/rt2/Ticket/Display.html?id=20355 I don't think the ifdef logic is quite right in cpu_dep.c. Specifically, if

Re: [perl #20355] [PATCH] Incorrect ifdef nesting in cpu_dep.c

2003-01-16 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 7:29 PM + 1/16/03, Andy Dougherty (via RT) wrote: The enclosed patch changes the logic to what I suspect was actually intended. Applied, thanks. -- Dan --it's like this--- Dan Sugalski

Re: [CVS ci] eval #1

2003-01-16 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Leopold Toetsch wrote: So I did it. Check in the first version of eval. Test status: make test succeeds, as well as -P, running the eval progs with JIT or with -t (trace)/-b (bounds) option fails, probably related to messing with the byte code. Fixed. bug in -j was triggered by garbage

[perl #20358] [BUG] disassemble still

2003-01-16 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Leopold Toetsch # Please include the string: [perl #20358] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # URL: http://rt.perl.org/rt2/Ticket/Display.html?id=20358 disassemble sometimes takes huge amounts of mem and dies. I'm using disassemble