[RE-wrenches] Low voltage DC v. higher voltage DC

2018-09-12 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
The SMA Sunny Storage looks promising. It will be able to work with the LGC RESU10 HV battery and, sooner rather than later I hope, BYD package as well. And it will allow for a backup generator tie in. Ta-dah! marco On Thursday, September 13, 2018, Bruce Erickson wrote: > Hi Marco, > > I par

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low voltage DC

2018-09-12 Thread Bruce Erickson
Hi Marco, I partially agree with you. I recently bid Outback, StorEdge, and Pika options for a GTBB customer, partly to understand pricing for myself, and found OB to be so much more expensive. The customer really wanted a system that would be to be able to charge the batteries off a generator

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16RE-2V set-points

2018-09-12 Thread Sindelar Solar
William and all, While I too have avoided Trojan in recent years due to multiple reports of poor performance on this list, I want to note that in my experience, battery distributor experience will vary according to the individual branch. My local Albuquerque distributor is very good - prompt t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Voc for effective string?

2018-09-12 Thread Jerry Shafer
Bill Stack up the panels to 3 to get voltages less then 150 VOC Never to Exceed with a FX 60 or 80 charge Controller and sure you can charge a 48 volt system 2 panels may work but high temps might hamstring your output. Jerry On Tue, Sep 11, 2018, 3:04 PM Bill Battagin wrote: > I've been on hold

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Voc for effective string?

2018-09-12 Thread Sindelar Solar
Bill and all, To elaborate a bit on Ray's accurate suggestion with a bit of history... in the early days the general consensus developed that for general use, 36 cells (given that one cell produces just shy of 1/2 volt, regardless of cell size) was the standard cell count for battery charging.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Any thoughts on this approach to adding battery backup to an existing grid tie system will be appreciated.

2018-09-12 Thread Jerry Shafer
Ken AC Coupling is always do-able, might not be the best solution but it can work well if set up right, you can use DC contactor to shut down strings or AC to kill the inverter, DC will respond faster. Use an Outback Radian(s) and Blue Ion Batteries for a sweet easy solution. I've used outback for

Re: [RE-wrenches] Any thoughts on this approach to adding battery backup to an existing grid tie system will be appreciated.

2018-09-12 Thread Dan Fink
Diversion load controller and diversion loads will work every time, no matter what the equipment. Dan Fink Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute IREC Certified Instructor™ for: ~ PV Installation Professional ~ Small Wind Installer Executive Director, Buckville Energy NABCEP Regis

Re: [RE-wrenches] Any thoughts on this approach to adding battery backup to an existing grid tie system will be appreciated.

2018-09-12 Thread Wayne Irwin
Looks like standard AC coupling. We typically just redo the whole system rather than retro fit. Depending on the system size, it's usually not that much more work (racking is already up) and the end result is always a regulated charge to the batteries. It would be great if someone would come u

[RE-wrenches] Low voltage DC

2018-09-12 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Aloha all, At the risk of whacking at a hornet’s nest…lower voltage DC is s 80s and 90s especially when it comes to grid-tie applications with battery storage. The time of OutBack and Schneider and all the others doing 48VDC is drawing to close. Enough already. Thank you for your se

Re: [RE-wrenches] Any thoughts on this approach to adding battery backup to an existing grid tie system will be appreciated.

2018-09-12 Thread Peter Giroux
Ken We have had terrific success with AC Coupling. Yes there are some differences from Dc Coupled systems but if built properly, customer is willing to learn how to use it and maintain it and you put the correct relays in to shut off the string inverters if battery voltage gets to high, great

Re: [RE-wrenches] Any thoughts on this approach to adding battery backup to an existing grid tie system will be appreciated.

2018-09-12 Thread Ray
I didn't watch the whole thing, but it looked like a standard AC couple set up with an Outback Radian.  My understanding is that Outback no longer supports AC Coupling, BTW.  I would never use that for an off grid system or  for longer outages.  In a very brief explanation,  it essentially bypa

[RE-wrenches] Any thoughts on this approach to adding battery backup to an existing grid tie system will be appreciated.

2018-09-12 Thread Ken Schaal
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Re: [RE-wrenches] 72 volt charge controller

2018-09-12 Thread Ray
I'm not sure on that particular device, but SCI equipment usually have test points, that you measure with a volt meter: positive to test point, negative to the negative battery input.  The readings reflect cell voltage, so you need to figure the voltage set points you want, and divide by 36 (in

[RE-wrenches] 72 volt charge controller

2018-09-12 Thread Kristopher Schmid
Hi all, I am servicing a system that has a 72 volt charge controller circuit board made by solar converters in Canada. I believe they are no longer in the business. The float and bulk settings are messed up and they are set with two variable resistor pots. Can anyone tell me how I can set these

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16RE-2V set-points

2018-09-12 Thread William Miller
Friends: I used to buy Trojans. My vendor told me about 3 years ago that Trojan had been acquired and the chemistry in the plates had changed. Later they denied making that statement. I had a set of L16s vastly underperform. Trojan suggest a bulk/absorption voltage higher than any other manuf

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16RE-2V set-points

2018-09-12 Thread Ray
Unfortunately I'm seeing premature failures of the 2 v models even more.  You have paralleled cells in each battery, and it can be difficult to even identify the failures.  I found the infared camera to be invaluable, as you can see the shorted cell clearly in a thermal image. Ray Walters Remo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Voc for effective string?

2018-09-12 Thread Ray
A 2nd option: A pair of 72 cell modules should be enough. Ray Walters Remote Solar 303 505-8760 On 9/12/18 9:21 AM, Mac Lewis wrote: Hi Bill, I agree with Allen. We get similar peak temps here and two 60 cell modules doesn't charge a 48V battery bank adequately. This effect would become wors

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Voc for effective string?

2018-09-12 Thread David Katz
Bill, What is the full charge voltage of your L-ion pack. The one I am using need 56 VDC. Next look at the module data sheet and see % or actual drop in peak power voltage per degree C. The modules will be about 60 degrees C which is 40 degrees higher that where they are rated. My guess is that if

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L16RE-2V set-points

2018-09-12 Thread Drake
I agree with the comments that followed on this thread, and would also like to add that Trojan L-16 batteries have a high rate of premature failure. Possibly the 2 V cells are better, but the 6 V cells seem very prone to dying early. Trojan batteries were robust in past decades, but seem exce

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low Voc for effective string?

2018-09-12 Thread Mac Lewis
Hi Bill, I agree with Allen. We get similar peak temps here and two 60 cell modules doesn't charge a 48V battery bank adequately. This effect would become worse over time with voltage degradation. I try to be at least 15% above highest expected battery voltage with Vmp of the strings. With 150V in