Re: [NF] Python/Dabo application packaging options

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 14, 2008, at 3:23 AM, Malcolm Greene wrote: > Can your packaging of an application include external components > like a > MySQL or SQLite engine or must these be separate installs? SQLite is part of Python now, so that's included if Python is. You could probably include other n

[NF] Python/Dabo support for VFP-like text/textmerge capabilities

2008-01-14 Thread Malcolm Greene
Ed/Paul and other Python users, Does Python/Dabo support VFP-like text/endtext or textmerge capabilities? I understand that Python supports an eval() capability and that an execscript() capability could easily be implemented by simply saving the source to a temp file and having the Python engine

[NF] Python/Dabo GUI support for HTML and RTF display/edit controls

2008-01-14 Thread Malcolm Greene
Ed/Paul and other Python users, How well does Python/Dabo have GUI controls that support the display and/or editing of of rich content in an HTML or RTF format? How portable are these controls? Thank you, Malcolm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.co

[NF] Python/Dabo source code and data protection

2008-01-14 Thread Malcolm Greene
Ed/Paul, What tools/techniques are available for protecting Python/Dabo source code and data? Or are these concepts 'old-school' thinking in the brave new world of open source based development? Are there py* package encryption/protection tools similar to Refox, Armadillo, or Molebox? Are there

[NF] Python/Dabo Unicode and locale support

2008-01-14 Thread Malcolm Greene
Ed/Paul, I understand that Python is Unicode compatible and thus, by default, so is Dabo. Are these statements true? Are there Unicode issues with Python/Dabo that VFP developers new to these tools need to be aware of? How well does Python/Dabo support locale issues such as date, time, number f

[NF] Python/Dabo OS specific development issues (VFP's sys() functions)

2008-01-14 Thread Malcolm Greene
Ed/Paul, If one is developing Python/Dabo applications, how do you program for OS specific issues like: - screen size and color resolution - desktop space available for application (single/multi-monitor setups) - system metrics (default colors, sounds, fonts, etc) - interface to clipboard - print

[NF] Python/Dabo application packaging options

2008-01-14 Thread Malcolm Greene
Ed/Paul, Can your packaging of an application include external components like a MySQL or SQLite engine or must these be separate installs? Do the py* packagers support the ability to create multiple 'library files' (for lack of a better term?) that can be updated independent of the main distribu

Re: [NF] Python and a little Dabo

2007-08-03 Thread Ed Leafe
On Aug 3, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: >> Dunno - never used ODBC. What backend are you connecting to? > > I connect to SQLserver through ODBC using sqlStringConnect(). But > every > reference to odbc connections asks for a Data Source. What do you > use in > Dabo to connect to

Re: [NF] Python and a little Dabo

2007-08-03 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Hi Ed! I guessed it might be you who answered ;c) see below... Ed Leafe wrote: > On Aug 3, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: > >> got some questions for python gurus in fox terms. >> How do I do set defa to... in py? >> Is there a getdir() and/or getfile() in some module? > >

Re: [NF] Python and a little Dabo

2007-08-03 Thread Ed Leafe
On Aug 3, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: > got some questions for python gurus in fox terms. > How do I do set defa to... in py? > Is there a getdir() and/or getfile() in some module? os.getcwd() gets the current working directory, os.chdir() changes to a different direct

Re: [NF] Python and a little Dabo

2007-08-03 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Hi, got some questions for python gurus in fox terms. How do I do set defa to... in py? Is there a getdir() and/or getfile() in some module? All the docs about ODBC connections to my DB require the use of a Data Source. Is there a way to send just a connection string as I would with sqlStr

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-04 Thread Derek Kalweit
> > it is often said that one of the main strengths of Python is the large > > number of classes available - but - the choice thing again - how > > do you > > find out what is available in any particular area? > Google is your friend, my son. ;-) Until you host websites and they f*** y

RE: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-04 Thread Allen
And he is watching you Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe at 3:45 AM, Andy Davies wrote: > it is often said that one of the main strengths of Python is the large > number of classes available - but - the choice thing again -

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-04 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 4, 2007, at 3:45 AM, Andy Davies wrote: > it is often said that one of the main strengths of Python is the large > number of classes available - but - the choice thing again - how > do you > find out what is available in any particular area? Google is your friend, my son. ;-)

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-04 Thread Michael Hawksworth
10 or 20 years experience ;) -- Regards Michael. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-04 Thread Andy Davies
> because the classes we based it on are freely available it is often said that one of the main strengths of Python is the large number of classes available - but - the choice thing again - how do you find out what is available in any particular area? Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Malcolm Greene
Ed, > I second Ted's comment that Dabo is not the way to learn Python. You will get > so much more out of Dabo if you already know Python. Thank you! Malcolm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/l

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Sales Info wrote: > I'm trying to like Python. Haven't had my "aha" moment yet. Plan on > downloading the latest Dabo release soon and giving it another try. I second Ted's comment that Dabo is not the way to learn Python. You will get so much more out of Dab

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Malcolm Greene
Ted, > Just as I've used HTML-Kit, VFP, West-Wind, SQL Server, IIS, Windows, > SlickEdit, SourceSafe, Visual MaxFrame, Codebook, FoxFire!, Stonefield and > more in my toolbox in my VFP days, I think it's important to be quite > familiar with a variety of tools, platforms and languages ... Gre

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Ted Roche
On 4/3/07, Sales Info <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW: What direction are you moving in - Python, PHP, Ruby, other, all? I'd love to answer "All," but I'm not twenty any more, when I listed a dozen languages I had worked in on my resume. That was a long time ago (and there weren't many more than

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Malcolm Greene
Ed, > Of course, you can create your own! You missed your calling. You should have been in marketing! Gotta find some time and lock myself away with Dabo & Python for a day. Malcolm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: ht

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Sales Info
Ted, > Or go to the far more civilized wiki and read the collective wisdom: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments Perfect! BTW: What direction are you moving in - Python, PHP, Ruby, other, all? Here's where I'm at in my "evolution" ... I'm loving PHP - it feels prett

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Sales Info wrote: > Note to self: ... too many damn choices ;) Of course, you can create your own! That's not as far-fetched as it may seem. Look at the Dabo editor: in many ways, it's much more advanced than the VFP editor, yet it took the two of

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Ted Roche
On 4/3/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Go to the python mailing list and ask about favorite editors if you want > to see a flame war. Or go to the far more civilized wiki and read the collective wisdom: http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments > Note t

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Malcolm Greene
Whil, > Go to the python mailing list and ask about favorite editors ... Was looking for feedback from a VFP developer perspective, but will check out the mailing lists and forums - good suggestions! Malcolm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Sub

RE: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Sales Info
Dave and Ed, Thanks for your feedback! Note to self: ... too many damn choices ;) Malcolm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
> > As Whil likes to point out, the problem here is that you have > *choices*! Problems, problems reminds me of the Russian Premier, when called in the middle of the night in the Bond film about some impending disaster or another. Felix or M (or whoever called the Premier) closed th

Re: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Ed Leafe
On Apr 3, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Malcolm Greene wrote: > For those of you checking out Python ... anyone using the commerical > version of Python or Python IDE/Editor from ActiveState? > > http://www.activestate.com/Products/ActivePython/ > > Curious as to what the pros/cons of this product is vs. ope

RE: [NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crozier
into Python yet I can't comment with any authority but it seems to come out as top of the pops for Python. Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: 03 April 2007 17:01 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: [NF] Python

[NF] Python: Any advantage to ActivateState IDE/Editor?

2007-04-03 Thread Malcolm Greene
For those of you checking out Python ... anyone using the commerical version of Python or Python IDE/Editor from ActiveState? http://www.activestate.com/Products/ActivePython/ Curious as to what the pros/cons of this product is vs. open-source equivalents in the Python world. Thanks, Malcolm

Re: [NF] Python

2007-03-20 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Ted Roche wrote: > On 3/17/07, Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ok, so I finally got around to peek at Python. Been looking at a couple >> of screenshots, Boa, Dabo, Zope. And will start reading Pilgrim's Dive >> into Python (unless somebody recommends some other book). > > "Dive Into P

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-19 Thread Garrett Fitzgerald
On 3/16/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Moin-moin is actually a great example for this. It runs standalone, as > a CGI app or with helper apps like Twisted, FastCGI or Mod_python. > > There's more than one way to do it, and you have choices, of course. There's More Than One Way To Sk

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-19 Thread Ted Roche
On 3/15/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just saw that the Apache, Fedora, and Ubu wiki projects are all run on > a Python-based wiki framework, moinmoin. Seems time to push this higher > up on the list. Yet another followup: at the Python Conference 2007, there was a panel

Re: [NF] Python

2007-03-18 Thread Ted Roche
On 3/17/07, Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, so I finally got around to peek at Python. Been looking at a couple > of screenshots, Boa, Dabo, Zope. And will start reading Pilgrim's Dive > into Python (unless somebody recommends some other book). "Dive Into Python" is a bit heady. I f

Re: [NF] Python

2007-03-17 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: > >> Let's say you >> have some construct (I guess it would be tuples) that acts like a >> cursor. Can you set filters on it? Can you order it (with ease)? > > You can do this with native Python, but not without writing a b

Re: [NF] Python

2007-03-17 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: > Let's say you > have some construct (I guess it would be tuples) that acts like a > cursor. Can you set filters on it? Can you order it (with ease)? You can do this with native Python, but not without writing a bunch of code. That's wh

[NF] Python

2007-03-17 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Ok, so I finally got around to peek at Python. Been looking at a couple of screenshots, Boa, Dabo, Zope. And will start reading Pilgrim's Dive into Python (unless somebody recommends some other book). I can see you can easily define a GUI, set object properties, etc. But there are a couple of quest

Re: [NF] Python and the Web [Followup]

2007-03-16 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Ted Roche wrote: > On 3/16/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My ISP is running Python 1.5. Which was released 7 years, 11 months ago. >> Yes, the version they've got running was released when there wasn't a >> 2 in the year. >> > > On the bright side, it's pretty stable. And

Re: [NF] Python and the Web [Followup]

2007-03-16 Thread Ted Roche
On 3/16/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My ISP is running Python 1.5. Which was released 7 years, 11 months ago. > Yes, the version they've got running was released when there wasn't a > 2 in the year. > On the bright side, it's pretty stable. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Ass

Re: [NF] Python and the Web [Followup]

2007-03-16 Thread Matthew Jarvis
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: >>I just saw that the Apache, Fedora, and Ubu wiki projects are all run on >>a Python-based wiki framework, moinmoin. Seems time to push this higher >>up on the list. >> >>What requirements are there, other than mod_python and some tweaks to >>httpd.conf, for Python to

Re: [NF] Python and the Web [Followup]

2007-03-16 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
> I just saw that the Apache, Fedora, and Ubu wiki projects are all run on > a Python-based wiki framework, moinmoin. Seems time to push this higher > up on the list. > > What requirements are there, other than mod_python and some tweaks to > httpd.conf, for Python to replace PHP as the languag

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-16 Thread Ted Roche
On 3/15/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So far, all my LAMP work has been with Apache, MySQL and PHP. An expert! > I just saw that the Apache, Fedora, and Ubu wiki projects are all run on > a Python-based wiki framework, moinmoin. Seems time to push this higher > up on the l

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-15 Thread MB Software Solutions
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > One of the biggest mistakes you can make in life is assuming that the > other guy is thinking rationally. > LOL! Yes, and you show your experience in years versus my youth when it comes to this fact. ;-) -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC h

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-15 Thread kc
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:39:10 -0500 "Whil Hentzen (Pro*)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So with mod python, you'd build an HTML page, embed python functions > in it, call it from your browser (index.py), and it works like PHP? Sure, your HTML page could look something like this. <% for c

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-15 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
MB Software Solutions wrote: > Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: >> I've got a question out to my isp about whether or not they support >> python as well as PHP. I'm not hopeful. So I may end up hosting it here. >> > Wow...in today's market, you'd think this would be a given (re: > supporting PHP and

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-15 Thread MB Software Solutions
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > I've got a question out to my isp about whether or not they support > python as well as PHP. I'm not hopeful. So I may end up hosting it here. > Wow...in today's market, you'd think this would be a given (re: supporting PHP and Python, seeing their popularity level

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-15 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
>> You have a .php page on the server. In it is a mixture of >> PHP and HTML code. When a browser requests the page, the PHP module >> interprets PHP commands and functions on the page and returns static >> text as results of those commands and functions." > > You can configure mod_python to r

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-15 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
Ed Leafe wrote: > On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > >> What requirements are there, other than mod_python and some tweaks to >> httpd.conf, for Python to replace PHP as the language engine for a >> Web app? > > Uh... it depends. See below. OK, that's a good first

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-15 Thread kc
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:46:44 -0500 "Whil Hentzen (Pro*)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What requirements are there, other than mod_python and some tweaks to > httpd.conf, for Python to replace PHP as the language engine for a > Web app? That depends. :) The most basic setup all you need is mod

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-15 Thread Ed Leafe
On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > What requirements are there, other than mod_python and some tweaks to > httpd.conf, for Python to replace PHP as the language engine for a > Web app? Uh... it depends. See below. > What are the differences, if any, running on a

Re: [NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-15 Thread Mike at GGI
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote: > And how does it work? I've poked around a bit but haven't found a 30 > second 'this is what it does' tutorial. I'm looking for one of those > explanations you'd get while riding up in an elevator with someone, on > the order of "PHP is an Apache module that intercept

[NF] Python and the Web

2007-03-15 Thread Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
So far, all my LAMP work has been with Apache, MySQL and PHP. Well, and TuxRacer. An advantage, sort of, is that this all also works on a Windows server, although Apache on a Windows server is one of those "Why would you haul a fishing boat with a Ferrari?" kind of issues. Python has been on '

RE: [NF] Python shown to be the best language...

2006-12-01 Thread Hal Kaplan
=> Subject: Re: [NF] Python shown to be the best language... =>  => On Nov 30, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote: =>  => > So in spite of all the technological advances of the past 70,000 => > years, you are still working with old stuff. And people => say

Re: [NF] Python shown to be the best language...

2006-11-30 Thread Ed Leafe
On Nov 30, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote: > So in spite of all the technological advances of the past 70,000 > years, you are still working with old stuff. And people say the > Fox is old. Geez. In another 70,000 years they should have all the bugs worked out, too. -- Ed Leafe

RE: [NF] Python shown to be the best language...

2006-11-30 Thread Hal Kaplan
=> Subject: [NF] Python shown to be the best language... =>  => ...or at least the oldest! =>  => http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061130081347.htm =>  => -- Ed Leafe So in spite of all the technological advances of the past 70,000 years, you are still working

[NF] Python shown to be the best language...

2006-11-30 Thread Ed Leafe
...or at least the oldest! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061130081347.htm -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-03 Thread Andy Davies
> > well there's:-> > www.eetasoft.ee/ewebserv.htm Desmond Lloyd said "Wonder if it works?" It works fine - don't know how it scales (it's probably limited bt ms socks) Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8-)# ** This em

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Pete Theisen
On Monday 02 October 2006 11:05, Stephen the Cook wrote: > Ed Leafe <> wrote: > > On Oct 2, 2006, at 10:33 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote: > >> Am I in the minority who thinks that there are still places for > >> smart/rich/fat clients instead of browser based apps? > > > > Yes, and so am I. T

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Chet Gardiner
Nope! MB Software Solutions wrote: >Man-wai CHANG wrote: > > > >>> But the point is that nobody can buy Python and control it. You >>>simply cannot have a situation like what happened with Fox, where >>>Microsoft bought Fox Software, took what it could use from it, and >>>tossed it aside.

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Mark Stanton
And a very dangerous shift it is too. Having got things going so the average man at the desk has some say in his computing, the big companies have worked out it's not good for their income and are trying to kill it. Very bad for individual freedom imo. Mark Stanton One small step for mankind..

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Ted Roche
On 10/2/06, Alan Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Aw, come on in Ted, the DotCom^D^D^D Web 2.0 bubble is lovely ;) Yes, it is. Like the podcast bubble or the housing bubble, there are people making lots of money, other people's money, and there's an irrational exuberance, and there's a nugge

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Alan Bourke
Aw, come on in Ted, the DotCom^D^D^D Web 2.0 bubble is lovely ;) -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread MB Software Solutions
Stephen the Cook wrote: I think that amazon.com is past the "fad" phase. Certainly there are exceptions to every rule, and in fact, amazon.com and sites like it absolutely have to have a web client (not desktop client). But the fact that so many rush to the web just to say they're on t

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread MB Software Solutions
Jean Laeremans wrote: Everything in this freakin' industry moves "very very very fast!" Drives you nuts! Depends on how eager you are to jump on the latest bandwagon... Only to have the paradigm change everything you've spent learning that past 2-3 years (every 2-3 years)...Windows DNA a

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Stephen the Cook
Ed Leafe <> wrote: > On Oct 2, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: > >> I think that the one thing getting in the way of the fat client, is >> B2B interactions. In the fat client model, data is behind the >> firewall and secure. Now we have to open that hole for access? > > This is

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Ted Roche
On 10/2/06, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am I in the minority who thinks that there are still places for smart/rich/fat clients instead of browser based apps? Yes. But being in the minority is not such a bad thing. The majority drinks Bud. I've developed in-house intranet

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread David Crooks
On Monday, October 02, 2006 11:18 AM Jean Laeremans wrote: >Sure Stephen but i fail to see the pointor do you believe to amazon guys are now busy >transforming >their website to ROR fe ? No, but I have heard it is the world's leading provider of infrastructure Web services from MSD2D .NET Ne

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 10/2/06, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think that amazon.com is past the "fad" phase. Sure Stephen but i fail to see the pointor do you believe to amazon guys are now busy transforming their website to ROR fe ? A+ jml ___ P

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Ed Leafe
On Oct 2, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: I think that the one thing getting in the way of the fat client, is B2B interactions. In the fat client model, data is behind the firewall and secure. Now we have to open that hole for access? This is a no-brainer with web services. I

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Stephen the Cook
Jean Laeremans <> wrote: > On 10/2/06, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Malcolm Greene wrote: >> >>> On the other hand, I also see an accelerating shift to software as a >>> service model where customers pay for a product on a monthly basis >>> vs. making big upfront purchase

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Stephen the Cook
Ed Leafe <> wrote: > On Oct 2, 2006, at 10:33 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote: > >> Am I in the minority who thinks that there are still places for >> smart/rich/fat clients instead of browser based apps? > > Yes, and so am I. There are tons of excellent web application tools > out there to

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 10/2/06, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Malcolm Greene wrote: >On the other hand, I also see an accelerating shift to software as a >service model where customers pay for a product on a monthly basis vs. >making big upfront purchases followed by yearly upgrades. I think the

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread MB Software Solutions
Malcolm Greene wrote: On the other hand, I also see an accelerating shift to software as a service model where customers pay for a product on a monthly basis vs. making big upfront purchases followed by yearly upgrades. I think the purchase software business model that we all grew up with is dyi

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Malcolm Greene
Michael, >Am I in the minority who thinks that there are still places for smart/rich/fat >clients instead of browser based apps? Here, here! I'm betting my retirement on it! On the other hand, I also see an accelerating shift to software as a service model where customers pay for a product on a

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Ed Leafe
On Oct 2, 2006, at 10:33 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote: Am I in the minority who thinks that there are still places for smart/rich/fat clients instead of browser based apps? Yes, and so am I. There are tons of excellent web application tools out there today, but hardly anything for the de

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread MB Software Solutions
Man-wai CHANG wrote: >>But the point is that nobody can buy Python and control it. You >>simply cannot have a situation like what happened with Fox, where >>Microsoft bought Fox Software, took what it could use from it, and >>tossed it aside. >> >> > >Basically, all the 3 xBase tools (C

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Desmond Lloyd
Wonder if it works? > To: profox@leafe.com> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:34:59 > +0100> Subject: Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently> > >Basically, all the > 3 xBase tools (Clipper, dBase and Foxpro) were dumped> >by their new own

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Tristan Leask
And it works extremely well! Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Davies Posted At: 02 October 2006 09:35 Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently Subject: Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-02 Thread Andy Davies
>Basically, all the 3 xBase tools (Clipper, dBase and Foxpro) were dumped >by their new owners when internet came. No one seemed to have interest >to extend them to work in a browser. well there's:- www.eetasoft.ee/ewebserv.htm Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8-)# ***

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-01 Thread Man-wai CHANG
> But the point is that nobody can buy Python and control it. You > simply cannot have a situation like what happened with Fox, where > Microsoft bought Fox Software, took what it could use from it, and > tossed it aside. Basically, all the 3 xBase tools (Clipper, dBase and Foxpro) were dum

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-01 Thread Andy Davies
I just downloaded XAMPP for Win (- because you can unzip it onto a memory stick, *awesome*) - but it doesn't have Python. There is a Python addin offered but it seems to be a few versions old - does anyone know if / how I could add in v 2.5? Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8-)# **

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-01 Thread Ed Leafe
On Oct 1, 2006, at 7:01 AM, Man-wai CHANG wrote: It does not have Microsoft sales people saying that it will be discontinued because they are selling something different that month. You don't have customers asking what will happen with Fox when it is not supported anymore. Not really... Mic

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-10-01 Thread Man-wai CHANG
> You won't have to put up with the one thing that irritates the people on this > list the most about VFP - (maybe the only thing that > bothers us about it) It does not have Microsoft sales people saying that it > will be discontinued because they are selling > something different that month.

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-30 Thread Man-wai CHANG
> >> That would be running away from Foxpro, not defending it. :) > Remember that Dabo is written by two long-time Fox developers. You'd > be surprised how much that influences the design! > I shall see... -_- -- .~.http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-30 Thread KAM
: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently On Sep 29, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Man-wai CHANG wrote: > That would be running away from Foxpro, not defending it. :) Remember that Dabo is written by two long-time Fox developers. You'd be surprised how m

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-30 Thread Man-wai CHANG
> You mean like the SednaX project? If not more than that... How about cloning those Windows UI controls (to name a few, Flexgrid, Treeview, ...) in the next Foxpro? -- .~.http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.18 /( _ )\ (Ubuntu 6.06) 22:13:01

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-29 Thread john harvey
You mean like the SednaX project? John Harvey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Man-wai CHANG Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:49 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently >> Create a Foxpro VM using

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-29 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 29, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Man-wai CHANG wrote: That would be running away from Foxpro, not defending it. :) Remember that Dabo is written by two long-time Fox developers. You'd be surprised how much that influences the design! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com _

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-29 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 29, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Man-wai CHANG wrote: I knew about Dabo, but it requires us to learn a new language. I meant, if Foxpro language is good itself, why not extends its life like what http://www.harbour-project.org is doing with Foxpro's relative Clipper 5.x. That's what the VFPx

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-29 Thread Man-wai CHANG
>> Create a Foxpro VM using python? :) > Dabo! http://dabodev.com > That would be running away from Foxpro, not defending it. :) -- .~.http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.18 /( _ )\ (Ubuntu 6.06) 21:48:01 up 9 days 13 min ^ ^0 users lo

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-29 Thread Man-wai CHANG
>> Create a Foxpro VM using python? :) > How about a Fox-like application framework using Python? See the > second link in my sig for the answer. I knew about Dabo, but it requires us to learn a new language. I meant, if Foxpro language is good itself, why not extends its life like what http:

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-28 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
On Sep 28, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Russell Campbell wrote: Well, your remark seems kind of snide You are right about that. Unusual, because __stephen is the one who most consistently pushes the boundaries of {NF} posts to include anything vaguely technical or even scientific: "Bad Steve!" I f

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-28 Thread Russell Campbell
Well, your remark seems kind of snide, but I learned some things about Python from that discussion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen the Cook Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Python

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-28 Thread Stephen the Cook
Ed Leafe <> wrote: > On Sep 28, 2006, at 4:47 AM, Allen wrote: > >> I thought there was a separate list for Python > > There is, and that's for discussing Python issues. This is not > concerned with a specific problem in Python; rather, it's a > discussion of the pros and cons of adding Pyt

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-28 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 28, 2006, at 4:47 AM, Allen wrote: I thought there was a separate list for Python There is, and that's for discussing Python issues. This is not concerned with a specific problem in Python; rather, it's a discussion of the pros and cons of adding Python to your toolbox as a devel

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-28 Thread Allen
I thought there was a separate list for Python Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: 27 September 2006 19:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-28 Thread Tristan Leask
Posted To: Profox Archive Conversation: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently Subject: Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently So post it online so we can all look at it! ;-) -- This email was

Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-27 Thread Ray Heilman
Charlie, I inititially thought you were trying to use the "S" word in an effort to kill the thread. Now that takes me back a bit. RayTheOtherRay <>< On 9/27/06, Charlie Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 12:08 PM 9/27/2006 -0400, Russell Campbell wrote: ... >standard and it's certainly

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-27 Thread Russell Campbell
D] Subject: Re: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently On 9/27/06, Russell Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, maybe we can switch to discussing Or perhaps start a new thread with a new subject? > how JavaScript and C# (I think) do > this: And PHP, too, iirc. Although I think se

RE: [NF] Python - Thinking Differently

2006-09-27 Thread Bill Arnold
> Just to throw in my own $0.02 is to state that programmers in VFP and > Python and whatever other language they like by keeping their > methods/function short and concise. > > I've worked with programmers where their functions were 100's if not > 1000's of lines long. It seems to be equally

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