Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:52 PM Kilbride, James P. said the following: >> I admit I have not expressed myself clearly. What I meant is >> not that people should be disallowed to implement alternative >> APIs, but rather that they should not feel the need to do it. >> >> In the Java world, JDBC is

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 02:53 PM Robert Cummings said the following: >>> The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first >>> place was : >>> >>> "Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead of that >>> we have a never ending choice of PHP database abstraction

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Robert Cummings
t using my own > >> solutions for my own purposes. > > > > Aaaah, so you are trully a genius to be able to at a glance of > > documentation and source code fully deduce the usefulness of something. > > I bow before you. > > Be seriuos. Nobody needs to actually use any fram

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
> documentation and source code fully deduce the usefulness of something. > I bow before you. Be seriuos. Nobody needs to actually use any framework to see that it is not suitable for your needs, when you can just browse the source code and documentation. It would be insane to try all PHP fram

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Jens Kleikamp wrote: Matt Todd wrote: Because of this, I determined to build my own framework. This was a few months ago, and Canvas[1] was the result of my labor. I produced this framework while working on numerous projects at the university I work at. This allowed me to

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jens Kleikamp
Matt Todd wrote: In my experience with the other frameworks (primarily Wasp, CakePHP, Symfony, eZ Components, and Zend Framework), I've found that I was not satisfied with the quantity of low-quality code they advocate. I have a high standard for code quality, readability, maintainability, and (m

Re: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Matt Todd
In my experience with the other frameworks (primarily Wasp, CakePHP, Symfony, eZ Components, and Zend Framework), I've found that I was not satisfied with the quantity of low-quality code they advocate. I have a high standard for code quality, readability, maintainability, and (more generally) sem

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Martin Alterisio
2006/8/3, Manuel Lemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hello, on 08/01/2006 01:35 PM Gabe said the following: > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, a

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? I echo others in th

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Kilbride, James P.
> -Original Message- > From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:43 PM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion > > Hello, > > on 08/03/2006 09:25 AM Paul Scott said the follo

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 14:42 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: > Hello, > > on 08/03/2006 09:25 AM Paul Scott said the following: > > The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first > > place was : > > > > "Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead of that > >

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Robert Cummings
mework but instead try to pimp phpclasses. From what I gathered > >>> you haven't even actually tried anywhere in the vicinity of 10% of the > >>> frameworks in existence and yet you feel obliged to write a commenatary > >>> called "Recommended PHP Fram

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 09:25 AM Paul Scott said the following: > The main thing in Manual's post that got me writing this in the first > place was : > > "Imagine if there would be only one PDBC (JDBC for PHP). Instead of that > we have a never ending choice of PHP database abstraction layers that >

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 09:17 AM Jochem Maas said the following: > Arno Kuhl wrote: >> I'm not so sure if the botanist wasn't saying in a rather confused way that >> he was playing on the same side as PHPClasses, even if he did profess to be >> in the other team. Did he say he was rolling his own (in

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/03/2006 07:37 AM Jochem Maas said the following: > PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 > > :-) Erm Paul Scott is a good contributor of the PHPClasses site: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/author/145758.html Several of his classes have been nominated to the PHP Programming Innovation A

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Manuel Lemos
tried anywhere in the vicinity of 10% of the >>> frameworks in existence and yet you feel obliged to write a commenatary >>> called "Recommended PHP Frameworks" in which you don't even recommend a >>> framework. Additionally somehow while pimping phpclasse

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Richard Lynch
On Wed, August 2, 2006 9:50 am, Gabe wrote: > Gabe wrote: >> What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for >> application development? There seems to be a number of them out >> there, >> but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively >> developed, >> secure, etc et

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Paul Scott
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:43 +0200, Arno Kuhl wrote: > I'm not so sure if the botanist wasn't saying in a rather confused way that > he was playing on the same side as PHPClasses, even if he did profess to be > in the other team. Did he say he was rolling his own (in a way only > botanists can do)

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jochem Maas
Sent: 03 August 2006 12:37 > To: Paul Scott > Cc: Robert Cummings; Manuel Lemos; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion > > > PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 > > :-) > > Paul Scott wrote: >>> You mean we should all be happy that

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Arno Kuhl
ochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 August 2006 12:37 To: Paul Scott Cc: Robert Cummings; Manuel Lemos; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 :-) Paul Scott wrote: > >> You mean we should all be happy that so much

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-03 Thread Jochem Maas
PHPClasses 0 - Botanist 1 :-) Paul Scott wrote: > >> You mean we should all be happy that so much choice is available! >> > > I agree with Rob! I am a botanist. I have never been trained in Computer > Science, as far as "industry" is concerned, I am not qualified to turn > on a PC. Fortunately

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
> You mean we should all be happy that so much choice is available! > I agree with Rob! I am a botanist. I have never been trained in Computer Science, as far as "industry" is concerned, I am not qualified to turn on a PC. Fortunately for me, I am also a geek. My PHP experiences started when ru

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
gt; >> > >> http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/52-Recommended-PHP-frameworks.html > > > > I've read it before... it was crud. You provide no recommendation for > > any framework but instead try to pimp phpclasses. From what I gathered > > you have

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Manuel Lemos
o recommendation for > any framework but instead try to pimp phpclasses. From what I gathered > you haven't even actually tried anywhere in the vicinity of 10% of the > frameworks in existence and yet you feel obliged to write a commenatary > called "Recommended PHP Frameworks

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
dation for any framework but instead try to pimp phpclasses. From what I gathered you haven't even actually tried anywhere in the vicinity of 10% of the frameworks in existence and yet you feel obliged to write a commenatary called "Recommended PHP Frameworks" in which you don't eve

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 08/01/2006 01:35 PM Gabe said the following: > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > secure, etc etc. > > Thou

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Kilbride, James P. wrote: > I'm not going to comment on the rest of the stuff that was said, which > is why I snipped it. I'm not a purist when it comes to OO at all. But I > do have to say that while iterators in ruby are amazingly powerful that > leave me going wow.. that is so cool.. The thought

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Kilbride, James P.
I'm not going to comment on the rest of the stuff that was said, which is why I snipped it. I'm not a purist when it comes to OO at all. But I do have to say that while iterators in ruby are amazingly powerful that leave me going wow.. that is so cool.. The thought of how they could be abused and t

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
> I see that there are a few different Universities in Africa supporting > that framework. How active is the developer community? How long has > KINKY/Chisimba been around? > The AVOIR Project has been going for about 2 years now. KINKY and KEWL.NextGen were the first products of that projec

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Gabe
Paul Scott wrote: Too bad there isn't a skeleton sort-of system that you essentially then just plug in the modules that you want/need to "flesh" it out. Then you'd have your own customized framework for each app that is developed and keeps *all* of the modules relevant to that app. Nothing e

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: >> Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular >> framework in Java called Spring which has pretty cool features like >> "Inversion of Control", "Dependency Injection" etc. > > So

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 18:08 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: >> Robert Cummings wrote: >>> On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular framework in Java called Spring which has

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Gabe
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:50 -0400, Gabe wrote: Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed,

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 18:08 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: > >> Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular > >> framework in Java called Spring which has pretty cool features like

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
> Too bad there isn't a skeleton sort-of system that you essentially then > just plug in the modules that you want/need to "flesh" it out. Then > you'd have your own customized framework for each app that is developed > and keeps *all* of the modules relevant to that app. Nothing extra > wou

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:50 -0400, Gabe wrote: > Gabe wrote: > > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > > secure, et

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Gabe
Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? Sounds like it's just personal preference.

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:51 +0300, karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: > > Speaking about framework. Anybody is aware there is a very popular > framework in Java called Spring which has pretty cool features like > "Inversion of Control", "Dependency Injection" etc. Sounds similar to the service sy

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
Stut wrote: > Jochem Maas wrote: >> I'll have it ready for you next week, what kind of license do you want? >> > > One license to kill to go please. 006.5 your lic is in the post. and while I'm at it can I port an obscure OS to the hardware of your choice during my lunch break? > > -Stut --

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Stut
Jochem Maas wrote: I'll have it ready for you next week, what kind of license do you want? One license to kill to go please. -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Stut
Jochem Maas wrote: Stut wrote: Jochem Maas wrote: I'll have it ready for you next week, what kind of license do you want? One license to kill to go please. 006.5 your lic is in the post. and while I'm at it can I port an obscure OS to the hardware of your choice during

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Jochem Maas
karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote: > Tony Marston wrote: >> "Gabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for >>> application development? There seems to be a number of them out >>> there, but I'm not sure w

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread karthikeyan balasubramanian
Tony Marston wrote: "Gabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed,

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Scott
--=neXtPaRt_1154507404 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Personally, I think that the community at the Zend Framework is doing a > pretty good job. Everything is coded very well, with a lot of > possibilities to extend things to your personal needs (if nessecary).

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Tony Marston
"Gabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > secure, et

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Andries Seutens
Hidayet Dogan schreef: What about CakePHP and Code Igniter? I know working with Code Igniter easier than CakePHP, but CakePHP is more capable than Code Igniter. Hi, Lately frameworks have become a real *hype*. Currently, there are more than 40 frameworks out there, and new ones are being re

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-02 Thread Hidayet Dogan
What about CakePHP and Code Igniter? I know working with Code Igniter easier than CakePHP, but CakePHP is more capable than Code Igniter. On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 04:15 +0200, rich gray wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: [chop] An IDE is not a framework,

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 04:15 +0200, rich gray wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > [chop] > > An IDE is not a framework, it's an IDE :) > > > > Cheers, > > Rob. > > > I think Rob is being unduly modest - correct me if I am wrong but he is > the core developer of the InterJinn php framework -> >

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread rich gray
Robert Cummings wrote: [chop] An IDE is not a framework, it's an IDE :) Cheers, Rob. I think Rob is being unduly modest - correct me if I am wrong but he is the core developer of the InterJinn php framework -> http://interjinn.com - it's been out there for a while now (read: robust, fully

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Ligaya Turmelle
Colin Guthrie wrote: Satyam wrote: There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. I'm looking to do a bit of a rewrite of a large PHP application in the near

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 18:17 -0400, tedd wrote: At 10:46 PM +0100 8/1/06, Colin Guthrie wrote: I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. snip. I own Zend Professional, but don't use it (not good or bad). snip. An IDE is not a framework. it's an

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 18:17 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 10:46 PM +0100 8/1/06, Colin Guthrie wrote: > >I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. > > > >I'm looking to do a bit of a rewrite of a large PHP application in > >the near future and would like to think Zend would be a goo

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 23:40 +0100, Steve Turnbull wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: > > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > > but I'm not sure which one's are the mos

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Adam Zey
Steve Turnbull wrote: On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc.

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Steve Turnbull
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > secure, etc etc. > > Thoughts?

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Michael B Allen
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:44:28 +0200 "Satyam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and > lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. I would be very skeptical of any "suggestions" because only someone who tried multiple frameworks would b

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread tedd
At 10:46 PM +0100 8/1/06, Colin Guthrie wrote: I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. I'm looking to do a bit of a rewrite of a large PHP application in the near future and would like to think Zend would be a good horse to back, but the fact no-one here has mentioned it

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
Satyam wrote: There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Zend Framework yet. I'm looking to do a bit of a rewrite of a large PHP application in the near future and would like t

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Satyam
There is no 'common consensus' but I am sure you'll be getting lots and lots, I would even say LOTS, of sugestions. Satyam - Original Message - From: "Gabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: [PHP] PHP Framework

RE: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Kilbride, James P.
- > From: Gabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 12:36 PM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion > > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to > use for application development? There seems t

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:35 -0400, Gabe wrote: > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > secure, etc etc. > OK, from m

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Gabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for > application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, > but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, > secure, etc etc.

[PHP] PHP Frameworks - Opinion

2006-08-01 Thread Gabe
What's the common consensus as to a solid PHP framework to use for application development? There seems to be a number of them out there, but I'm not sure which one's are the most robust, actively developed, secure, etc etc. Thoughts? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsu

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-04 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 18:54 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: > The truth is that good PHP developers are often not good Web (page) > designers, and good Web designers are not good developers. Yes, I agree with this completely! I am a relatively decent developer, but ask me to design an interface and y

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 07/03/2006 05:22 PM Jay Paulson said the following: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recommendations for

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 07/03/2006 03:38 AM Lester Caine said the following: >>> I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template >>> engine other than smarty. >>> >>> I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does >>> anyone >>> have any recommendations for one th

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Lester Caine
Jay Paulson wrote: Thinking about this paragraph above makes me wonder if with that way of looking at it would one need a template engine? For example, why not just separate the business logic and the HTML as much as possible and then only imbed PHP in HTML to display the variables ()?? Then at

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Jay Paulson
>>> I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template >>> engine other than smarty. >>> >>> I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone >>> have any recommendations for one that is easy to pick up and run with? >>> >>> Finally, does anyone h

[PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Jens Kleikamp
Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 08:37, Jens Kleikamp wrote: Jay Paulson wrote: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I like ezTemplate. (E_STRICT) YOU DO?? I hope it's changed then from the one used on a site I'm now

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 08:37, Jens Kleikamp wrote: > Jay Paulson wrote: > > I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template > > engine other than smarty. > > > > I like ezTemplate. (E_STRICT) YOU DO?? I hope it's changed then from the one used on a site I'm now maintainin

[PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Jens Kleikamp
Jay Paulson wrote: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I like ezTemplate. (E_STRICT) I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recommendations for one that is easy to pick up and run wi

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Lester Caine
Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PDO is being pushed as a DB Abstraction library, but it only 'abstracts' the calls to PHP, it does nothing to abstract the SQL if you want a truly generic solution, if you need one, but if you don't the

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PDO is being pushed as a DB Abstraction library, but it only 'abstracts' > the calls to PHP, it does nothing to abstract the SQL if you want a > truly generic solution, if you need one, but if you don't then why > bother w

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-02 Thread Lester Caine
Manuel Lemos wrote: on 06/30/2006 11:38 AM Jay Paulson said the following: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recommendations for one that is e

[PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-02 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 06/30/2006 11:38 AM Jay Paulson said the following: > I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template > engine other than smarty. > > I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone > have any recommendations for one that is easy to

RE: [PHP] Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-01 Thread Martin Marques
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, KermodeBear wrote: http://pear.php.net/package/DB/ This one has no more development, besides bug fixes. It was merged to create the one below. http://pear.php.net/package/MDB2/ -- 21:50:04 up 2 days, 9:07, 0 users, load average: 0.92, 0.37, 0.18 -

Re: [PHP] Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-01 Thread Martin Marques
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Jay Paulson wrote: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. PEARs HTML_Template_IT... or mix it with other HTML_Template* I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recom

RE: [PHP] Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-06-30 Thread KermodeBear
> Finally, does anyone have any suggestions for a good PHP database > abstraction library? PHP5 has PDO for database abstraction; check the manual for information on that one. If you're stuck with PHP4 then PEAR has several offerings: http://pear.php.net/package/DB/ http://pear.php.net/package/MDB

[PHP] Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-06-30 Thread Jay Paulson
I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recommendations for one that is easy to pick up and run with? Finally, does anyone have any suggestions for a go

Re: [PHP] Recommended PHP frameworks

2006-04-27 Thread Jochem Maas
Robert Cummings wrote: A funny PHPClasses article... http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/52-Recommended-PHP-frameworks.html I find it telling that the guy who runs the PHP Classes site only uses his own code *lol*. Oh btw, the article says virtually nothing useful about frameworks, but it

Re: [PHP] Recommended PHP frameworks

2006-04-27 Thread Martin Alterisio
2006/4/27, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > A funny PHPClasses article... > > > http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/52-Recommended-PHP-frameworks.html One thing I understood after hitting my head many times to a wall is that "a good idea can be, and should be, explained in just three line

[PHP] Recommended PHP frameworks

2006-04-27 Thread Robert Cummings
A funny PHPClasses article... http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/52-Recommended-PHP-frameworks.html I find it telling that the guy who runs the PHP Classes site only uses his own code *lol*. Oh btw, the article says virtually nothing useful about frameworks, but it does go a long way to pimp

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks?

2006-01-27 Thread Richard K Miller
I haven't used them, but our local user group recently had a meeting on PHP frameworks[1]. The feeling of the people that have used them was that Symfony was a good project, and that CakePHP was a particularly large installation. No one mentioned having used Prado, WACT or WASP.

[PHP] PHP Frameworks?

2006-01-27 Thread Jay Paulson
Has anyone used any of the following frameworks? What is the general opinion of using frameworks etc? WASP - http://wasp.sourceforge.net/content/ Symfony - http://www.symfony-project.com/ Prado - http://www.xisc.com/ WACT - http://www.phpwact.org/ CakePHP - http://www.cakephp.org/ -- PHP Genera

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-28 Thread Ruben Rubio Rey
Script Head wrote: Nobody has mentioned Fusebox (www.fusebox.org). I have been using it to develop PHP applications for about 2 years. It has proven to be extremely flexible when a large number of developers collaborate on one project. jedit :) Love macros and plugins! http://www.jedit.org/

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2005-12-27 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 17:49 +0100, Petr Smith wrote: > > > > Can anyone point me to a good php MVC framework? > What about http://www.symfony-project.com/ ?? Anyone using it? > There is also a relatively new application framework, out of Africa, called KINKY. http://avoir.uwc.ac.za/projects/nex

[PHP] Re: PHP Frameworks

2005-12-27 Thread Petr Smith
Simon Reye wrote: I'm moving away from Cold Fusion and am considering java or php. I've mucked around with Struts and Coccoon on the java side and think they are great. There does not however seem to be any well backed projects similar to these for php. Can anyone point me to a good php MVC

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-27 Thread Scott DeMers
just find plans and objectives and no usable "framework". Thanks! -Shawn Zareef Ahmed wrote: Hi, There are a lot of PHP frameworks like Mojavi, Phrame, php.MVC, phpwebtk, Horde. My choice is Mojavi. BTW Zend is also doing some great work on it. Zareef Ahmed - Origi

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-24 Thread Script Head
Nobody has mentioned Fusebox (www.fusebox.org). I have been using it to develop PHP applications for about 2 years. It has proven to be extremely flexible when a large number of developers collaborate on one project.

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-24 Thread Shawn McKenzie
ry clear and easy to use. > Developers are very active in this work and documentation is very good. I > have chosen ZNF Framework because is fast and modular. > > bye > > On Friday 23 December 2005 20:57, Shawn McKenzie wrote: > >>Is there a good recent article on PH

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-24 Thread Fabiano Ricci
December 2005 20:57, Shawn McKenzie wrote: > Is there a good recent article on PHP Frameworks, or do people here has > a predominant one that outshines the others? > > I'm looking for something that is easy to use, fast and stable. > > Thanks! > -Shawn -- Fabiano Ric

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-24 Thread Alessandro Rossini
On Friday 23 December 2005 20:57, Shawn McKenzie wrote: > Is there a good recent article on PHP Frameworks, or do people here has > a predominant one that outshines the others? There are a lot of PHP frameworks available, some more mature than others but not yet a predominant one. Any

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-23 Thread Richard K . Miller
I haven't tried them yet, but I've been tagging all the PHP frameworks I come across: http://del.icio.us/rkm28/php+framework The first one I want to try is PHP on Trax (http:// www.phpontrax.com/). It was used to build the KatrinaHousing.org site that was used to provide h

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-23 Thread Chris Shiflett
Shawn McKenzie wrote: I searched on "Zend PHP Framework" because I had seen it referenced somewhere, however I can just find plans and objectives and no usable "framework". It hasn't been released yet. However, there are many components that are finished, and I think Zend hopes to release a be

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-23 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Thanks. I searched on "Zend PHP Framework" because I had seen it referenced somewhere, however I can just find plans and objectives and no usable "framework". Thanks! -Shawn Zareef Ahmed wrote: > Hi, > There are a lot of PHP frameworks like Mojavi, Phrame,

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-23 Thread Zareef Ahmed
Hi, There are a lot of PHP frameworks like Mojavi, Phrame, php.MVC, phpwebtk, Horde. My choice is Mojavi. BTW Zend is also doing some great work on it. Zareef Ahmed - Original Message - From: "Shawn McKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December

[PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-12-23 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Is there a good recent article on PHP Frameworks, or do people here has a predominant one that outshines the others? I'm looking for something that is easy to use, fast and stable. Thanks! -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.ph

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-03-14 Thread Burhan Khalid
Simon Reye wrote: I'm moving away from Cold Fusion and am considering java or php. I've mucked around with Struts and Coccoon on the java side and think they are great. There does not however seem to be any well backed projects similar to these for php. Can anyone point me to a good php MVC f

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-03-13 Thread Simon Reye
Jeffery Fernandez wrote: Simon Reye wrote: I'm moving away from Cold Fusion and am considering java or php. I've mucked around with Struts and Coccoon on the java side and think they are great. There does not however seem to be any well backed projects similar to these for php. Can anyone poi

Re: [PHP] PHP Frameworks

2005-03-13 Thread Jeffery Fernandez
Simon Reye wrote: I'm moving away from Cold Fusion and am considering java or php. I've mucked around with Struts and Coccoon on the java side and think they are great. There does not however seem to be any well backed projects similar to these for php. Can anyone point me to a good php MVC f

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