On 01/05/2011 02:51 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
Let me just give a probably totally irrelevant comment here.
I think most of the open source projects have been in use by
many people in production environment before the project had
a production release. I guess there are still places that think
Linux
On Thu, 2011-06-01 at 14:53 +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote:
I would be very interested to see something that allowed Rakudo to
talk to Fortran 95.
I am going to use Fortran 95 for my thesis work, and maybe I could
write a module to give Rakudo a basic array language. Nothing fancy
Is there
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Guy Hulbert gwhulb...@eol.ca wrote:
On Thu, 2011-06-01 at 14:53 +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote:
I would be very interested to see something that allowed Rakudo to
talk to Fortran 95.
I am going to use Fortran 95 for my thesis work, and maybe I could
write a
Wendell Hatcher wendell_hatc...@comcast.net writes:
My point is make it a production release so peeps can push it to the
powers that be in the corporate world.
Valid point.
Will http://packages.debian.org/experimental/rakudo be continued?
This has been the longest production build in test in
Stefan Hornburg (Racke) ra...@linuxia.de writes:
Maybe we should focus on porting Perl 5 modules
With the current size of CPAN this is IMHO not the way to go.
A Perl5 embedding interface is more promising.
Pugs had that in a not perfect but usable state. Not sure about
Rakudo.
An embedded
So I'd change that to after a production release of a Perl 6 compiler
Out of curiosity (because I think it will illuminate some of the difficulty
Rakudo devs have in declaring something to be a production release):
- What constitues a production release?
- What was the first
Hear! Hear!
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM
To: Richard Hainsworth
Cc: perl6-users@perl.org
Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Although everything you said is technically
: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Although everything you said is technically true, I must point out
that without a definitive release, potential users will tend to avoid
the software. For people not involved in the process (i.e. 99.995% of
Perl users
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 17:30, Guy Hulbert gwhulb...@eol.ca wrote:
Rakudo is not listed here:
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/
Fixing that is something I'd like to help with.
Note that go was listed *before* it was announced. That tells me that
the go authors are, in some small way, more
: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM
To: Richard Hainsworth
Cc: perl6-users@perl.org
Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Although everything you said is technically true, I must point out
that without a definitive release, potential users will tend to avoid
On 01/05/11 19:48, Daniel Carrera wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Richard Hainsworthrich...@rusrating.ru wrote:
It is blindingly obvious that the majority of language users, ..., will only
start to use a language
when it is recommended by 'those in authority'...
I think the issue of
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 10:24 -0700, Wendell Hatcher wrote:
I have to agree I don't think this is a serious project. In-fact at
this point it seems like a bunch of friends working on a hobby in
their basement.
I'm not sure I said anything to agree with. You seem to misinterpret my
intention.
'serious project' ???
For some 'serious' people, Perl6 is a 'serious project'. Concepts of
'serious' differ amongst reasonable people. Not a problem if your
'serious' aint my 'serious'.
As an aside, it took 358 years to prove Fermat's Last Theorem. Wiles -
who proved it - shut himself away
Guy,
Your idea is actually exactly what I was suggesting when I said 'example
programs'.
I think there are/were perl6 versions for the shootout problems. I am
not sure what happened to them.
Getting benchmarking will be interesting.
Regards,
Richard
On 01/05/11 20:15, Guy Hulbert wrote:
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 20:51 +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
'serious project' ???
For some 'serious' people, Perl6 is a 'serious project'. Concepts of
'serious' differ amongst reasonable people. Not a problem if your
'serious' aint my 'serious'.
For programming languages, there are
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it largely depends on who do you ask and I believe there will
be a huge gap between private people and company people. Or between
people who are involved in open source development and in-house developers.
I don't
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote:
So I'd change that to after a production release of a Perl 6 compiler
I think I'll include both answers.
If we learn that people desperately need a 1.0 numbering then the
Rakudo developers
can make up their mind to either
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 12:53:17PM +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote:
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org wrote:
Given the current version number scheme (year.month), it's highly
unlikely that we'll ever see a Rakudo 1.0.
So I'd change that to after a production
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 10:27 -0600, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
- What was the first production release of Linux?
- At what point was each of the above declared a production
release;
was it concurrent with the release, or some time afterwards?
Linus declared what his goals for 1.0 were
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 18:33, Guy Hulbert gwhulb...@eol.ca wrote:
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 18:25 +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
At least have the decency to change the e-mail subject when the
discussion's
subject has changed!
IMO, the subject changed at the second post. I was just
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 06:25:18PM +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 18:05, Guy Hulbert gwhulb...@eol.ca wrote:
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 10:27 -0600, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
- What was the first production release of Linux?
- At what point was each of the
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 18:45 +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
You guys stopped discussing the questionnaire a LONG time before PM
answered. There has hardly been a handful of helpful posts.
That's what I said and that was my first post.
Getting back on topic, I, for one, would like to know
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 19:02, Guy Hulbert gwhulb...@eol.ca wrote:
Many people seem to be proposing questions which ask people's opinions
of things which are factual and can be answered readily by reading the
documentation.
For example, your question can be partly answered by looking at the
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 20:10 +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
It does not, however, answer any of the question_s_ I wanted asked, and
which others have wanted asked, not even partially.
I haven't seen any such requests from you on this thread. Is this
discussion happening elsewhere as well ?
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Guy Hulbert gwhulb...@eol.ca wrote:
I'm not sure what 'TPF survey' is.
http://survey.perlfoundation.org/
Gabor
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick R. Michaud pmich...@pobox.com wrote:
Out of curiosity (because I think it will illuminate some of the difficulty
Rakudo devs have in declaring something to be a production release):
- What constitues a production release?
The developers judge that the
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Guy Hulbert gwhulb...@eol.ca wrote:
I think freezing a subset of what you eventually want to have and then
getting as close as you can on a fairly tight schedule is the best way
to get buy-in from users.
That is generally what I expect to see in a production
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 22:30 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote:
Thanks. Found that already. It does not list the questions asked and I
can't figure out how to download the PDF report or to clone the
repository it's in on github.
Jan Involdstadt suggested I look at TPF website and following the
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org wrote:
On 01/01/2011 10:15 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
So for example:
I'll start learning Perl 6 (select one or more that fits your opinion)
*) when Larry Wall declares that Perl 6.0 is ready
*) after Rakudo 1.0 is released
Given
Richard Hainsworth wrote:
Moreover, a survey should be testing perceptions, even if the
perceptions contradict what some feel are facts. It sometimes pays to be
agnostic about what can be counted as a fact to learn how other people
think. Eg., in the real world there are those who perceive as
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Richard Hainsworth rich...@rusrating.ru wrote:
On 01/01/11 03:41, Daniel Carrera wrote:
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Chas. Owenschas.ow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:39, Xue, Brianbrian@amd.com wrote:
I want to adding one more
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be nice to figure out what is the percentage of people who
don't yet look at Perl 6 because there was not official Perl 6.0
release or in more general what are the blocking issues for them.
I just would like to make
On 01/01/2011 10:15 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
It would be nice to figure out what is the percentage of people who
don't yet look at Perl 6 because there was not official Perl 6.0
release
or in more general what are the blocking issues for them.
I just would like to make sure that by asking the
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org wrote:
Given the current version number scheme (year.month), it's highly
unlikely that we'll ever see a Rakudo 1.0.
So I'd change that to after a production release of a Perl 6 compiler
People might be expecting that when Rakudo
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 23:02, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote:
We will have questions about usage of Perl 5 and we think there should
be also questions
about Perl 6.
Should Perl 6 be called something else?
* No
* Yes, not sure what
* Yes, []
Maybe a question on perceived
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 23:02, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote:
We will have questions about usage of Perl 5 and we think there should
be also questions
about Perl 6.
Should Perl 6 be called something else?
* No
In-Reply-To: Message from Daniel Carrera dcarr...@gmail.com
of Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:20:33 +0100.
For amusement, below I include the same program
in FORTRAN II and Fortran 90.
That was delightful -- thanks!
--tom
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Chas. Owens chas.ow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:39, Xue, Brian brian@amd.com wrote:
I want to adding one more answer about what are people waiting for before
they
start using Perl 6.
There hasn't an official release of PERL6.0, just
On 01/01/11 03:41, Daniel Carrera wrote:
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Chas. Owenschas.ow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:39, Xue, Brianbrian@amd.com wrote:
I want to adding one more answer about what are people waiting for before they
start using Perl 6.
There hasn't
: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:25 PM
To: Gabor Szabo
Cc: Richard Hainsworth; perl6-users@perl.org
Subject: Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote:
So in relation to what Katherine
Gabor,
there is a big gap between 'i wrote snippets' to 'i wrote modules'. How
about 'i have written programs to solve real problems' ?
How about a question on involvement in the perl6 development process, so
as to see how many people are following the process passively, and how
many are
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Richard Hainsworth
rich...@rusrating.ru wrote:
Gabor,
there is a big gap between 'i wrote snippets' to 'i wrote modules'. How
about 'i have written programs to solve real problems' ?
How about a question on involvement in the perl6 development process, so as
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Richard Hainsworth
rich...@rusrating.ru wrote:
Gabor,
there is a big gap between 'i wrote snippets' to 'i wrote modules'. How
about 'i have written programs to solve real problems' ?
I agree. Although I don't use Perl 6 in production yet, for Perl 5 I
can say
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote:
So in relation to what Katherine wrote earlier we should have a
question trying to figure out what are people waiting for before they
start using Perl 6.
That's an excellent question. Possible answers:
* I'm waiting for a
Hi,
On 12/29/2010 08:02 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
I'd be happy to get your input on how else would you put this question or
what possible other answers you would allow.
Here are some very rough ideas:
How much do you know about Perl 6?
* nothing except the name
* some design ideas or history
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:03, Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org wrote:
snip
What do you think about the relation between 5 and 6
* I don't
* Perl 6 hurts Perl 5
* Perl 5 benefits from Perl 5
* The two are mostly independent
snip
As for the third option, I think Perl 5 is hurt by Perl 5,
Why use Perl 6 at this time what are the benefits besides what it has done
(Moose-declare) object oriented programming for Perl 5?
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