This is a common scenario on python-list or python-ideas:
Someone has an idea that they think is the greatest thing since sliced
bread. They propose it, and feel hurt / rejected when they get pushback
instead of everyone jumping up and down and saying how brilliant it is.
Sometimes they are
iner, but not "index". I suggest it's harder than
you think. (Try it!)
How much harder? Can you post your candidate?
It was you that said it could be a 1-liner. The burden of proof is on
you, if you still want to argue the point.
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h a function should be part of the standard library.
Well, you are 1 user. Have you evidence that there are (many) others?
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This could cause confusion because st
would
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ace, I don’t have
a strong opinion about that because I don’t have a use case for this feature
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>>
>>
>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 16:33, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
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his at runtime, or
as a lint tool.
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itor service health
while Response(status=200, json={"stats": stats}) := health_check():
print(stats)
time.sleep(5)
See above - shouldn't try to assign to a literal.
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a sub-expression, and it Just Works if you use the assignment statement
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regime, I thought it might be worth discussing. Apologies if I missed any more
recent discussions.)
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tax proposed
> in the PEP is exactly right - not too hot, not too cold. But, like the Oracle
> at Delphi in Greek mythology, it doesn’t tell me why, so I don’t have a
> rebuttal for the arguments against the PEP syntax.
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quot; anyway. I do
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On 07/06/2022 15:28, [email protected] wrote:
I think
```
d.get(key, default=3)
```
way more readable than
```
d.get(key, 3)
I completely agree.
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On 08/06/2022 15:40, Eric V. Smith via Python-ideas wrote:
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Hello!
Do you know if there has been discussions around why is the default
argument is positional only in the dict methods get and pop?
I think
; type(mygen())
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ng could be added piecemeal to iterators such as open() according
to demand.
Of course, for non-reusable iterators it would be forbidden to go
backwards (or even remain in the same place):
agen[42]
agen[41]
ValueError: Generator has been used up past the slice point. (Better
wordi
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d version might bridge
that gap by introducing "later" or "defer" or "delay" in a narrow
context, but not foreclosing its later use more broadly.
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reponderance of responses here seem to think in terms of
which syntax choice is best. Although I have a slight preference,
all of the options seem decent to me.
I am definitely in favor of having the PEP accepted and implemented.
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Please. This has been many times by several people already. No-one is
going to change their mind on this by now. There's no point in
rehashing it and adding no
sed for
automatically creating complex parsers based on signatures
(https://jsonargparse.readthedocs.io/en/stable/#classes-methods-and-functions).
I do plan to support identifying what **kwargs accepts based on its use. See
all the cases currently supported
https://jsonargparse.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
tartTime) # Help, why is this
printing "Elapsed time: -0.001"?
Example 2:
def g(x, y=>x**2):
x = x+1
print(y)
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tter than implicit in this case.
You could argue that islice should be made a builtin, but I don't know
that it's used enough to justify that.
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# do stuff
I can't really guess how useful the "use point" version would be.
It's not a pattern I've used, I use a zero-argument function very
occasionally but I can't recall a case where I used a lambda
ot; simply isn't
*orthogonal* to "late binding in the general sense." Yes, they are
distinct, but very closely adjacent.
We disagree about that. *Please consider the */_**IMPLEMENTATIONS**_/*of
each. I respectfully suggest that you may conclude that they are not so
close after al
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To me, the natural implementation of slicing on a non-reusable
iterator
(such as a generator) would be that you are not allowed to go
backwards
or even stand
frustrated when people are invited to comment on PEP 671, and they don't
comment on PEP 671, but on something else.
BTW Thank you Stephen Turnbull, for your measured comments to this thread.
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would have to be generalized to hold any expression, not only an import.
The updated and more detailed draft of PEP 690 might be interesting reading
here:
https://github.com/python/peps/pull/2613
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 4:10 PM David Mertz, Ph.D. <
> [email protected]> wrote:
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> >>
e same thing. :-)
>
I’m not sure what you mean. I don’t think there’s any way PEP 690 can
introduce dynamic scoping like this. Can you give an example?
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s from me. PRs, or issues, or whatever, can go to
https://github.com/DavidMertz/peps/blob/master/pep-.rst as well as
mentioning them in this thread.
PEP:
Title: Generalized deferred computation
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n a function parameter it is not
> processed:
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> func(Void) == func() == "default"
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just gives the programmer more freedom to specify literal bytes objects in the
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Danceswithmice wrote:
The idea is that YOU write "local:", and the interpreter, without you
ever seeing it, promotes that int
mentation.
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)] on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> rf'{2+2}'
'4'
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rn mystr(str(self).upper())
s = mystr("hello")
print(s.method()) # prints 1234
print(s.upper()) # prints HELLO
print(s.upper().method()) # prints 1234
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at: If you were subclassing str, you would probably want __str__ and
__repr__ (if you were not overriding them) to return plain strings.
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.partition('@', ':')
Beneficially for the caller, the number of tuple elements can be determined
based on the number of positional arguments. For n arguments, a tuple of length
2n + 1 will be returned.
Thank you for any and all feedback.
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("?", "#")'? would it return a tuple of length five?)
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(rationale: that would allow
either proposal to advance without delaying the other -- bearing in
mind a hopefully-unlikely chance of merge conflicts if they reach
release-readiness implementation status in parallel)
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tand
it, limited to at-most-one wildcard pattern per match (by sensible
design).
> I would prefer "one bite per call" partition
> to a partition at multiple points.
That does seem clearer - and clearer is, generally, probably better.
I suppose an analysis (that I don'
exactly-once while
the input is scanned (also iterated) exactly-once
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>>> try value = int(x[2]) but value = 0 on IndexError, ValueError
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nk it is better if it strips off all whitespace,
so that it can be understood as working similarly to strip().
(2) The definition could be simplified to
s1.rstrip() + ' ' + s2.lstrip()
(leave an initial/final space when one string is whitespace only).
typing. Just sayin'.
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I admit that I use M-SPC (aka just-one-space) lot in Emacsen, but I
can't recall wanting it in a program in any language.
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by (at
least) one space. Bear with me while I repeat it:
Lib\site-packages\numpy\distutils\system_info.py:2677:
cmd = config_exe + ' ' + self.append_config_exe + ' ' + option
cmd = config_exe & self.append_config_exe & option
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You make a very powerful point, Bruce. Much more so IMO than anyone
else has so far.
Unless anyone else can find a convincing rebuttal, I withdraw my proposal.
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site-packages\twisted\mail\test\test_pop3.py:376: output =
b'\r\n'.join(client.response) + b'\r\n'
Lib\site-packages\twisted\mail\test\test_smtp.py:100: message =
b'\n'.join(self.buffer) + b'\n'
Lib\site-packages\twisted\mail\test\test_smtp.py:344: m
,
Rob! 😬)
A few reasonably representative examples:
Lib\cgitb.py:106:
pyver = 'Python ' + sys.version.split()[0] + ': ' + sys.executable
pyver = 'Python' & sys.version.split()[0] + ':' & sys.executable
Lib\ftplib.py:289:
cmd =
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It seems to me that it would be useful to be able to make the
str.join()
function put separators, not only between the items of its
operand, but
also optionally at
it is trickier still.
As it is so easy to get these things wrong, perhaps having it built in
is not such a terrible idea?😁
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In any case I recommend reaching out for a library like Rich
(https://github.com/Textualize/rich) if you care about formatting the output
or s in middle),
last.lstrip()))
What is harder is to be sure that this would be the expected behaviour
when using a `&` operator on strings.
Why `' a' & 'b'` would produce `'a b'` and `' ' & 'b'` produce `'
b'` for exam
uivalent solution is easier to understand and
to write, and will lead to way less confusion about what join()
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problem with the code?
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make it much easier to use "partial" in the future.
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nor I/O operations is involved. It just make some basic data
representation conversion and invoke the method in dynamic library.
This is just a raw idea. If it is valuable, it can take a discussion and make
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parameter `color`
Is there any reason you can't write
pfr =r"\mathjax{{color}}{{text}}".replace("{color}", "blue")
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sError: Implementation of `my_fun` is not finished.
```
This change could break some code, as for now ellipsis in the middle
of code is silently ignored, but I don't think anybody seriously
relies on that behavior.
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Then the empty list creates hard-to-track bugs. I'm familiar with the iterator
protocol and why the behavior above happens, but couldn't it be prevented?
I don’t think so. It is not al
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>
> [*] maybe not, actually -- once the infrastructure was in place, adding a
> package would require someone requesting that it be added, and someone on a
> "core team" approving it. That could be a pretty low level of effort,
> actually. The actual mechanism would be to
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> > I also agree with a later reply about avoiding the murkier side of
> blockchains / etc. That said, it seems to me (again, sample size one
> anecdata) th
ty use cases.
>
> I don’t want to load a hash table to load a third party module on a UEFI
> interface.
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>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, 19:06 Chris Angelico wrote:
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hird party module on a UEFI
>> interface.
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>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, 19:06 Chris Angelico wrote:
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>>>> On Thu, 6 Jul 2023
That would not be mutually-exclusive with the presence of reviews --
verbal, written, or otherwise -- elsewhere.
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> > On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 at 02:11, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > > I have always thought that any community scoring system should allow
> > &g
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> James Addison via Python-ideas writes:
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> > The implementation of such a system could either be centralized or
> > distributed; the trust signals that human users infer from
packaging infrastructure.
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>> James Addison via Python-ideas writes:
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>> > The implementation of such a system co
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>> James Addison via Python-ideas writes:
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>> > The implementation of such a system could either be c
does exactly the same as the C version and is more readable. Or am I
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> On 15/07/2023 21:08, Dom Grigonis wrote:
>
> Just to add. I haven’t thought about evaluation. Thus, to prevent
> evaluation of unnecessary code, introduction of C-style expres
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>> ISTM the primary use cases advanced here have been for "naive" users.
>>>> Likely they won'
how a new feature would improve realistic code patterns helps to defend
to proposal.
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something like this:
tt = 5
while (tt--):
# do something
It is exists in C++. And in my opinion it is very Pythonic
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3-question poll.
https://q5yitzu62.supersurvey.com
Would be interesting to see if my preference is an outlier or not really.
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Hi Daniil.
Yes, you can do almost same:
tt = 5
while tt := tt - 1:
print(tt)
"almost" is right. The OP's version, as far as I can tell, wants to do
post-decrement (test tt, then decrement it)
; '__repr__': lambda self: f"<{self.__class__.__name__}>",
> '__copy__': lambda self: self,
> '__deepcopy__': lambda self, memo: self,
> })
>
> Likely, the implementation should be refined a bit more.
>
not rocket science, getting sentinels correct is cumbersome for end
users. Providing such a function in the standard library is only a minor
maintainance burden, but a significant help for users working with sentinels.
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ch in the right
direction.
Will continue discussing in this context.
> Matthias Görgens hat am 31.08.2023 11:29 CEST
> geschrieben:
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>
> Seems nice. Just write a library and upload it to one of the usual places?
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large memory footprint that is only
needed temporarily.
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PS Ooh, not quite true. I have used it to delete a variable that should
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though I would be surprised if that happened in practice. The behaviour
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it does "work", but it doesn't make much sense with Python's semantics.
You could have two identifiers bound to the same object; which one you
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> > This might all be too much thought about edge cases that don't
> > matter, but given the *_ns() functions in the time module (PEP
> > 564), I'm curious why datetime doesn't have a constructor
(self.mode := self.mode_valid(mode))
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On 12/23/23 02:09, Eric V. Smith via Python-ideas wrote:
On 12/21/2023 4:38 PM, Steve Jorgensen wrote:
I am finding that it would be useful to be able to define a dataclass that is
an abstract base class and define some of its field as abstract.
As I am typing this, I realize that I could
taclasses-and-properties-in-python
Let's also state, and discard, the idea that there is no need (from
Python's perspective) for an ABC at all, creating a super-(data)class,
and inheriting from there 'works' - but doesn't help comprehension.
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I am finding that it would be useful to be able to define a dataclass that is
an
seems a bit OTT in this case.
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rong. os.path.commonprefix uses min and max, not
sort. I withdraw it:
I also suspect that this function could be made more efficient. It
sorts the sequence. While sorting is very fast (thanks, Uncle Tim!) it
seems a bit OTT in this case.
Thoughts?
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call of async_iter.__anext__() instead of only at the end? As I
understand the finalizer is set when the generator is started.
- Is loop.run_until_complete(gen.aclose()) a sensible finalizer? If so, is there
even any other finalizer that would make sense? Maybe creating a task for
gen.aclose()
place.
Thanks,
Nick
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