Re: Euro/London Presence (was: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs])

2016-04-13 Thread Trevor Vaughan
Heh, I will admit that I submitted an advanced topic at my first PuppetCamp and the result was that I lost 95% of the audience, 2 people actively went to sleep, and 6 folks in the back were absolutely thrilled that I had presented the content. So...yeah, I'm not sure what the right answer is. 1)

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-13 Thread Luke Kanies
; From: "Thomas Gelf" < <mailto:tho...@gelf.net>tho...@gelf.net >>>> > <mailto:tho...@gelf.net>> >>>> > To: "puppet-dev" >>> > <mailto:puppet-dev@googlegroups.com>> >>>> > Sent: Monday, 11 April, 201

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-13 Thread Luke Kanies
On Apr 12, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Dean Wilson wrote: > > On 11 April 2016 at 12:08, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > >> Eric asked so here it is, this is my feedback with a open source user hat >> on. Echoing much what was said. I hope others send in their story. > > Since you asked so politely. > > I have

Re: Euro/London Presence (was: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs])

2016-04-13 Thread Gareth Rushgrove
On 13 April 2016 at 14:49, 'Tim Meusel' via Puppet Developers wrote: > > > Am Mittwoch, 13. April 2016 02:15:57 UTC+2 schrieb Rob Nelson: >> >> >>> I'd also be remiss not to point out we've got way more scope to have >>> advanced talks at PuppetConf in the US and the CFP is open. >>> http://20

Re: Euro/London Presence (was: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs])

2016-04-13 Thread Nigel Kersten
On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 6:49 AM, 'Tim Meusel' via Puppet Developers < puppet-dev@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > That would be really cool. Most other conferences here handle it like > this: 45 or 60min talk -> 15min Q&A -> 15min break to change room (if there > are several parallel tracks). The spea

Re: Euro/London Presence (was: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs])

2016-04-13 Thread 'Tim Meusel' via Puppet Developers
Am Mittwoch, 13. April 2016 02:15:57 UTC+2 schrieb Rob Nelson: > > > I'd also be remiss not to point out we've got way more scope to have >> advanced talks at PuppetConf in the US and the CFP is open. >> http://2016.puppetconf.com/cfp-registration/ >> > > Speaking to the advanced realm, is

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-13 Thread James Turnbull
> There was one comment in this thread from puppet(labs) which hinted at > that there isn't a lot of contribution to the open source puppet from > the community and that puppet(labs) has to do all the work. Well maybe, Actually I said that and I don't work at Puppet (Labs). It's also still true.

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-13 Thread Trevor Vaughan
I've been staying out of this thread for various reasons, but Rob's statement on "Puppet for CM and Ansible to Orchestrate it" resonates well with me. One of the big benefits that I see with the Puppet DSL is the understandability of the language. I can show the DSL statements to most people and,

Re: Euro/London Presence (was: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs])

2016-04-13 Thread Trevor Vaughan
Hmm, fair enough. I think for the Advanced materials, you would want to have an up-front review and possibly have it run by a local representative (PUG owners?). That way, you can focus on the usual event and let the splinter run semi-independently. I've just been looking at some of the recent th

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-13 Thread Gareth Rushgrove
On 12 April 2016 at 20:04, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> From: "dean" >> To: "puppet-dev" >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 April, 2016 20:56:09 >> Subject: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs] &

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-13 Thread Andreas Zuber
quot; mailto:tho...@gelf.net>> > To: "puppet-dev" <mailto:puppet-dev@googlegroups.com>> > Sent: Monday, 11 April, 2016 03:30:58 > Subject: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs] > Am 11.04.2016 um 03:01 schrieb Rob Nelson: >>

Re: Euro/London Presence (was: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs])

2016-04-12 Thread Rob Nelson
> I'd also be remiss not to point out we've got way more scope to have > advanced talks at PuppetConf in the US and the CFP is open. > http://2016.puppetconf.com/cfp-registration/ > Speaking to the advanced realm, is there any possibility of slots longer than 45 minutes? Even an extra 10 minut

Re: Euro/London Presence (was: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs])

2016-04-12 Thread Nigel Kersten
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Trevor Vaughan wrote: > Hi Nigel, > > This is a tangent, but I would also like to see more advanced content at > the Puppet Camps. > > Would anyone be open to a dual tracked Puppet Camp? > > Beginner/Intermediate + Business and Advanced + Hackathon? > > Trevor >

Re: Euro/London Presence (was: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs])

2016-04-12 Thread Trevor Vaughan
Hi Nigel, This is a tangent, but I would also like to see more advanced content at the Puppet Camps. Would anyone be open to a dual tracked Puppet Camp? Beginner/Intermediate + Business and Advanced + Hackathon? Trevor On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Nigel Kersten wrote: > For those who don

Euro/London Presence (was: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs])

2016-04-12 Thread Nigel Kersten
For those who don't know, I'm responsible for the Community team now at Puppet, and can answer some of this. On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Dean Wilson wrote: > > Next up European/London presence: Where is PuppetConf Europe? This is absolutely something we've talked about and would love to

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-12 Thread R.I.Pienaar
- Original Message - > From: "dean" > To: "puppet-dev" > Sent: Tuesday, 12 April, 2016 20:56:09 > Subject: Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs] > On 12 April 2016 at 19:16, Ryan Whitehurst wrote: > >> The

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-12 Thread Dean Wilson
On 12 April 2016 at 19:16, Ryan Whitehurst wrote: > The puppetlabs-aws module [1] is pretty powerful these days -- we on > the operations team here at Puppet use it for managing a large portion > of our AWS infrastructure. If you remove the Route53 DNS record resource types then that module clai

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-12 Thread Ryan Whitehurst
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Dean Wilson wrote: > AWS: Over the last 5 years I've deployed a -lot- of AWS and spoke to a > lot of people about it and unless they are a large enterprise > forklifting their current environment over or looking to run a few > bits of code at instance time, and ju

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-12 Thread Dean Wilson
On 11 April 2016 at 12:08, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > Eric asked so here it is, this is my feedback with a open source user hat > on. Echoing much what was said. I hope others send in their story. Since you asked so politely. I have a few main areas of concern, and oddly they are not so much with th

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-11 Thread R.I.Pienaar
gt; Sent: Monday, 11 April, 2016 03:30:58 >> > Subject: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs] >> >> > Am 11.04.2016 um 03:01 schrieb Rob Nelson: >> >> Of course there's lock in. You can't click a button and go from Puppet >

[Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-11 Thread Rob Nelson
> > I think it's a great big programming anti-pattern, it's ugly as all hell, > certainly nothing Apple would be seen dead near, and yet it's taking over. > How? > Everyone wants one tool to do everything. If you need Ansible because your non-Nexus Cisco gear has no chef/puppet agent, why not just

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-11 Thread Eric Shamow
On April 11, 2016 at 4:08:51 AM, R.I.Pienaar (r...@devco.net) wrote: - Original Message -  > From: "Thomas Gelf"   > To: "puppet-dev"   > Sent: Monday, 11 April, 2016 03:30:58  > Subject: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]  >

Re: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-11 Thread R.I.Pienaar
- Original Message - > From: "Thomas Gelf" > To: "puppet-dev" > Sent: Monday, 11 April, 2016 03:30:58 > Subject: [Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs] > Am 11.04.2016 um 03:01 schrieb Rob Nelson: >> Of course there&#

[Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-10 Thread Thomas Gelf
Am 11.04.2016 um 03:01 schrieb Rob Nelson: > Of course there's lock in. You can't click a button and go from Puppet > OSS to Chef OSS; [...] > Is their concern about being able to contribute to it or even fork? I > suspect that's what most lock in concerns are really based on. It's about going f

[Puppet-dev] Re: The Future of Puppet [Was: Deprecation logs]

2016-04-10 Thread Rob Nelson
Lots of great discussion this weekend! I've changed the subject, since we've changed our subject and this may help with future searches on the ML archives. No doubt. I had above conversation with a customer who I convinced to by > PE the very same day. I explained it's advantages, they decided to