I have heard that the tubeless setup has gotten much less fussy for most
combinations of tubeless-ready equipment, even for non-bike shop people.
And agree that it's helpful to have a bicycle that you feel comfortable
moving around. Enjoy, and maybe we'll be able to pull off another East
Coast
Peace. Nobody should ever try to mess with your tubeless Big Ones. The
proof is in the pudding, or something.
Schwalbe SV19A tubes for 700C x 40-62mm 140gr.
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/schwalbe-tubes-for-700c-tires/
doubtless available elsewhere too.
On Sunday,
I don't want to hear more evidence. I want my tubeless Big Ones. *Quod erat
demonstrandum *(as Euclid would say).
But I'm pleased to hear you can buy 140 gram fat tubes.
Patrick "the evidence is good enough for me, data be damned" Moore
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:46 PM ted wrote:
> I don't
I don't doubt she shaved 1.5 lbs in the switch at all, just that it is all
in swapping tubes for sealant.
Try your calcs again ignoring the tires.
e.g:
(250-60)*2/454 -> ~ 0.84 lbs
Now the tires alone:
(800-450)*2/454 -> ~ 1.54 lbs
It's the tires man, the tires. Is all I'm saying.
Oh
Here is what I can calculate from memory for the switch for my 29er wheels;
I realize that Leah uses 650B, so adjust accordingly.
700C X 60 Big Apple, the "Liteskin" version: 800 grams on my scale.
Box-stock 29er tube: 250 grams.
Total: 1050 grams.
700C X 60 Big One: 450 grams on my scale.
2 fl
Depending on the size tires you ride, replacing your tubes with sealant can
save a few ounces but 1.5 pounds seems implausible.
1.5 pounds is 24 oz. add 3 for sealant (mind i think that 2-4 oz. is per
wheel so I should add 6) and you get 27 so your tubes were over 13oz. each?
That's about
I just want to shout out to the Rivsisters how much joy, enthusiasm, and a
fresh perspective you each are adding to this list.
Welcome Melanie, Roberta and Leah you each already know how much respect I
maintain for you amazing Riv owners.
The fact that you have found, love, and promote Rivendell
Well, the other thing the #RivSisters wanted was less weight. Tubes are heavier
than sealant - the sealant was only 2-4 ounces. If I remember right, I got rid
of 1.5 pounds by shedding tubes. That said, none of us women are weight weenies
- we’re choosing stout Rivendell bikes as our daily
The Riv-sisters are changing three things at once (tires, wheels, tubeless)
with wondrous results. Which of course is great.
How much of the wondrousness is directly due to tubeless is, I think, an
open (though perhaps unimportant) question. As such the clarity of that
other dividing line
Spoke Nipples! Sorry. hit spost before proofreading.
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 4:28:47 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Congrats Roberta! So glad it all worked out so well for you! Its always
> nice to take something you enjoy and find a way to enjoy it even more! Hope
> to see you on the
Congrats Roberta! So glad it all worked out so well for you! Its always
nice to take something you enjoy and find a way to enjoy it even more! Hope
to see you on the trail sometime. I won't be able to miss the purple
nipples!
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Precisely my assessment as well, Ted. Goatheads are the dividing line I
see. Yet, clearly, there is another dividing line that Roberta and
Riv-sisters are pointing out as well, and I'm delighted it is working for
them.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-6, ted
Hey Deacon,
Though you are certainly big, and you may be an Ogre, I think we both know
you're not dumb.
I think sometimes the move to tubeless gets conflated with the move to big
supple low pressure tires, because some people do both at the same time. As
you are already riding big supple low
Sweet ride, Roberta! I know how much more my daughters love riding their
lighter Clementines compared with their previous, much heavier kid's bikes
or 90s Trek rebuilds. As an ogre who carries my bikepacking rig weighing up
to 100 pounds as needed, I don't innately appreciate that need and
Dang, that is a beautiful new wheelset and a heck of a pair of bikes. The
purple nipples with the touch of gold is precisely my plan. This motivates
me to get my XO-1 sold, since that's what's primarily funding the new
wheelset.
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Hi, Everyone. I had to borrow a computer today to respond. I can write
more when I get home. Such a lively discussion. I don't mind any civil
discussions, because it's on this board that I've learned so much!
First, let me say, I don't mind a heavy bike, but for for a female my age
(or any
By the way, I hope I did not come across as too aggressive; I was simply
being silly.
You obviously have quite a bit of experience with tires, and your opinion
about tubeless, fwiw, corresponds to Jan Heine's, whom I'd consider an
authority of a sort. Of course, I've often found that Jan's
Good to hear from #RivSister Melanie!
I am sure none of of us would complain if you chose to indulge us with photos
of your new wheels on your Appaloosa. 朗
I agree that the bikes feel very different after getting these new wheels. I’m
not going to “quibble” about tubeless, but what was
Hi Roberta, I love my Appaloosa as well. James and Candice have helped me
lighten it up as well. I had it set up with big Nitto racks front and rear
but James recommended a better way. He also build a set of wheels for me
and I too am a tubeless convert. I haven't done the 1 x yet but I am
Seems like Analog is getting some good business! I reached out about a month
ago and have a 650b dyno wheel (not wheelset) in the works for my Crust
Evasion. My frame is the very bright sunset fade, so I asked them to throw some
subdued color in there. The loud bike doesn’t need a loud
Hi Roberta and all - I too have been "enlightened." Once Roberta said she
was going to go for it and lighten up her Appaloosa I got the courage to do
the same to mine. Analog built me some new wheels with Pacenti rims, Bitex
hubs, a SRAM 990 cassette and tubeless Gravelkings. Of course, some
While this "quibble" may be considered something of a damp blanket, threads
go off on much greater tangents than this all the time, (and no tangent is
"necessary.") When you post you open up to a free range discussion within
proscribed boundaries, and this is in-bounds.
As Roberta and Leah and
Agreed, super unnecessary tangent from an awesome post.
This bike looks like so much fun!
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Is there a reason why these long dissertations on tubeless are on this thread?
I tried the nice version of getting it back on track and it didn't work. I
don't think it's fair to "can't help quibbling" with Roberta, who just wanted
to show off her new bike builds. This - whatever this is -
Nay, ill not leave it to proxies, though proxies are certainly welcome. But
rather lets not fight.
Of course an ounce or two of liquid latex inside the tire is nothing like a
1/4 inch layer of the solid kind between the tread and the casing. Nor is a
mr tuffy liner anything like a light tube.
Yeah but Roberta's bikes are sweet.
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Let us agree to fight it out by proxy. Proxies! Let us know your
(real-life, personal) experiences relevant to comparing how tubeless setups
affect ride quality -- resistance and cushioning. Include the effects, if
any, of sealant in tubeless tires.
Also, why is "internal parts of the tire system
Well, I've never run the direct experiment so I'll have to deffer to your
greater experience.
I will however mumble about confirmation bias, psychological bla bla bla
etc.
And I'll reject your "stands to reason" outright.
I don't think "internal parts of the tire system rubbing against
My experience in comparing the same or similar tires tubeless and with
tubes is limited, but from based on that experience, I have to disagree:
getting rid of even light tubes (70 gram or even 60 gram lightweights in
the 26" X 1" or 650C X 23 mm sizes) certainly seemed to make Schwalbe
Kojaks roll
Roberta,
I am so glad you are thrilled with your new stuff. I hope this doesn't come
out too negative/snarky/preachy/ because I can't keep from quibbling.
I think tubeless gets a lot of unwarranted or rather I should say
imprecisely stated, jumping over an important logical step, credit
Roberta,
Such a nice build and a beautiful bicycle. A use a Riv Banana Sack too and
it seems to hold so much more than you'd think looking at the outside
dimensions. Do you like the 1x drivetrain so far? Do you ride many hills?
Doug Hansford
On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:42:36 PM UTC-4,
Another #Rivsister joins the fray!
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I really want to encourage you to do it, Joyce. If you’ve got the desire and
the means it’s so worth it. It’s like getting a new bike.
My sister and I both got 2019 Clems (hers is the bronzy green) and she left it
stock. I’m hoping she brings hers to the lake when we go to my brother’s for
Wow! What a fantastic upgrade, Roberta! Thanks for the detailed write-up and
photos. I’m really happy for you. Your Appaloosa is stunning and the Homer is
too (I love that blue).
Between you and Leah, I’’m becoming convinced I should make the plunge into a
“lightening up” project for my
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