Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-23 Thread Rok Papez
Hello! On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:29:03 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I understood that (I'm not an idiot, as you may be implying). BTW, please don't be so arrogant to ask others "Please read the post carefuly before replying" [sic]. You win nothing with this attitude. Sorry..

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Rok Papez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I hit reply it tells me that From: and Reply-To: fields differ and asks me to what e-mail adress do I want to reply (to mailing list or to the author personal mailbox). - Now that's a smart MUA. Except that it's lying to you. I know a non-trivial

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-22 Thread Peter Haworth
Russell Nelson said: Tim Pierce writes: Sounds great! I'm all ears. Where do we submit bug reports for Microsoft Internet Mail, Microsoft Outlook, and WebTV? The problem (as I see it) is that there is no requirements or even guidelines for MUAs. How's about we get all the mailing

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Feb 19, 1999 at 10:45:21AM -0800, Kai MacTane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like it wouldn't be already? Or are you suggesting that the originator would manage all the mail coming back to hir, acting as a temporary gateway between the two lists? The Mail-Followup-To header will make

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread rbrito
On Feb 19 1999, Rok Papez wrote: The mailing list sets the Reply-To: address to the mailing list, the From: field is preserved. When I hit the Reply buttin in PMMail (MUA), he notices the difference between the "From:" and "Reply-To:" list, pops up a quick dialog asking me to choose to whom

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Scott Schwartz
"Rok Papez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | When I hit reply it tells me that From: and Reply-To: fields differ and | asks me to what e-mail adress do I want to reply (to mailing list or | to the author personal mailbox). | - Now that's a smart MUA. | | And nearly all responses to my post that I got

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Justin Bell
On Fri, Feb 19, 1999 at 08:53:51AM -0500, Peter Green wrote: # On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Rok Papez wrote: # I also moderate a mailing list where most people use PMMail and # mailing list sets the Reply-To. There has been only 1 (!) mistake # when someone replied to the mailing list instead of

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Rok Papez
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:30:03 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19 1999, Rok Papez wrote: The mailing list sets the Reply-To: address to the mailing list, the From: field is preserved. When I hit the Reply buttin in PMMail (MUA), he notices the difference between the "From:" and

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Peter Green
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Justin Bell wrote: On Fri, Feb 19, 1999 at 08:53:51AM -0500, Peter Green wrote: # Try subscribing to the inet-access mailing list. They set the Reply-To: to # the list, and it's nearly 2-5 times per day that someone accidentally # posts a private response to the list.

RE: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Rok Papez
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:05:31 -0500, Mark Bainter wrote: Just use mutt. ( http://www.mutt.org ) (And yes, I'm not using it now. Qmail comes to my work account because I'm too lazy to move it. I use mutt for all my other lists and it works great. It is able to recognize lists and when you

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Rok Papez
Hi Peter. # Try subscribing to the inet-access mailing list. They set the Reply-To: to # the list, and it's nearly 2-5 times per day that someone accidentally # posts a private response to the list. now that is really strange Not really, when you consider how busy everyone on the list is.

RE: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Rok Papez
Hi Mark. On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:31:22 -0500, Mark Bainter wrote: Then patch pine to work properly and/or add the features you need. Don't break the list to fix a MUA problem. -shrug- I use mutt for mutiple reasons. I personally like the interface, but my biggest reason is that it does things

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Greg Owen {gowen}
Um, no. Everybody honors Reply-To. The problem is that most MUAs Not quite everybody. cc:Mail (at least some versions) completely ignores it. -- gowen -- Greg Owen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note my new [EMAIL PROTECTED] address which will become my

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Fri, Feb 19, 1999 at 03:14:53PM +0100, Rok Papez wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:30:03 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damn Reply-To field myself upon request of my users. Are there any ports of Mutt to the Windows world so that I can recommend that for my users? Mutt is very unintuitive

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Justin Bell
On Sat, Feb 20, 1999 at 09:42:45AM -0500, Greg Owen {gowen} wrote: # Um, no. Everybody honors Reply-To. The problem is that most MUAs # # Not quite everybody. cc:Mail (at least some versions) completely # ignores it. that killed on the MTA level -- /- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Russell Nelson
Rok Papez writes: Who is talking about two "Reply-To:" fields Anybody who suggests that the Reply-To should be set to "the" list. What happens when mail is sent to multiple lists? Each sets the Reply-To to its own list, and the discussion is immediately fragmented. Doh! -- -russ

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Len Budney
Scott Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your MUA is so smart, why doesn't it suppress the duplicates for you (like procmail)? Otherwise, you cannot avoid seeing *some*, because SMTP itself doesn't guarantee not to generate some. Though I'm not using procmail too heavily lately, I

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Harald Hanche-Olsen
- "Len Budney" [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | Sadly, I think I'm one of the bogus-MUA users. I use Mew under | emacs, and can only find one "reply" function, which seems to work | as "reply to all". Does anyone know Mew, and know whether I've | missed something? I use mew. No, you haven't missed

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread ddb
Tim Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 17 February 1999 at 18:09:39 -0500 On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 08:32:16AM -0500, Peter Green wrote: Why doesn't Qmail mailing list set the Reply To: field to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". It is very anoying that I must type the mailing list address for

Re: two copies (was Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:)

1999-02-19 Thread ddb
Scott Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 17 February 1999 at 18:46:24 -0500 Fact: SMTP does not guarantee that you won't see two copies of any given message. We all know this, right? It's come up again and again, and the fair comment is always that anyone who cares about that problem

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Roman V. Isaev
On 02/19, Justin Bell wrote: # I also moderate a mailing list where most people use PMMail and # mailing list sets the Reply-To. There has been only 1 (!) mistake # when someone replied to the mailing list instead of privately. # Try subscribing to the inet-access mailing list. They set

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Kai MacTane
Text written by Russell Nelson at 03:18 PM 2/19/99 -: Rok Papez writes: Who is talking about two "Reply-To:" fields Anybody who suggests that the Reply-To should be set to "the" list. What happens when mail is sent to multiple lists? Each sets the Reply-To to its own list, and the

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Rok Papez
Hi Russell. On 19 Feb 1999 15:18:39 -, Russell Nelson wrote: Who is talking about two "Reply-To:" fields Anybody who suggests that the Reply-To should be set to "the" list. What happens when mail is sent to multiple lists? Each sets the Reply-To to its own list, and the discussion

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Keith Burdis
On Fri 1999-02-19 (15:22), Rok Papez wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:05:31 -0500, Mark Bainter wrote: Just use mutt. ( http://www.mutt.org ) (And yes, I'm not using it now. Qmail comes to my work account because I'm too lazy to move it. I use mutt for all my other lists and it works

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread rbrito
On Feb 19 1999, Rok Papez wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:30:03 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. IMO, it's not as easy as you want to make it, because this is a misuse of the Reply-To field. As far as I know, messages compliant with the RFCs can't have two Reply-To fields (which one

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread rok . papez
Exactly my point.. If you took your time and read (instead of scanning) the message before replying, those "Ups I posted a private mail to the mailing list" mistakes wouldn't hapen with "Reply-To:" field set to the mailinglist address Using stock Unix /bin/mail, try to

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-19 Thread Justin Bell
On Fri, Feb 19, 1999 at 02:43:46PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # #Exactly my point.. If you took your time and read (instead of scanning) #the message before replying, those "Ups I posted a private mail to the #mailing #list" mistakes wouldn't hapen with "Reply-To:" field

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-18 Thread Tim Pierce
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 11:52:22PM -, Russell Nelson wrote: Tim Pierce writes: Unfortunately, there's an awful lot of unreasonable mailers in the world, which makes that philosophy impractical. Pandering to the unreasonable mailers doesn't help. The chief cost is one of

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-18 Thread Russell Nelson
Tim Pierce writes: Sounds great! I'm all ears. Where do we submit bug reports for Microsoft Internet Mail, Microsoft Outlook, and WebTV? The problem (as I see it) is that there is no requirements or even guidelines for MUAs. How's about we get all the mailing list manager people together,

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-18 Thread Mate Wierdl
On Thu, Feb 18, 1999 at 11:03:26PM -, Russell Nelson wrote: Tim Pierce writes: Sounds great! I'm all ears. Where do we submit bug reports for Microsoft Internet Mail, Microsoft Outlook, and WebTV? The problem (as I see it) is that there is no requirements or even guidelines for

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-18 Thread Racer X
The problem (as I see it) is that there is no requirements or even guidelines for MUAs. How's about we get all the mailing list manager people together, and bash out a set of requirements that a mailing list-friendly MUA will have. Then we either find a group to publish them, or else create our

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-18 Thread Russell Nelson
Racer X writes: But there ARE requirements and guidelines for MUAs. They're called RFCs :) Which RFC says ``Thou shalt have separate "Reply to Sender", "Reply to List"[1], and "Reply to All" buttons''? [1] which, of course, really means "Reply to Recipient", but that action only makes sense

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-17 Thread Mate Wierdl
Hi! Why doesn't Qmail mailing list set the Reply To: field to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". It is very anoying that I must type the mailing list address for every message I respond to. What if a poster is not a subscriber? he would set the reply-to field to his personal

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-17 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 11:52:26AM +0300, Roman V. Isaev wrote: On 02/17, Rok Papez wrote: Why doesn't Qmail mailing list set the Reply To: field to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". It is very anoying that I must type the mailing list address for every message I respond to. Touchy

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-17 Thread Peter Green
Why doesn't Qmail mailing list set the Reply To: field to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". It is very anoying that I must type the mailing list address for every message I respond to. Check out http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html for a great reason *not* to set the Reply-To: header. Any

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-17 Thread Kai MacTane
At 08:32 AM 2/17/99 -0500, Peter Green wrote: Check out http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html for a great reason *not* to set the Reply-To: header. Any reasonable mailer should have some sort of "reply to (l)ist, (s)ender, (b)oth" option. And also see the discussion forum that's linked

Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:

1999-02-17 Thread Tim Pierce
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 08:32:16AM -0500, Peter Green wrote: Why doesn't Qmail mailing list set the Reply To: field to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". It is very anoying that I must type the mailing list address for every message I respond to. Check out

two copies (was Re: Qmail mailing list and ReplyTo:)

1999-02-17 Thread Scott Schwartz
Fact: SMTP does not guarantee that you won't see two copies of any given message. We all know this, right? It's come up again and again, and the fair comment is always that anyone who cares about that problem will have their MTA set up to deal with it. Irony: what's the point of complaining if