Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread JD Austin
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Robert Holtzman > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> I don't know but I did change to using plain text for some time because

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: >> >>> >>> I don't know but I did change to using plain text for some time because >> of >>> the desires of certain people here. The loss of functionality was

Re: Compact Flash memory test

2009-01-29 Thread Alan Dayley
You made a good choice. As you can see on the label, the cards are "Industrial Grade." This means, at least, they have SLC (Single Level Cell) flash in them. SLC is more data reliable and longer lived than MLC (Multi-Level Cell) flash. SLC = store only one bit per flash cell. MLC = store two (o

Re: ATTENTION: PLUG Service Outage

2009-01-29 Thread Sharkscott
Sequoia Rocks! ;-) It is/was very cool of them to host the PLUG site for so long. And Thanks to Deru for having us.. Scott On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Alan Dayley wrote: > Whoops! IRC channel is at irc.freenode.net. Channel #plugaz > > Alan > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Alan Dayl

Re: Trying Fedora

2009-01-29 Thread Stephen
Opensuse can do kde or gnome at the same time easily and generally has amazing hardware detection I say give it a try On 1/29/09, Rhune Lord wrote: > I have been a Kubuntu fan and 8.04 with most recent updates and (KDE > 3.5.9) finally acknowledge my broadcom wireless card, but did not find > th

Re: Trying Fedora

2009-01-29 Thread Rhune Lord
I have been a Kubuntu fan and 8.04 with most recent updates and (KDE 3.5.9) finally acknowledge my broadcom wireless card, but did not find the IDT audio (even with ALSA updates) on my Studio17 from Dell. How is Fedora 10 looking? Will it support Broadcom wireless and IDT audio after updates are r

Re: ATTENTION: PLUG Service Outage

2009-01-29 Thread Alan Dayley
Whoops! IRC channel is at irc.freenode.net. Channel #plugaz Alan On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Alan Dayley wrote: > Feel free to go hang out in the IRC channel during (And after!) the outage. > > I also want to give a HUGE thanks to Sequoia for supporting our > servers for these many years.

Re: ATTENTION: PLUG Service Outage

2009-01-29 Thread Alan Dayley
Feel free to go hang out in the IRC channel during (And after!) the outage. I also want to give a HUGE thanks to Sequoia for supporting our servers for these many years. They have been great to us! Alan On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: > At approx 16:30 today the PLUG web a

ATTENTION: PLUG Service Outage

2009-01-29 Thread Brian Cluff
At approx 16:30 today the PLUG web and mailing list server will be shut down and moved from Sequoia Schools where they have supplied hosting for just short of 10 years to a location at Deru that they have been very generous in donating to us. We expect to have the server back online at approxim

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Stephen P Rufle
There was an interesting article in Wired about Comcast seems they had to learn how to be an ISP instead of a dumb pipe Cable TV provider http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/17-02/mf_brianroberts We as a group are VERY vocal minority. Most people would not even know or even be effected b

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non"time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Joe Fleming
If you have a router that can run Tomato (http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato), give that a spin. I have BT running 24/7 and haven't ever had a problem with surfing, VoIP, SSH, FTP, streaming radio or anything else. I section off about 25% of my bandwidth for BT as a max and also give it the lowes

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Joe Fleming
For better or worse, I'm usually pushing in excess of 50GB of traffic (combined up and down) a week on average. I can safely say that BT is not being "throttled" by Cox. Maybe on the default ports. could be handy when they roll out the new shaping policy. -Joe Sharkscott wrote: Check

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non"time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Alex Dean
Keep in mind the distinction between bandwidth and latency. Prioritizing traffic for applications which need low latency seems like a reasonable goal for an ISP. "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Joe Fleming
I only use Cox for the net, and I have to say, coming from the Chicago area and dealing with Comcast, Cox is exponentially better. It's great being able to use bittorrent again and actually download things over HTTP at speeds worth paying $50-60/mo for. You guys bitch a lot about Cox, and I can

RE: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you getserver hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Lisa Kachold
Drupal has all the capability of phpBB and none of the exploits. I have a few CMS setup on a free hoster at 110mb.com - but the PLUG must use secure features and be careful that what is enabled meets the provisions of the group's purpose. A great deal of CMS functions and features must be mai

RE: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you getserver hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Bob Elzer
Has anyone ever thought of setting up a php2bb or similar forum ? People could still have it forward email when a topic changes, or just go to the forum. On that idea, my other thought was about xchat, has anyone ever thought about using teamspeak ? -Original Message- From: plug-discus

RE: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non"time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Bob Elzer
Well said Enrique In fact I'm trying to do this on my own home network. (With not so good success right now) I have a VOIP Phone, and I like to use P2P, so I'm trying to set up my network to Give High priority to My Voip, while slowing down the P2P, I also what my regular browsing to have precede

16KVA APC Symmertra looking for a home (free)

2009-01-29 Thread Charles Jones
We have a rather large APC Symmertra SYMSTRF-PD UPS unit + battery modules that I would be willing to donate (FREE - just come take it away). If anyone is interested in a *data-center* class UPS unit, please contact me via email (email only please). The unit is similar to this one: http://cgi

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Jared Anderson
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: > > > > > I don't know but I did change to using plain text for some time because > of > > the desires of certain people here. The loss of functionality was > > bothersome so I finally switched back t

Re: KNOPPIX 6.0 Released

2009-01-29 Thread eculbert
2 seconds!! That slow? I had to continually tap 'space bar' to get it to stop!! And that was on an old P3-800 machine! 73 Ed/ke7feg Now that November is here, April can wait! On 2/23/2007 the morse code requirement was dropped for getting a ham license. Now just pass the written exams whi

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Dazed_75
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Stephen wrote: > Usually its pretty? > > Or maybe conveys information more efficiently? Larry --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Stephen
Usually its pretty? On 1/29/09, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: > >> >> I don't know but I did change to using plain text for some time because of >> the desires of certain people here. The loss of functionality was >> bothersome so I finally switched back to the r

Re: KNOPPIX 6.0 Released

2009-01-29 Thread Dazed_75
Neat setup to service a lot of visually impaired folks and making it the default makes sense for that audience. Looks like they have a lot of work to do to maximize that benefit but they are well on the way. I am not qualified to test that thoroughly, but here are a few of the things I found in p

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Dazed_75
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: > > > > > I don't know but I did change to using plain text for some time because > of > > the desires of certain people here. The loss of functionality was > > bothersome so I finally switched back t

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread JD Austin
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: > > > > > I don't know but I did change to using plain text for some time because > of > > the desires of certain people here. The loss of functionality was > > bothersome so I finally switched back t

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Dazed_75
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Judd Pickell wrote: > > >> Maybe those folks should just go back to using carrier pidgeons. >> Alternatives could include changing to using an email client that would >> support THEIR need to block or convert HTML to text. Expecting the rest of >> the world to ch

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Dazed_75 wrote: > > I don't know but I did change to using plain text for some time because of > the desires of certain people here. The loss of functionality was > bothersome so I finally switched back to the rich text mode of gmail. Excuse my ignorance but what functionali

Re: Compact Flash memory test

2009-01-29 Thread Mike Bushroe
>From the photo on ebay, they look to be Sandisk. http://tinyurl.com/d9up8f They have not arrived yet, but the machine I will be testing them on I just added an Ubuntu partition to, so I do not have to do any testing in Windoze. Mike >-svfw /dev/flashdevice will perform a butteryfly test with

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread eculbert
DSL CAN be slow...if the 'other end' is swamped. Take 'news' around 8 am when all the offices open for programers/etc. They seemingly all check 'the news' about the same time. Same for yahoomail. But when I access something else that isn't 'popular', then zoom, it comes in at the subscribed rate

RE: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Lisa Kachold
I think this is a "Why Microsoft Suxs" dig, you know? http://wiki.obnosis.com | http://hackfest.obnosis.com | http://nuke.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 PLUG HACKFESTS - http://uat.edu Second Saturday of Each Month Noon - 3PM Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:28:58 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re:

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Judd Pickell
> > Maybe those folks should just go back to using carrier pidgeons. > Alternatives could include changing to using an email client that would > support THEIR need to block or convert HTML to text. Expecting the rest of > the world to change to do what they want is just wrong and ain't gonna > hap

RE: OT: HTML Email Security

2009-01-29 Thread Lisa Kachold
HTML (javascript) in email can be used for harmful intent: 1) XSS tunneling 2) URI encoding crafted info/scripts 3) Virus [Microsoft] 4) Worms [RPC] Most of these issues are trivially scrubbed with clamav (daily updated signatures based on reported virus), spamassassin on the MTA (sendmail,exi

RE: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Lisa Kachold
Drupal uses Mailman. There is a web based signup and HTML portal for list message archiving in Drupal. www.Obnosis.com | http://wiki.obnosis.com | http://hackfest.obnosis.com | http://nuke.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 PLUG HACKFESTS - http://uat.edu Second Saturday of Each Month Noon - 3PM

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Sharkscott
If my info is right, your right. ;-) For cox it only goes down to the node, half a street or a whole or half a apartment complexes..I think.. Scott On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: > I think the problem Cox is trying to address is inherent in their > technology, namely that

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Alex Dean
On Jan 29, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: Hans is moving the servers to a spiffy new hosting provider. Drupal is being upgraded by a team of volunteers. Drupal's mail features can be set for each user in the mailer functions. If you don't want your mail to be sent HTML, you can spe

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Dazed_75
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Judd Pickell wrote: > Not everyone wants to have change a setting while just trying to view their > emails. Although to be fair I use gmail so I don't have to be concerned > about it. But I am sure there are people on this list still using Pine or > equiv, since t

RE: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Lisa Kachold
Hans is moving the servers to a spiffy new hosting provider. Drupal is being upgraded by a team of volunteers. Drupal's mail features can be set for each user in the mailer functions. If you don't want your mail to be sent HTML, you can specify that under your list manager settings on the PL

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Eric Shubert
I think the problem Cox is trying to address is inherent in their technology, namely that customers share bandwidth. DSL doesn't have this issue (DSL has finer grained control). That's my understanding at any rate. Sharkscott wrote: > I agree Shawn, I like your idea, I don't download THAT much,

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread Judd Pickell
Not everyone wants to have change a setting while just trying to view their emails. Although to be fair I use gmail so I don't have to be concerned about it. But I am sure there are people on this list still using Pine or equiv, since that is and can be done via commandline like ssh from a phone.

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Sharkscott
Check out what I just found.. http://lifehacker.com/5141758/measurement-lab-checks-if-your-connection-is-being-throttled On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:48 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com < kitepi...@kitepilot.com> wrote: > >> why should my downloads from a P2P network... > Apologies, I think I didn't mak

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com
>> why should my downloads from a P2P network... Apologies, I think I didn't make this clear. My customer can (and do) download whatever they want to, what I stop is Joe Annon downloading P2P stuff FROM my customer's puter. >> rate limit your customers to their contracted rate and >> minimize ov

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Sharkscott
I agree Shawn, I like your idea, I don't download THAT much, but why 'pay' for when its someone else watching a thousand videos at once that is causing the network slowdown.. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: > Nicely said. I agree. > > kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: > > I thi

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Eric Shubert
Nicely said. I agree. kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: > I think that this is being taken out of context... > I manage a small wireless network with around a hundred victims... > er... > CUSTOMERS!:) > > Being a wireless network, we face challenges that wired networks don care > about, and wh

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread Shawn Badger
I normally stay out of these, but I just want to ask why you don't rate limit your customers to their contracted rate and minimize over selling your bandwidth? I would that would prevent "joe the hacker" from bringing down other customers in the first place. I don't have issues with stuff like VoIP

Re: OT: HTML Emails -- Re: Other than frys where would you get server hardware

2009-01-29 Thread JD Austin
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Nathan England wrote: > On Wednesday 28 January 2009 11:49:48 Patrick Jacques wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Patrick Jacques < > moz-do-not-send="true" > > href="mailto:patr...@kinetic-computing.net";> > patr..

Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic

2009-01-29 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com
I think that this is being taken out of context... I manage a small wireless network with around a hundred victims... er... CUSTOMERS!:) Being a wireless network, we face challenges that wired networks don care about, and when the traffic spikes, we have to "manage". Let me state in here t