> > I mean, really, who cares about Fibonacci
> > sequences?
>Havn't you read/seen The Da Vinci Code? :-) That's the first time
>I'd heard of Fibonacci since university.
I read the book. It was the first time I'd seen the inside of a church
since college.
Ken
www.stic-cil.org
I guess that makes VFP both an IDE and a framework, since VFP provide
everything dot.net and Visual Studio provide, but with better
integration. For example, VFP provides the OO classes and runtime
engine as the Framework, and VFP provides the editor, project
management, source code protection
>>> Microsoft refers to dot.net/Visual Studio as a framework<<
>>>
>
>
Yet another example of operator overloading by MS!
> You can build .NET apps without Visual Studio (using an alternative IDE),
You can build them with Notepad if you want!
_
>> Microsoft refers to dot.net/Visual Studio as a framework<<
Common misconception. .NET is the framework of classes, Visual Studio is the
IDE to develop .NET
based apps. You can build .NET apps without Visual Studio (using an alternative
IDE), but you need
the .NET framework installed to run a
> On Jul 10, 2007, at 8:46 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>
>
>> I'm not quit sure what the difference is between an IDE and a
>> Framework.
>>
A framework provides you with 'scaffolding', an empty shell of an
application. An IDE is just a bunch of helpful development tools
cent
On Jul 10, 2007, at 8:46 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> I'm not quit sure what the difference is between an IDE and a
> Framework.
VFP is actually two products. There is the engine and the IDE.
You do realize that you can create *any* VFP app without the VFP
IDE, right
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Yeah, what is the proper term to use these days for a development tool
> that provides an editor, project/file manager, compiler, a set of OO
> classes, revision control system that allow collaboration between
> members of the development team, version control, in
On 7/8/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really
> got excited about what I do. He wants to learn programming.
Rather than answer with all of our personal agendas, perhaps we should
ask questions, instead.
How o
Yeah, what is the proper term to use these days for a development tool
that provides an editor, project/file manager, compiler, a set of OO
classes, revision control system that allow collaboration between
members of the development team, version control, installer, etc.
Microsoft refers to do
On 7/10/07, Alan Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:53:41 +0100, "Peter Cushing"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Havn't you read/seen The Da Vinci Code? :-) That's the first time
> > I'd heard of Fibonacci since university.
>
> Fibonacci was also bandied around quite
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:53:41 +0100, "Peter Cushing"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Havn't you read/seen The Da Vinci Code? :-) That's the first time
> I'd heard of Fibonacci since university.
Fibonacci was also bandied around quite a lot in the whole chaos theory
/ fractals thing in the early
Ken Dibble wrote:
> I mean, really, who cares about Fibonacci
> sequences?
Havn't you read/seen The Da Vinci Code? :-) That's the first time
I'd heard of Fibonacci since university.
Peter
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Paul Newton wrote:
> Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>
>> If you have a framework, you can build small programs or test code and
>> save them in a project for easy retrieval the next day or week. Then
>> you can add functiona
Foxpro IDE???
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> If you have a framework, you can build small programs or test code and
> save them in a project for easy retrieval the next day or week. Then
> you can add functionality a little at a time. Also, the framework
> usually provide example code, templ
>If you have a framework, you can build small programs or test code and
>save them in a project for easy retrieval the next day or week. Then
>you can add functionality a little at a time. Also, the framework
>usually provide example code, templates, and help files to get someone
>going in a hur
This reminds me of a high school kid who was an MVP for Visual Basic 5 or 6.
Mondo Smart, could assimilate everything in front of his eyeballs, etc etc.
Did you make any time to study toe ACM curricula guide for the core first
two years of the computer science curricula ? If not, you should, as mo
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Within the vfp framework you can work in the command window or you can
> open a file and work with it. As a matter of fact, if you want to work
> in vfp, you have no choice but to work within the framework. I have
> seen many a newbie advised that vfp is the wa
Within the vfp framework you can work in the command window or you can
open a file and work with it. As a matter of fact, if you want to work
in vfp, you have no choice but to work within the framework. I have
seen many a newbie advised that vfp is the way to go for fast, easy
learning, so w
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> The command line provides a way to open a files, create code in the
> file, and save the file, but with a framework the name and path of the
> file is also saved for later use. Then a project can be opened within
> the framework that shows a tree view pane holdin
Paul Newton wrote:
> Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>
>> If you have a framework, you can build small programs or test code and
>> save them in a project for easy retrieval the next day or week. Then
>> you can add functionality a little at a time. Also, the framework
>> usually provide exam
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> The command line provides a way to open a files, create code in the
> file, and save the file, but with a framework the name and path of the
> file is also saved for later use.
Leland
The name and path of the file is saved for later use with the PM even
without
The command line provides a way to open a files, create code in the
file, and save the file, but with a framework the name and path of the
file is also saved for later use. Then a project can be opened within
the framework that shows a tree view pane holding folders and files that
expand a col
On Jul 9, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Paul Newton wrote:
> Thats's very true but at least in VFP, with the PM, you can do as you
> say - build small programs, test code etc - WITHOUT any framework.
And what command line doesn't have a way to edit and save files?
-- Ed Leafe
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Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> If you have a framework, you can build small programs or test code and
> save them in a project for easy retrieval the next day or week. Then
> you can add functionality a little at a time. Also, the framework
> usually provide example code, templates, and help
If you have a framework, you can build small programs or test code and
save them in a project for easy retrieval the next day or week. Then
you can add functionality a little at a time. Also, the framework
usually provide example code, templates, and help files to get someone
going in a hurry
On Jul 9, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Can't the basics to which you referred be learned within the
> framework,
> or as a subset of the languages used by the framework? For example
> perl, python, php, java, c#, or pick your own.
It is the imposition of a framewo
Can't the basics to which you referred be learned within the framework,
or as a subset of the languages used by the framework? For example
perl, python, php, java, c#, or pick your own.
Regards,
LelandJ
Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>
>
>> So
Mike yearwood wrote:
> Learning the alphabet is often considered a building block, but is not
> a fundamental block necessary for speaking. Pronounciation is also a
> fundamental building block, yet a small child is often physically
> incapable of pronouncing many sounds.
>
> My point was that a fu
Ted Roche wrote:
> You don't necessarily need or want to start someone off by loading
> them down with heavy computer science theory, or a whole bunch of
> complex and intimidating tools. It's boring.
Agree 100% - unless they're enrolled in a college course in which case
they have set their stal
On Jul 9, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Mike yearwood wrote:
> My point was that a fundamental aspect of programming - modularization
> - is lost by giving someone a "grounding" in the language. They learn
> that a program is a single monolithic procedure instead of a set of
> discrete building blocks.
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:58:08 -0400
> From: MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to getinto
>programming.
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 7/8/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really
> got excited about what I do. He wants to learn programming. I'm
> looking for recommendations on where he might go to get a good
> fundamental basis for programm
Mike yearwood wrote:
> I agree with Leland. Except for people in kindergarten, learning the
> ABCs does not make sense. It takes a few seconds to learn to do a FOR
> NEXT loop, but that is not really programming.
>
> Really modular code is not something I see on a regular basis.
>
> Mike Yearwood
>
Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>
>
>> Someone just getting started in programming today has a lot to learn,
>> and the best way I know to put someone on the right path is with a
>> structured approach that covers the basic five things I mentioned.
>>
I agree with Leland. Except for people in kindergarten, learning the
ABCs does not make sense. It takes a few seconds to learn to do a FOR
NEXT loop, but that is not really programming.
Really modular code is not something I see on a regular basis.
Mike Yearwood
On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Someone just getting started in programming today has a lot to learn,
> and the best way I know to put someone on the right path is with a
> structured approach that covers the basic five things I mentioned.
Not necessarily. It
Someone just getting started in programming today has a lot to learn,
and the best way I know to put someone on the right path is with a
structured approach that covers the basic five things I mentioned. If
someone new got started with VFP, for example, they would have Project
Management, Vers
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Cross platform.
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CULLY Technologies, LLC
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foxforward.net
MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Heck, we were taught using Pascal years ago. And I think that was a great
> learning language.
>
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> I've heard good things about the Zend Studio Framework, and php seem to
> be a hot language right now.
>
> http://www.zend.com/products/zend_studio
>
> Also, Activestate's Komodo editor and perl seem popular.
>
> http://www.activestate.com/Products/komodo_ide/
>
> B
I've heard good things about the Zend Studio Framework, and php seem to
be a hot language right now.
http://www.zend.com/products/zend_studio
Also, Activestate's Komodo editor and perl seem popular.
http://www.activestate.com/Products/komodo_ide/
Both of these choices provide the basics such a
Mike Wohlrab wrote:
> If he has Visual Studio, then he can work in that for a place to program in. I
> would suggest that he could start programming in HTML
>
HTML is a markup language for describing layout surely, as opposed to
being a programming language?
I think starting out in developme
ggestions for high school kid wanting to get into
> programming
>
> My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really
> got excited about what I do. He wants to learn programming. I'm
> looking for recommendations on where he might go to get a go
On Jul 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
> My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really
> got excited about what I do. He wants to learn programming. I'm
> looking for recommendations on where he might go to get a good
> fundamental basis for programming
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into
> programming
>
>
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Tell him to get into sales instead. That's where the
real money is. LOL
Do you really want to give
Mike Wohlrab wrote:
> If he has Visual Studio, then he can work in that for a place to program in. I
> would suggest that he could start programming in HTML and make a website to
> get
> a basic start of it, and then work upwards from there. Here is a good site for
> him to look at for HTML: http:
Michael Madigan wrote:
> Tell him to get into sales instead. That's where the
> real money is. LOL
>
Yeah, I did want to point out the outsourcing to him.
> Do you really want to give your nephew 30 years of.
> "why does it cost so much?" "I can buy Quickbooks for
> under $300, why are you
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Subject: [NF] Suggestions for high school kid wanting to get into programming
My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really
got excited about what I do. He wants to learn programming. I'm
looking for recommendations on where he might go to
Tell him to get into sales instead. That's where the
real money is. LOL
Do you really want to give your nephew 30 years of.
"why does it cost so much?" "I can buy Quickbooks for
under $300, why are you charging me $2000?" "I've
never heard of Foxpro, can't you use a Microsoft
product?"
--- MB
My nephew saw a project I'm working on (in VFP9 of course!) and really
got excited about what I do. He wants to learn programming. I'm
looking for recommendations on where he might go to get a good
fundamental basis for programming (via websites or books).
tia!
--
Michael J. Babcock, MCP
MB
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