Re: [Pharo-project] New IDE alternative (was Misc. newbie questions)

2012-02-28 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Thanks for the explanation. I took a look. calculateExtent is triggered when you create the TextMorph. This is nice, but I am interested in getting the TextMorph to always expand to fill the width of the surrounding element, and to expand vertically according to the text :). Here is a

Re: [Pharo-project] New IDE alternative (was Misc. newbie questions)

2012-02-28 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 28 Feb 2012, at 09:03, Tudor Girba wrote: Here is a variation of what I am thinking about with just a simple list of morphs within a GeneralScrollPane: https://gist.github.com/1930477 http://ws.stfx.eu/8OCB6Z56XGVI ;-)

Re: [Pharo-project] Updated Download page 1.4

2012-02-28 Thread Martin Sandiford
There is a script here: https://github.com/msandiford/mk1click That should be very easy to drop onto a Jenkins server. Would be happy to do this if someone can provide a login :) Martin On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu wrote: True, but I have had good

Re: [Pharo-project] Updated Download page 1.4

2012-02-28 Thread Marcus Denker
On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Janko Mivšek wrote: Hi Marcus, An OneClick build would be also very useful to test 1.4 quickly. Yes. 1.3, too. Those OneClick were once built by Jenkins, is there any reason they are not anymore? Time and Energy. Marcus -- Marcus Denker --

Re: [Pharo-project] New IDE alternative (was Misc. newbie questions)

2012-02-28 Thread S Krish
Sure.. that is fine.. for the use case you state Mine is quick n dirty hack to what I wanted: but my use case is I do wish to have more of these sources partially visible through the vertical pane. so I restrain it to max of 210.. and width of 600 to be able to to throw up another pane next to

Re: [Pharo-project] It would be me first

2012-02-28 Thread Göran Krampe
Hi folks! Nicolas will of course reply - I think he was planning to write a post the other day but might have forgotten - but I can chip in some info: SmalltalkHub has gone through some technical evolution which has taken some time. Especially various persistence schemes were tested and most

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14365

2012-02-28 Thread Marcus Denker
14365 - Issue 5413: Fix in LazyListMorph http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5413 Issue 5408: remove all remaining references to BlockContext and #blockCopy: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5408 Issue 5156: ClassBuilder

Re: [Pharo-project] New IDE alternative (was Misc. newbie questions)

2012-02-28 Thread S Krish
Also on need basis expand to full size/ larger size is how I look at it.. but yours is a better code to adapt to.. even for the #calculateTextExtent for a) show minimal ht. b) show expanded state upto 600 and c) full expand as you explain this should be configurable.. and flexible on a button

Re: [Pharo-project] Few Aida on Swazoo benchmarks, Pharo and VW

2012-02-28 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 02/27/2012 01:56 PM, Janko Mivšek wrote: ... Results are interesting, Pharo is now only 3x slower than VW on dynamic page generation but on network layer it is the same or even slighty faster, ... Do you have any explanation for this? I'm amazed at how close the number for static content

Re: [Pharo-project] It would be me first

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 28.02.2012 um 10:13 schrieb Göran Krampe: Hi folks! Nicolas will of course reply - I think he was planning to write a post the other day but might have forgotten - but I can chip in some info: SmalltalkHub has gone through some technical evolution which has taken some time.

Re: [Pharo-project] Few Aida on Swazoo benchmarks, Pharo and VW

2012-02-28 Thread Janko Mivšek
S, Philippe Marschall piše: Janko Mivšek wrote: Results are interesting, Pharo is now only 3x slower than VW on dynamic page generation but on network layer it is the same or even slighty faster, ... Do you have any explanation for this? I'm amazed at how close the number for static

Re: [Pharo-project] New IDE alternative (was Misc. newbie questions)

2012-02-28 Thread Tudor Girba
It was an innocent mistake. My apologies :) Doru On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be wrote: On 28 Feb 2012, at 09:03, Tudor Girba wrote: Here is a variation of what I am thinking about with just a simple list of morphs within a GeneralScrollPane:

Re: [Pharo-project] New IDE alternative (was Misc. newbie questions)

2012-02-28 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 28 February 2012 09:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@beta9.be wrote: On 28 Feb 2012, at 09:03, Tudor Girba wrote: Here is a variation of what I am thinking about with just a simple list of morphs within a GeneralScrollPane: https://gist.github.com/1930477 http://ws.stfx.eu/8OCB6Z56XGVI

Re: [Pharo-project] It would be me first

2012-02-28 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 28 February 2012 10:38, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Am 28.02.2012 um 10:13 schrieb Göran Krampe: Hi folks! Nicolas will of course reply - I think he was planning to write a post the other day but might have forgotten - but I can chip in some info: SmalltalkHub has gone

[Pharo-project] VNC client

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
I wonder what vnc client do you use if you use pharo + RFB? I had a running via macports. Now that I'm about to switch to homebrew I have problems finding a working one. Be it in brew or app store, etc. thanks, Norbert

Re: [Pharo-project] VNC client

2012-02-28 Thread Milan Mimica
I use remmina. On 28 February 2012 14:06, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: I wonder what vnc client do you use if you use pharo + RFB? I had a running via macports. Now that I'm about to switch to homebrew I have problems finding a working one. Be it in brew or app store, etc.

Re: [Pharo-project] VNC client

2012-02-28 Thread Jan van de Sandt
I use Chicken of the VNC On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Milan Mimica milan.mim...@gmail.comwrote: I use remmina. On 28 February 2012 14:06, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: I wonder what vnc client do you use if you use pharo + RFB? I had a running via macports. Now that I'm

Re: [Pharo-project] VNC client

2012-02-28 Thread Max Leske
Chicken of the VNC and JollysFastVNC (currently testing the second because the first has problems with transmitting all charaters. JollysFastVNC has an option to toggle between remote and local mode to change character sets which is pretty cool. no more switching languages :) ) BTW: Chicken of

Re: [Pharo-project] VNC client

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Ah, thanks, last time I tried it didn't work but now it does. Although I haven't tested keyboard and such. Norbert Am 28.02.2012 um 14:49 schrieb Jan van de Sandt: I use Chicken of the VNC On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Milan Mimica milan.mim...@gmail.com wrote: I use remmina.

Re: [Pharo-project] VNC client

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 28.02.2012 um 14:54 schrieb Max Leske: Chicken of the VNC and JollysFastVNC (currently testing the second because the first has problems with transmitting all charaters. JollysFastVNC has an option to toggle between remote and local mode to change character sets which is pretty cool.

Re: [Pharo-project] VNC client

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Ah, too bad, I'm a Mac user. thanks, Norbert Am 28.02.2012 um 14:43 schrieb Milan Mimica: I use remmina. On 28 February 2012 14:06, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: I wonder what vnc client do you use if you use pharo + RFB? I had a running via macports. Now that I'm about to

[Pharo-project] shorten petitparser expressions

2012-02-28 Thread Igor Stasenko
Why i need to put #asParser everywhere? $a asParser / $b asParser / #foo asParser a proper implementation of #/ makes the above to just: $a asParser / $b / #foo which is much more cleaner and convenient. Or, is there a reason to not send #asParser to every argument where parser expected?

Re: [Pharo-project] It would be me first

2012-02-28 Thread Nicolas Petton
On 28/02/12 14:05, Igor Stasenko wrote: On 28 February 2012 10:38, Norbert Hartlnorb...@hartl.name wrote: Am 28.02.2012 um 10:13 schrieb Göran Krampe: Hi folks! Nicolas will of course reply - I think he was planning to write a post the other day but might have forgotten - but I can chip

[Pharo-project] SmalltalkHub news (was: It would be me first)

2012-02-28 Thread Nicolas Petton
Hi all! As Göran said, he recently joined our forces on SmalltalkHub. We're used to working together and he has great Riak knowledge. He's mainly working on the Riak-backed Monticello repository. Currently, timelines, users, projects, settings, user dashboard and profile are ported for

Re: [Pharo-project] VNC client

2012-02-28 Thread Andreas Wacknitz
Am 28.02.2012 um 14:06 schrieb Norbert Hartl: I wonder what vnc client do you use if you use pharo + RFB? I had a running via macports. Now that I'm about to switch to homebrew I have problems finding a working one. Be it in brew or app store, etc. thanks, Norbert Norbert, there is a

Re: [Pharo-project] VNC client

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 28.02.2012 um 15:30 schrieb Andreas Wacknitz: Am 28.02.2012 um 14:06 schrieb Norbert Hartl: I wonder what vnc client do you use if you use pharo + RFB? I had a running via macports. Now that I'm about to switch to homebrew I have problems finding a working one. Be it in brew or app

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] can this be done via modification to the Squeak/Pharo IDE?

2012-02-28 Thread Dave Mason
I was wondering exactly the same thing! On 2012-Feb-27, at 18:46 , Lawson English wrote: http://vimeo.com/36579366

[Pharo-project] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Of course, not the fuel you use to go to work every day ;) I am talking about Fuel serializer. In particular, I wonder if our page deserves an update: rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel/Software-using-Fuel Let me know if there is something I should add. Thanks, -- Mariano

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 28.02.2012 um 16:41 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: Of course, not the fuel you use to go to work every day ;) I am talking about Fuel serializer. In particular, I wonder if our page deserves an update: rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel/Software-using-Fuel Let me know if

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Am 28.02.2012 um 16:41 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: Of course, not the fuel you use to go to work every day ;) I am talking about Fuel serializer. In particular, I wonder if our page deserves an update:

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:03, Norbert Hartl wrote: Am 28.02.2012 um 16:41 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: Of course, not the fuel you use to go to work every day ;) I am talking about Fuel serializer. In particular, I wonder if our page deserves an update:

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 28.02.2012 um 17:23 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Am 28.02.2012 um 16:41 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: Of course, not the fuel you use to go to work every day ;) I am talking about Fuel serializer. In

Re: [Pharo-project] shorten petitparser expressions

2012-02-28 Thread Fabrizio Perin
Hi, I think the reason is for consistency. If fact I like as it is now for that reason. $a asParser / $b asParser / #foo asParser It looks clear to me and is consistent. a asParser / $b / #foo it looks odd because it is inconsistent. Anyway, for such simple parsers you loose consistency and you

Re: [Pharo-project] shorten petitparser expressions

2012-02-28 Thread Frank Shearar
On 28 February 2012 16:50, Fabrizio Perin fabrizio.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think the reason is for consistency. If fact I like as it is now for that reason. $a asParser / $b asParser / #foo asParser It looks clear to me and is consistent. a asParser / $b / #foo it looks odd because it

Re: [Pharo-project] shorten petitparser expressions

2012-02-28 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 28 February 2012 17:50, Fabrizio Perin fabrizio.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think the reason is for consistency. If fact I like as it is now for that reason. $a asParser / $b asParser / #foo asParser It looks clear to me and is consistent. a asParser / $b / #foo it looks odd because it

Re: [Pharo-project] shorten petitparser expressions

2012-02-28 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 28 February 2012 18:40, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 February 2012 16:50, Fabrizio Perin fabrizio.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think the reason is for consistency. If fact I like as it is now for that reason. $a asParser / $b asParser / #foo asParser It looks clear

Re: [Pharo-project] shorten petitparser expressions

2012-02-28 Thread Frank Shearar
On 28 February 2012 17:43, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 February 2012 18:40, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 February 2012 16:50, Fabrizio Perin fabrizio.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think the reason is for consistency. If fact I like as it is now for that

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] can this be done via modification to the Squeak/Pharo IDE?

2012-02-28 Thread S Krish
My two tiny cents: I have always demoed the liveness of Smalltalk with an inspector open on a window and dynamically add / delete/ modify its contents as you wish.. While the talk is all about animating a simple graphic, the thought and effort indeed is powerful. The real world applications are

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Yanni Chiu
On 28/02/12 11:03 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote: I first used image persistence but the image grow to large. Then I added fuel as journal to be written before image save in order to be able to recover from an emergency. Now we redo the persistence part. An account object graph is dissected into

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] can this be done via modification to the Squeak/Pharo IDE?

2012-02-28 Thread Chris Muller
There's a program for Squeak that does that -- it's called Etoys...

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 28.02.2012 um 19:15 schrieb Yanni Chiu: On 28/02/12 11:03 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote: I first used image persistence but the image grow to large. Then I added fuel as journal to be written before image save in order to be able to recover from an emergency. Now we redo the persistence

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Norbert, On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:32, Norbert Hartl wrote: I experience image corruption with big images. I am assuming you are using a normal image on a 32-bit Cog VM on Linux ? I am very interested in the practical limits on image size (not necessarily saving it). What vm switches did you

Re: [Pharo-project] can this be done via modification to the Squeak/Pharo IDE?

2012-02-28 Thread Tudor Girba
You mean to innovate on principle? I thought this is what Pharo is all about :) Doru On 28 Feb 2012, at 00:46, Lawson English wrote: http://vimeo.com/36579366 Lawson -- www.tudorgirba.com Some battles are better lost than fought.

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Yanni Chiu ya...@rogers.com wrote: On 28/02/12 11:03 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote: I first used image persistence but the image grow to large. Then I added fuel as journal to be written before image save in order to be able to recover from an emergency. Now we

Re: [Pharo-project] It would be me first

2012-02-28 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I would love to get some presentations for our cool forthcoming conference: if you see what I want to say norbert :) Nicolas will do two I guess one on riak one of the application he is developing for a german company. Stef On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote:

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14366

2012-02-28 Thread Marcus Denker
14366 - Issue 5418: compressedSourceCodeAt: is not used http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5418 Issue 5414: class FormStub is unused and undocumented http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5414 Issue 5417:

Re: [Pharo-project] It would be me first

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 28.02.2012 um 21:01 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse: I would love to get some presentations for our cool forthcoming conference: if you see what I want to say norbert :) Yes, I know :) I promised it to you, didn't I? I can do two as well. I could repeat my FOSDEM presentation on REST services

Re: [Pharo-project] It would be me first

2012-02-28 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Ok Excellent! what we should do is to make sure that the participants get information information and information about doing more business with pharo :). Stef Yes, I know :) I promised it to you, didn't I? I can do two as well. I could repeat my FOSDEM presentation on REST services with

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 28.02.2012 um 20:35 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: Norbert, On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:32, Norbert Hartl wrote: I experience image corruption with big images. I am assuming you are using a normal image on a 32-bit Cog VM on Linux ? yes I am very interested in the practical limits on

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Yanni Chiu
On 28/02/12 2:48 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Yes, object caching is NOT a problem itself, it is a feature of Glorp or whatever. If what you use (like Fuel) is slow, then it may require some tunning. It can be caching object or not. What I suggest is that you stress your system with big

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 28 Feb 2012, at 21:30, Norbert Hartl wrote: Am 28.02.2012 um 20:35 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: Norbert, On 28 Feb 2012, at 17:32, Norbert Hartl wrote: I experience image corruption with big images. I am assuming you are using a normal image on a 32-bit Cog VM on Linux ? yes

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Yanni Chiu
On 28/02/12 3:30 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: I'm sorry that's all. I just started to do deployments with pharo lately. I was doing everything in gemstone until 2 month ago. That's interesting. Have you moved everything to Pharo, or is some part still in GemStone? Can you outline why GemStone

Re: [Pharo-project] shorten petitparser expressions

2012-02-28 Thread Fabrizio Perin
2012/2/28 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com On 28 February 2012 17:50, Fabrizio Perin fabrizio.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think the reason is for consistency. If fact I like as it is now for that reason. $a asParser / $b asParser / #foo asParser It looks clear to me and is

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Yanni Chiu ya...@rogers.com wrote: On 28/02/12 2:48 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Yes, object caching is NOT a problem itself, it is a feature of Glorp or whatever. If what you use (like Fuel) is slow, then it may require some tunning. It can be caching

Re: [Pharo-project] Do we have the new primitive?? [WAS] Re: IdentitySet but using #hash rather than #identityHash ?

2012-02-28 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2012, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: All I can say is that I am impressed by the numbers it is really much faster. I still don't understand why I send this email with a

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 28.02.2012 um 22:09 schrieb Yanni Chiu: On 28/02/12 3:30 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: I'm sorry that's all. I just started to do deployments with pharo lately. I was doing everything in gemstone until 2 month ago. That's interesting. Have you moved everything to Pharo, or is some part

Re: [Pharo-project] can this be done via modification to the Squeak/Pharo IDE?

2012-02-28 Thread S Krish
We do need the spit n polish videos to project and go viral. Marketing Pharo..!.. I believe this is true marketing... Should appear as simple as these projects too, simple one pane view of code that does magic on the other.. Pharo can do more than this.. Eg: Pick morpho - physics , render the

Re: [Pharo-project] Proposal: coverage tests

2012-02-28 Thread Alexandre Bergel
That is just AMAZINGLY COOL. I cannot believe we can do that in 5 lines of code. WOW. Why nobody wrote a better test coverage report wich such backend? Alex, does you stuff do something with that? Hapao does not support statement coverage yet. We are currently working on it. We will

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Yanni Chiu
On 28/02/12 6:20 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: Uh, sorry for getting _slightly_ verbose and off-topic :) Thanks for the informative answer. It's good to learn how others tackle problems, and why they chose their solution.

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Who is using Fuel?

2012-02-28 Thread Yanni Chiu
On 28/02/12 4:30 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: If I understand you correctly, then what you are talking about is not caching objects but rather lazy loading. You mean when Glorp lets some proxies of the loaded graph so that they can load the rest of the graph later on? Okay, the concept I

[Pharo-project] 1.4 image

2012-02-28 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
Sig, I might have succeeded in building an image. I had to proceed past a fair number of Seaside 2-3 related errors, but the bulk of my code appears to be loaded. Alien certainly seems to have been the problem. The version of Migrate I used is attached. What do you think? Bill

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus version 4.0.4

2012-02-28 Thread laurent laffont
Hi Benjamin, I've worked with Nautilus and I like it. Several nice ideas to work faster. Good work ! Bugs: - Go in groups, select a class. Click Hierarchy, then Groups. The Hierarchy/Flat button state is wrong. - jump to test class not working (MNU) Suggestions: - we don't know if a test is