[issue38863] Improve is_cgi() in http.server

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[issue24764] cgi.FieldStorage can't parse multipart part headers with Content-Length and no filename in Content-Disposition

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[issue21705] cgi.py: Multipart with more than one file is misparsed

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[issue1047397] cgitb failures

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[issue39727] cgi.parse() fatally attempts str.decode when handling multipart/form-data

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[issue10879] cgi memory usage

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[issue9968] Let cgi.FieldStorage have named uploaded file

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[issue41140] cgitb uses the locale encoding for log files

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[issue41139] cgi uses the locale encoding for log files

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[issue27777] cgi.FieldStorage can't parse simple body with Content-Length and no Content-Disposition

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Re: An I connected here?

On 17/07/2020 20:12, J. Pic wrote: And Hollidays ;) Nah, that's next week ;-) Le ven. 17 juil. 2020 à 21:03, Rhodri James a écrit : On 17/07/2020 19:33, Steve wrote: Sorry folks, I really messed that one up. I tried to doctor up a reply to get the address correct but failed to delete

Re: An I connected here?

out about. I think there are fewer experts with time lurking around here (and I don't count myself as one of those, TBH). Recent controversies and the attempts to moderate them have probably upset quite a lot of people one way or another. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.o

Re: Formal Question to Steering Council (re recent PEP8 changes)

On 04/07/2020 16:38, Random832 wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, at 08:48, Rhodri James wrote: As I said in my preamble, it doesn't matter whether you believe that is true or think it's utter bollocks. I asked the question to get the Steering Council's opinion, not anyone else's. If you

Re: New to python - Just a question

u can read a file one line at a time, so how to count the number of lines in a file should be pretty obvious. Figuring out how to do that for every *.cpp file in a directory will involve looking through the standard library, or getting a bash script to do it for you :-) -- Rhodri James *-* K

Re: Formal Question to Steering Council (re recent PEP8 changes)

On 03/07/2020 15:28, Jon Ribbens via Python-list wrote: On 2020-07-03, Rhodri James wrote: On 02/07/2020 23:46, Random832 wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, at 18:29, Michael Torrie wrote: Come again? I can see no other link in the verbage with the "relics of white supremacy" that sh

Re: Formal Question to Steering Council (re recent PEP8 changes)

it's utter bollocks. I asked the question to get the Steering Council's opinion, not anyone else's. If you collectively really must rehash the arguments again, please have the decency to do so in a different thread. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Formal Question to Steering Council (re recent PEP8 changes)

ould _any_ political opinion be in the repo? -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Formal Question to Steering Council (re recent PEP8 changes)

this merely to reinforce the idea that these things are still answers as well as hostages to fortune. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Code of Conduct address "hold message"

On 30/06/2020 15:25, Rhodri James wrote: Having just had occasion to use the code of conduct link (conduct...@python.org), I got back the message:   Your mail to 'conduct...@python.org' with the subject       Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. Ah

Code of Conduct address "hold message"

you for your email about "". We will deal with it as soon as we can." Plus the usual platitudes about valuing my input and appreciating my custom which don't necessarily apply here ;-/ Any chance of getting the message altered to something a bit more friendly? -- Rhodri James

Re: Pycharm offers only implementation of an abstract getter but not an abstract setter

On 24/06/2020 22:46, zljubi...@gmail.com wrote: Why Pycharm didn't offer a setter as well as getter? This is a general Python mailing list. If you have specific questions/complaints about PyCharm, they are probably better addressed directly to the makers of PyCharm. -- Rhodri James

Re: Python-list Digest, Vol 201, Issue 9

en insert it into the __dict__ as 'from', although a custom serializer would probably be preferable from a design standpoint. Might it be simpler to use a dict from the start? You could have a dictionary key of "from" without any problems. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Can't download Pygame and Pgzero

h version of Windows are you using? What exactly did you do to install Pygame and Pgzero, in order, and what exactly went wrong. Please copy and paste any error messages, don't send screenshots because the mailing list will strip them off and we won't see them. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Lt

Re: Friday Finking: Imports, Namespaces, Poisoning, Readability

L's importlib over Python's native import-s, for one of these (or any other) reason? Um, why would I? -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Binary Sort on Python List __xor__

like ["The", "quick", "brown", "fox"]. There's a decent purpose for a class implementing the features you want, but I honestly don't think the generic list class is it. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: .dll problem

turns up when you search for "windows runtime missing" explains what's going on and points to this link. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Behaviour of os.path.join

faintly gobsmacked that anyone expects something like that to work. If you want a directory, create it. That's what os.mkdir (and the pathlib equivalent) is for. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Behaviour of os.path.join

r the last one, and I've been around here for a while -- it's too hot for me to want to go hunt in the archives :-). How are these unexpected extensionless files getting created? -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Behaviour of os.path.join

else is, as you have discovered, error-prone. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Behaviour of os.path.join

way and joining continues from the absolute path component." Since "\\" is an absolute path component, all the previous components are thrown away and you are left with just "\\". -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Behaviour of os.path.join

b.PureWindowsPath('/').is_absolute() |False Thanks, that seems to suggest that there is an issue and that I should hence submit this as an issue. It is indeed most curious as to why this obviously absolute path is not recognised as such :-) -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: stderr writting before stdout

On 24/05/2020 05:27, Souvik Dutta wrote: Is there any precedence or priority order by which sys.stderr.write() and sys.stdout.write() works. No. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Strings: double versus single quotes

of view of someone who writes more C code than Python, not having to remember a new set of habits for Python makes life a lot simpler. Chacun à son goût and all that. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: why no camelCase in PEP 8?

same difficulty really. I certainly don't find it "hard" to grep for _snake_case. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Installation Problem

led advice. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python Netcdf and ncdump

. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [RELEASE] Python 3.9.0a6 is now available for testing

01 0 OK I don't see any violation of quoting or parentheses matching. Still trying to figure out what this lambda does. Presumably it's something to do with recognising string prefixes? -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What variable type is returned from Open()?

On 17/04/2020 22:27, dcwhat...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 2:11:17 PM UTC-4, Rhodri James wrote: And people wonder why I stick to gdb when at all possible :-) Never worked with it. Is it a debugger for compiled code, i.e. it steps through the executable while displaying

Re: What variable type is returned from Open()?

to cast something to (uint8_t *) because I want to see the bytes and the IDE will not give up on trying to interpret them for me. And people wonder why I stick to gdb when at all possible :-) -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Floating point problem

EE *binary* format, what constitutes an *exact* decimal may be a little surprising! -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: RFC: For Loop Invariants

nt = sum(1 for a in chars if a in seek) It it's not so simple, neither the comprehension nor your proposal are going to be as readable as the twice nesting. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How To Change Package Representation on Shell?

think you can. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to instantiate a custom Python class inside a C extension?

On 01/04/2020 18:24, Musbur wrote: Am 01.04.2020 15:01 schrieb Rhodri James: I believe you do it in C as you would in Python: you call the Series class! pyseries = PyObject_CallObject((PyObject *)_type, NULL); Well, that dumps core just as everything else I tried. What does work, however

Re: How to instantiate a custom Python class inside a C extension?

ve you do it in C as you would in Python: you call the Series class! pyseries = PyObject_CallObject((PyObject *)_type, NULL); -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Like c enumeration in python3

. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP Idea: Multi-get for lists/tuples and dictionaries (inspired in NumPy)

On 19/03/2020 14:47, Peter J. Holzer wrote: On 2020-03-19 14:24:35 +, Rhodri James wrote: On 19/03/2020 13:00, Peter J. Holzer wrote: It's more compact, especially, if "d" isn't a one-character variable, but an expression: fname, lname = db[people].employee.object.g

Re: Why is the program not printing three lines?

instance is created. Try running this code: class first: print("from first") Just that. No instantiation, no "first()", nothing else. Just the class suite itself. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP Idea: Multi-get for lists/tuples and dictionaries (inspired in NumPy)

is better still). -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python question

." Email works exceedingly well for this sort of thing, despite Google's antics. +10 The best response to "This system breaks when I abuse it" is almost always "Well stop abusing it then." -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: encapsulating a global variable

threading disasters by itself, though it will make it easier to protect it as you need. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: encapsulating a global variable

since get_it(piece) returns the error: builtins.TypeError: get_it() takes no arguments It works for me (pace sticking something in GetIt.seen to avoid getting a KeyError). You aren't muddling up the class name and instance name are you? -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https

Re: encapsulating a global variable

a global class instance hanging around, which is not actually any better than a global dictionary. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: time.localtime add a parameter for timezone

asions when you want it, but more often you should be working in UTC not local time. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Paper Print Help

On 20/02/2020 15:08, Duram wrote: On 19/02/2020 12:17, Rhodri James wrote: On 19/02/2020 14:22, Duram via Python-list wrote: I have a drawing in a .gif file with (a,b) pixels and want to paperprint it in a position (x,y), what would be the code? What have you tried? Nothing, I did not find

Re: Paper Print Help

On 19/02/2020 14:22, Duram via Python-list wrote: I have a drawing in a .gif file with (a,b) pixels and want to paperprint it in a position (x,y), what would be the code? What have you tried? -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Technical debt - was Re: datetime seems to be broken WRT timezones (even when you add them)

On 12/02/2020 17:46, Python wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 01:16:03PM +, Rhodri James wrote: On 12/02/2020 00:53, Python wrote: In pretty much every job I've ever worked at, funding work (e.g. with humans to do it) with exactly and precisely the resources required is basically impossible

Re: Technical debt - was Re: datetime seems to be broken WRT timezones (even when you add them)

project, which will accrue its own technical debt... -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ERROR in loading data

a look in the documents will tell you that strings indeed do not have a loads_data() method. I don't know what library you are intending to use, but you need to open your file with that first. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: when uses time.clock,there are always mistakes

File "", line 1, in 　 t = time.clock() 　　AttributeError: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock' It is correct, there is no time.clock() function. The documentation is here: https://docs.python.org/3/library/time.html -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python

Re: Dynamic Data type assignment

rom input, converts it to a string (stripping a trailing newline), and returns that. When EOF is read, EOFError is raised. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Friday Finking: Enum by gum

. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [Python-ideas] Re: Enhancing Zipapp

On 08/01/2020 18:08, many people wrote lots of stuff... Folks, could we pick one list and have the discussion there, rather than on both python-list and python-ideas? Getting *four* copies of Andrew's emails is a tad distracting :-) -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org

Re: Python, Be Bold!

-- which have no graphical interface). -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python, Be Bold! - The Draft

irrelevant to me and those like me. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Dataset training using Kmeans

more likely than me to recognise which of them are relevant to your circumstances. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: hexdump module installation error

such file or directory user@USERnoMacBook-Air LibraBrowser % Huh. You've done a "pip3 install hexdump" so I don't know what might be happening here. Sorry. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: hexdump module installation error

ogies for that. c) I would much prefer it if you didn't top-post, but interleaved your replies like I've done here. I find it hard to follow top-posted messages because they reverse the normal flow of conversation. On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:39 PM Rhodri James wrote: On 18/12/2019 02:23, tomm

Re: hexdump module installation error

it. Could you copy and paste (DON'T retype!) the error instead, so we can all read it? -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python3 - How do I import a class from another file

t; It doesn't. This happens to be the behaviour in CPython, but other implementations vary as Chris has explained several times now. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python3 - How do I import a class from another file

plications for those implementations. I can't speak to the details; the only other implementation I use is Micropython, and I don't use that often enough to have cared about the details of garbage collection beyond noting that it's different to CPython. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mai

Re: Python3 - How do I import a class from another file

an implementation detail of your computer. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python3 - How do I import a class from another file

On 10/12/2019 19:00, R.Wieser wrote: MRAB, You merely disabled the mark-and-sweep collector. Nope. Go check the docs on "gc" Yep. Go and check the docs on "gc" *carefully* *plonk* -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python3 - How do I import a class from another file

n until your script terminates. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Randomizing Strings In A Microservices World

al machine) to each service. So do that, using whatever digits you have left after the unique machine number. * Mash these two numbers into a single ten digit identifier. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Regarding problem in python 3.8.0 installation

.. I'm afraid this is a text-only mailing list, so your screenshot has been stripped off before any of us could see it. Please could you copy and paste the text of the error message you receive. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ImportError: No module named Adafruit_SSD1306 Update

On 05/12/2019 19:30, Rhodri James wrote: On 05/12/2019 18:49, RobH wrote: Update: I did python3 Internet.py and now only get this error: pi@raspberrypi:~/Downloads $ python3 Internet.py    File "Internet.py", line 24 font = ImageFont.truetype( 'Minecrafti

Re: ImportError: No module named Adafruit_SSD1306 Update

and demand that we use either all tabs or all spaces for our indentation. That's what you've fallen foul off; there must be a mix of tabs and spaces in that line! -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: nonlocal fails ?

) # prints 'It was 5' show_my_global() # prints '3' -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: nonlocal fails ?

uot; (my emphasis.) MyVar is a global here, so nonlocal explicitly doesn't pick it up. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Launching a Script on the Linux Platform

the shebang line invoking env, as far I recall, was that you'd get the "proper" system python3 wherever it had been put rather than something random and possibly malicious. I guess that means to go for your first option. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Using Makefiles in Python projects

that worthwhile. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Using Makefiles in Python projects

cross-platform with NMake/GNU make is every bit as horrid as you're imagining when you start getting clever, and I haven't tried doing it for years. Generally when I'm working on both Windows and Linux, Cygwin is involved anyway so I just use GNU make and be done with it. -- Rhodri James

Re: Using Makefiles in Python projects

e, and use it in preference to the IDE when I can. Yes, it's a hassle, but it's a hassle you're going to go through anyway. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Syntax Suggestion: Pass Function Definition as Argument

but this is a toy example and just as easily written with lambdas if you're that worried about using up names. -10 from me. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How execute at least two python files at once when imported?

, but still requires a lot of careful thought. For example you've asserted that the modules you want to import simultaneously, but you also need to consider the import mechanism itself. Put 1 and 2 together, and multi-threaded import sounds like a nightmare. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd

Re: How execute at least two python files at once when imported?

On 06/11/2019 11:42, Rhodri James wrote: On 06/11/2019 09:51, Spencer Du wrote: On Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:44:46 UTC+1, Rhodri James  wrote: On 05/11/2019 18:33, Spencer Du wrote: I want to execute at least two python files at once when imported but I dont know how to do this. Currently I

Re: How execute at least two python files at once when imported?

On 06/11/2019 09:51, Spencer Du wrote: On Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:44:46 UTC+1, Rhodri James wrote: On 05/11/2019 18:33, Spencer Du wrote: I want to execute at least two python files at once when imported but I dont know how to do this. Currently I can only import each file one after

Re: How execute at least two python files at once when imported?

would you want to do this? What exactly does "at the same time" mean here? -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: __instancecheck__ metaclasses, how do they work: why do I get True when I tuple, why doesn't print run?

On 04/11/2019 22:23, Peter J. Holzer wrote: On 2019-11-04 14:54:23 +, Rhodri James wrote: On 04/11/2019 14:33, Veek M wrote: __metaclass__ = whatever; # is python2.x syntax But not Python3: see PEP 3115 Doesn't "X is python2.x syntax" imply "X is not python3 syntax"

Re: __instancecheck__ metaclasses, how do they work: why do I get True when I tuple, why doesn't print run?

for the True result. Logically the problem must be to do with your MyzMeta class then. I have no idea what. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: __instancecheck__ metaclasses, how do they work: why do I get True when I tuple, why doesn't print run?

MyMeta.__instancecheck__(). The isinstance() still returns True, though, and I don't know why. Then again, your definition of MyMeta is really weird. f = Foo() b = Bar() print(isinstance(f, (Bar, Foo))) -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: OOP - iterable class: how to delete one of its objects ?

ement the reference count" existed.Thank you. Could cause some interresting "the object has disappeared!" problems when you're not carefull with it though ... :-) Yes, it can. That's why you want to create a finalizer to tidy up. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mai

Re: OOP - iterable class: how to delete one of its objects ?

count. This won't automatically delete the reference from the WeakSet when the instance goes away, you'll want to set a finalizer for that, but the documentation covers what you want to know fairly clearly. Trust me, I was doing exactly this a week or so ago, and it's pretty straightfo

Re: Calculations and Variables

On 01/11/2019 17:07, MRAB wrote: On 2019-11-01 12:36, Rhodri James wrote: On 31/10/2019 20:14, MRAB wrote: On 2019-10-31 18:46, ferzan saglam wrote: The code below which I have written should print the result of 43.6 with the given values I have included at the end of this question

Re: Calculations and Variables

n Python3. So my first piece of advice would be to switch to Python3 now so you don't have to re-learn oddities like input(), print() and string handling. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Black

ich indicates that I too shouldn't consider using black!) -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Instantiating sub-class from super

many and varied ways of coming back to bite you? -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Curious about library inclusion

On 15/10/2019 12:38, Antoon Pardon wrote: On 11/10/19 15:48, Rhodri James wrote: On 10/10/2019 12:40, Antoon Pardon wrote: About including piped iterators: http://code.activestate.com/recipes/580625-collection-pipeline-in-python/ On 10/10/19 13:00, Paul Moore wrote: As another measure

Re: Error: thrift.transport.TTransport.TTransportException: Could not start SASL: b'Error in sasl_client_start (-4) SASL(-4): no mechanism available: Unable t

On 11/10/2019 15:13, Prabakaran Hadoop wrote: Thanks for your reply. Any work around or any other way to achieve from python to prestosql . If there is, it'll be in the GitHub issue I linked to. I just applied Google to your question. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd -- https

Re: Curious about library inclusion

line means in particular. It's exactly like coming across an unusual phrasing or iffy grammar in a piece of writing; you get thrown out of the reading experience by having to concentrate on the individual words. Heh. Literary criticism as applied to programming. Only in Python... -- Rhodri James

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