At 08:00 AM 9/18/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know about you guys, but my company just dropped 16 Grand on 99
SE. We can't possibly afford to upgrade to DXP. If Protel decides not to
support SE, we're really hosed. Guess it's a good thing I found this user
group (or is it more like
At 08:40 PM 9/18/2003, Ian Wilson wrote:
I would love to get together, face to face, computer to computer with a
very experienced OrCad, and PADs user, both of whom are non-religious in
their approach to computer software, and go through a detailed end-to-end
design flow. Then we would all writ
how true how true!
it's sort of a corollary of the old carpenter's saying
measure twice, cut once
you can really make a lot of make work, BTDT
ds
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
>
> One piece of advice from the school of hard knocks and soft skulls
>
> When you are going to multiply up sections
On 09:32 AM 19/09/2003, John A. Ross said:
Ian
On most of your comparison between DXP and 99SE you have fair points.
http://www.considered.com.au/DXP_vs_P99SE.htm for those who missed the
link in Ians post before.
Here is something that that others could do. Take my points as a starter,
and eve
At 12:40 PM 9/18/2003, Richard Sumner wrote:
Does anyone know an easy way to deselect ALL? x-a on each sheet in turn
will do it, but this is really not very satisfactory. I've been caught
more than once!
The Protel shortcut is deliberately designed, I think, to work only on the
current schematic
One piece of advice from the school of hard knocks and soft skulls
When you are going to multiply up sections in schematic or PCB, make *very*
sure that the section is what you want. Or else you have N x as many
changes to make when you find an error
There are many ways to multiply sect
At 11:47 AM 9/18/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, you're right. I have been trying to move them by selecting the
part and then trying to move the desginator when it appears. When I
selected the appropriate silkscreen layer, they moved fine.
Normally, moving designators is simply a matter o
At 02:53 PM 9/18/2003, Richard Sumner wrote:
It's not exactly intuitive, you have to clear the part selection box, and
select same in the selection box in the to match by column. Then the
selection box in the copy column becomes checked. Now you have to expect
that everything that is currently s
At 04:16 PM 9/18/2003, Back, Norb wrote:
Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7
Service Pack 7
I don't think it's going to happen, and here is why:
Altium tried to go to ATS, which was, quite simply, a maintenance fee to be
paid yearly. We didn't like it. But we still ha
On 09:32 AM 19/09/2003, John A. Ross said:
Ian
On most of your comparison between DXP and 99SE you have fair points.
http://www.considered.com.au/DXP_vs_P99SE.htm for those who missed the
link in Ians post before.
But I would need to disagree on the heavy use of queries being
productive. My main
On 09:43 AM 19/09/2003, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
I presume you have someone paying for your "seat time", i.e. you have
an employer that's issuing a paycheck whether your jobs are completed
or not and also continues to pay you while you are "going up the
learning curve" with new software.
That's a
At 12:18 PM 9/18/2003, Matt Pobursky wrote:
I'm a reasonably smart guy having many years (20+) of experience with
engineering software in general.
With similar experience or more, I find that I don't learn nearly as
quickly as I did when I was younger.
I figured more like 1-2 months to come
up t
Ian
On most of your comparison between DXP and 99SE you have fair points.
http://www.considered.com.au/DXP_vs_P99SE.htm for those who missed the
link in Ians post before.
But I would need to disagree on the heavy use of queries being
productive. My main frustration is the perception that I spen
On 02:18 AM 19/09/2003, Matt Pobursky said:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
> Otherwise the quote upgrade price is about $2500. Lets assume a
> designers on-cost is between 25 and 50 dollars per hour - 25 to 50
> hours of improved productivity will pay for it, one week. So,
someone :)
should forward some of these to the DXP list
ds
"Back, Norb" wrote:
>
> Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7
> Service Pack 7
>
> I think Altium should do a SP7, that way I would at lease be getting
> something for the money I spent on DXP
>
> Norbert
>
Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7
Service Pack 7
I think Altium should do a SP7, that way I would at lease be getting
something for the money I spent on DXP
Norbert
-Original Message-Service Pack 7
From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday,
KLUNK ! ! !
I thought at one time that we could possibly embarrass Altium into some
kind of action on Service Pack 7, and I think that since it appears that
all else has failed, that maybe its time we should start making a some
more "noise" again.
It worked for ATS (at least superficially) . . .
Thanks, that does work. I had thought about that, but hadn't actually tried
it.
It's not exactly intuitive, you have to clear the part selection box, and
select same in the selection box in the to match by column. Then the
selection box in the copy column becomes checked. Now you have to expect
I am very fortunate. I was a technician until one of the engineers noticed that I
learned very quickly. He brought me into the engineering department and I've been
paid while I've learned all of it: circuit design, PCB layout, machine code, C, the
old design software (an old program called DC
Cadsoft's Eagle PCB design software runs on Linux.
duane
> -Original Message-
> From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:16 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
>
> > Our interns love Linux, but
Matt,
your comments reflect my thoughts, feelings and experience about
this exactly
and i paid for the DXP upgrade
so far i have found it cheaper to let it collect electronic dust
Dennis Saputelli
Matt Pobursky wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
> > Otherwise the
just do the same thing that you did to select them in reverse
i just tried it
not as easy as a global deselect but not too bad
Dennis Saputelli
Richard Sumner wrote:
>
> a comment on x-a command:
>
> x-a seems to be incomplete. If I uses a global operation to select
> something (for example all
> Our interns love Linux, but the PHB (pointy-haired boss) won't let them
install it--even if it is their own copy.
They might want to try Knoppix. It's a Linux distro that does not require
installation - it boots from the CD and doesn't have to write anything to
the hard drive. Any persistent d
a comment on x-a command:
x-a seems to be incomplete. If I uses a global operation to select
something (for example all components with 805 footprints), I can make it
select parts on all other schematic sheets by selecting the scope as change
matching items in all documents. These will happily
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
> Otherwise the quote upgrade price is about $2500. Lets assume a
> designers on-cost is between 25 and 50 dollars per hour - 25 to 50
> hours of improved productivity will pay for it, one week. So, the
> question then is how long will I have
Unfortunately my CEO has nowhere to go up to. My department head is an engineer and a
good guy. We'd have new stuff if it were up to him.
Our interns love Linux, but the PHB (pointy-haired boss) won't let them install
it--even if it is their own copy.
We are all pretty creative around her
Sorry, you're right. I have been trying to move them by selecting the part and then
trying to move the desginator when it appears. When I selected the appropriate
silkscreen layer, they moved fine.
Thanx,
Michael Badillo
From: "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2003/09/18 Thu AM 08:4
> My company won't upgrade computers, much less software. Getting a new
copy of Windows even is like pulling teeth. Our interns work on one P266
(two people). I wish there was an upgrade for CEOs.
Maybe it's because Windows' purchase price and licensing terms are so much
less tolerable than the
Michael,
in answer to your first query I believe that you may be having difficulties
with your click speed. P99SE has some nuances to click speed on certain operations.
When you click on your room, you may be holding the click down too long. When this
occurs the cursor jumps to a corner
Michael,
from the details that you are supplying, your company must have bought the DXP
Migration packages (includes P99SE and DXP versions to allow you a migration path to
DXP at a time of your choice). The price would be right for 2 systems. If this is the
case you must also have valid
re
the hang on close
having gone thru almost a dozen machines over the years
w/ 2 SE licenses i can say for sure the following:
1] the problem you describe here is for real
2] it is entirely dependent on the machine or some OS
tweak or something i could never track down
i replaced the whole bo
i just did a step and repeat multi chan in SE a little differently
build up one cell, fully routed
copy & paste whole section, tracks, parts, warts and all
and accept the R41_1 designator junk
edit the R41_1, etc. to their real names
re-load the netlist
this has the advantage over what you descr
18/09/2003 15:53:42, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Okay, Thanx.
Oh, and, seeing as you seem to be new to all this, get used to
hitting x-a between most operations, to clear all selections you've
made... selections often last longer than my attention span,
especially when I'm hopping between page
Okay, Thanx.
Michael Badillo
From: Steve Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2003/09/18 Thu AM 10:45:43 EDT
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Quirks and Errata and Bugs, Oh my!
18/09/2003 09:01:00, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>3) On page 87 of the user's manual, there
18/09/2003 09:01:00, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>3) On page 87 of the user's manual, there is a note that if you
want to see which objects a global change will make without
making that change, then enable the selection option in the copy
attributes column. This is supposed to highlight the ob
My company won't upgrade computers, much less software. Getting a new copy of Windows
even is like pulling teeth. Our interns work on one P266 (two people). I wish there
was an upgrade for CEOs.
We've had 99 SE for maybe four months, but we bought it new--two copies in fact. So I
guess that
Hi,
Try this add-on I wrote for P99SE:
http://www.proteluser.com/download/Pcb_99SE_add-on/
It will do what you need. Read the readme.txt before using it. There is no
undo so make a copy of your pcb before you start.
Best regards
Mattias
What I have discovered: Make your first cell using designators like C~01, C~02, R~01,
etc. in the schematic editor. Copy the cell and replace the {~=n} where 'n' is the
cell number.
Route the first cell in the PCB editor and copy it. This copies the deginators but
not the net names. Then
On 10:00 PM 18/09/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Yeah!
I don't know about you guys, but my company just dropped 16 Grand on 99
SE. We can't possibly afford to upgrade to DXP. If Protel decides not to
support SE, we're really hosed. Guess it's a good thing I found this user
group (or is it mor
Michael,
Well not sure about 2&3, but on #1 I think I remember that
you really need to go to Rules and first turn off any room rules
then move or resize your room then turn those rules back on.
Whether or not it works right by turning off the rule at least
it won't slow way down by doing a drc ever
Hello the List,
This group has been most wonderfully helpful. Responses have been both more timely
and more useful than responses from Protel tech support (Not that I am running them
down). I have a few questions concerning some quirks or erroneus documentation (I'm
not sure which). I would
At 18/09/2003 13:44, Peder K. Hellegaard wrote:
Hi.
I am going to route a design consisting of 7 identical circuits. They are
subcircuits of the main SCH sheet. The components are designated in
accordance with the convention
Circuit1:
R100, R101...C100, C101 etc.
Circuit2:
R200, R201...C20
As far as I know it was never fixed and it still hangs
many many times on close so end process
needs to be done to shut down a machine.
Bob Wolfe
- Original Message -
From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2
On 09:44 PM 18/09/2003, Peder K. Hellegaard said:
Hi.
I am going to route a design consisting of 7 identical circuits. They are
subcircuits of the main SCH sheet. The components are designated in
accordance with the convention
Circuit1:
R100, R101...C100, C101 etc.
Circuit2:
R200, R201...C
Yeah!
I don't know about you guys, but my company just dropped 16 Grand on 99 SE. We can't
possibly afford to upgrade to DXP. If Protel decides not to support SE, we're really
hosed. Guess it's a good thing I found this user group (or is it more like a support
group?).
Michael Badillo
From
Hi.
I am going to route a design consisting of 7 identical circuits. They are
subcircuits of the main SCH sheet. The components are designated in
accordance with the convention
Circuit1:
R100, R101...C100, C101 etc.
Circuit2:
R200, R201...C200, C201 etc.
Circuit3:
R300, R301...C300,
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