I have worked with a bear trainer (on set) that brought a half grizzly half
brown bear that refused to eat meat. He told me that he has encountered one
other that was vegetarian.
There are no absolutes...
On Saturday, November 8, 2014 12:04:01 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
Humans, like
This is what I don't see. Corn came to North America even later than to
middle America, yet the better part of two whole continents built
flourishing civilizations on corn and a couple of other vegetables (those
were the dietary basis, though of course they ate other things. Much of the
rest of SA
Because such things show ideological fervor and not scientific dispassion.
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
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On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:35:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
Incidentally, remembering the story
1491 was an amazing read.
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I'm not a nutritionist, but I do practice medicine if that counts for
anything.
In medicine when there is a disease that has many different possible
treatments it indicates we really don't have a good treatment yet, or we
don't understand the disease very well yet. I think this is why there are
I, for one, am grateful Eat Bacon Don't Jog has been written. I happen to be
one of those folks who simply cannot handle a high-carb diet. I come from a
family with rampant diabetes - both types - and though I'm only 33 and NOT
overweight, my lab results revealed prediabetes last month.
Leah, please don't be offended, but you started off with high-carb diet.
I don't think high-anything diet can be good for anybody. The only high
thing that is good for any of us is high activity. Like going for a bike
ride. I just got home from 30 miles and finished with that tough climb
Ron, I'm not offended. High carb diet is what we have in the USofA and that is
what I'm referring to. Doctors have been saying the high-carb diet is great -
been saying it for decades, and we see that it is not. Low-fat, lots of grains,
low-fat pasta and rice, it's all been touted as superior
ok - thanks
On Saturday, November 8, 2014 11:07:10 AM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
Ron, I'm not offended. High carb diet is what we have in the USofA and
that is what I'm referring to. Doctors have been saying the high-carb diet
is great - been saying it for decades, and we see that it is not.
There is plenty of science to back up the Daniel Diet. I think you take
issue because a group of people got their diet's name and inspiration from
the Bible. I doubt you are appalled by the names of diets derived from
non-Christian entities (ex. Paleo). What if they got their name and
There are many plants that have naturally developed toxins so that insects
won’t eat them. A plant “that even a bug has the sense not to eat” isn’t
necessarily bad.
—Eric “Not Genetically Modified” N
P.S. Many insects have themselves developed toxins that make them unpalatable
to other
Humans, like bears, pigs, and rats, are omnivores.
A true carnivore cannot move its jaw from side to side to grind its food.
There are monogastric herbivores, like horses and rabbits. Using cows' guts to
prove humans must be carnivores is rhetoric, not science.
That is true Eric but you are comparing apples to oranges. I was referring
to GMO. A GMO or genetically modified organism is created by merging the
DNA from different species to create an organism; plant, animal, bacteria
or virus which cannot be produced in nature or through traditional
True, but simply saying that we shouldn't eat any plant (grain) that an insect
won't eat is a much broader statement, and covers plants with naturally
occurring defenses.
Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
On Nov 8, 2014, at 12:28 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via
OK, perhaps I will retract the annoyed and leave only the amused. For
the record, I am a practicing Orthodox Christian and I am quite ready to
believe Daniel -- that is, to believe that the book, Daniel, accurately
relates what happened to the prophet, Daniel. I just find the gee whiz!!!
factor on
True omnivores find a Moscow Mule, made with good vodka and real ginger
beer, a Very Good Thing after a nice bosque ride on the Fargo. (Even if
they are Orthodox Christians.)
(Mblmblmblmbl, Amen.)
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Philip Williamson
philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:
Humans,
I didn't say that. I was specifically referring to GMO's. At least I
thought I was. Oh well ... lets move on.
Matt
On Saturday, November 8, 2014 2:20:22 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
True, but simply saying that we shouldn't eat any plant (grain) that an
insect won't eat is a much
What? It’s just getting fun.
—Eric “Half Gallon of Organic Milk in the Fridge” N
On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:03 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
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Oh well ... lets move on.
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Humans are omnivores, of course. I hesitate to say THIS, but if we evolved
from apes, and it's understandable that we'd have some ape-like
features--like a sideways-moving jaw, and eyeballs in front.
Right now and for the last 200,000 years, our digestive system looks more
like a dog's than
H. I will have to ask my dentist next time I see her if cavities can, in
fact, “vanish.” That would be wonderful.
—Eric
On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Some cavities even vanished.
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Many of the issues brought up here are addressed (I address them) in the
book. Not to say that my addressing them carves them into even limestone,
but the book can speak for itself and me, and I'd hate for somebody to hear
ketosis or diabetes and assume that I'm wacky on either of those.
I
On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:35:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
Incidentally, remembering the story in Daniel about the captives turning
away the rich meats offered by the king and turning out healthier than
everyone else on a diet of legumes, I was amused and appalled to see that
Believing that carbs are the sole or even primary cause of obesity requires
you to completely disregard the bulk of humanity that exists on a high carb
diet and yet is healthy.
I follow a lot of nutrition websites, including several run by folks with
PhD's in the biological sciences and who
Gary Taubes writes a book. Somebody who doesn't agree says It's way more
complex than just carbs
Stephan Guyenet wirtes a blog. Somebody who doesn't agree says. It's way
more complex than just calories in vs calories out
Both critics are factually correct in saying it's more complex than
Thanks for posting this, Chris. My own guiding principle in such matters is
nil novum sub sole and my guiding rule is that any theory (in diet as in
other matters) that purports to be radically different will go away within
a decade.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners
Incidentally, remembering the story in Daniel about the captives turning
away the rich meats offered by the king and turning out healthier than
everyone else on a diet of legumes, I was amused and appalled to see that
even this has been turned into a theory and a diet.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at
While I'm not quite lean and racy, I've never been overweight in 57 years -
I see friends all around me leaning out to gaunt with new diets while other
friends slide into type II diabetes. My sister has become a food nazi and
preaches carb evils to anyone who will listen - her residual
I'll throw one other variable into this conversation. Environmentally
speaking, meat production in this country (and others) has a terrible
cost. Yes, there are options for those who can afford it, to buy organic,
make sure the animals are treated humanely and not pumped with
antibiotics, etc.
The problem you describe, Addison, is not with meat itself, but with modern
animal husbandry practices, which largely are the result of feeding animals
grain rather than their natural diet of grass and wild foraging. Hormones
and antibiotics and pesticides are not generally needed for grass fed
I would say that parody has been achieved.
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Och! Parity. Good catch!
With abandon,
Patrick
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Jay Hartman: I, too, have asked that question: Namely, if I'm already
slender and healthy and reasonably fit, would a low-carb, high-fat diet
make me healthier still? Perhaps it would. And perhaps Grant's book will
help to explain. In the meantime, I think Gary Taubes said something to the
Not to hijack the thread, but is there any reason that a thin healthy
person with good cholesterol, blood numbers, etc, should even consider this
diet?
Is there any other benefit to be had?
Jay Hartman.
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been cutting back on
If good cholesterol means low cholesterol then you are likely not
improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and neurological
systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to higher rates of
altzheimer's, MS, and more.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014
A canned sardine, Roquefort, coconut and yogurt omelette is its own reward.
Knock it back with a steaming mug of ghee tea and world is your, err...
oyster.
Jeff I Test My Blood with a Gränsfors Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 5:59:25 PM UTC-8, jay hartman wrote:
No, not at all. The last time it was checked, my good cholesterol was 100
and my bad was 130. I love sardines, and fish in general. I just haven't
given up on carbs.
Would it make a difference?
That is what I want to know. Is this a diet just for people who are
overweight? Or with health problems
On 11/04/2014 09:06 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
If good cholesterol means low cholesterol then you are likely not
improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and
neurological systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to
higher rates of altzheimer's, MS, and more.
I
Once again, let's not forget that millions, if not billions, of people
lived and live healthily -- at least, free of diseases endemic to modern
Western diets -- by eating largely grains, vegetables, and a little fish
and meat. The Japanese are not known for diabetes, heart disease, obesity,
or
I forgot to add that my mother has controlled type 2 diabetes and heart
disease for 25 years by cutting back on fats and sugars and eating, again,
rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. She didn't get diabetes and heart
disease by eating rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. We buy her long
First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related
technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of
this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete.
I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely
interested in the
I started a low carb diet in fall 2011. I found giving up my sugar addiction
quite dramatic, but bacon helped. I lost 12 lbs. My blood numbers improved,:
triglycerides went from 230 to 70, LDL from 36 to 54, LDL remained unchanged so
my total cholesterol actually increased.. I eat no sugars in
Stoopid autocorrect... HDL is now in the 50s. And I no longer bonk
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