Re: Log files....

2000-05-25 Thread Victor R. Cardona
On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 09:44:45AM +0530, UK Jaiswal wrote: > Hello Friends, > > Could somebody pls tell me in detail which log files to check so that I > know if somebody had been trying to hack into my system and/or scanning > my ports using nmap etc.. > > Thankyou. > Uk /var/log/messages wil

Re-configuration and re-compilation (Former :How to mount Windows2000)

2000-05-25 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi, Thanks for your advice but problem still remains unsolved. - Original Message - From: "inside" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:26 PM Subject: Re: How to mount Windows2000 (OS/2, HPFS) > Under Red Hat you can add the module support on the kernel > source tree (with

Re: NT OS Loader + Linux = how?

2000-05-25 Thread Miroslav Skoric
Frank Carreiro wrote: > > Interesting... What version of Linux are you running? I recall reading > all the howto's and tried making it part of my MBR and using LILO to > boot up NT. It was a disaster :D Nothing worked (cept for the linux > piece). > It is RH 6.1 that I made it before startin

Re: NT OS Loader + Linux = how?

2000-05-25 Thread Miroslav Skoric
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Yes. Have you not seen my replies to your earlier letters on this, or > is it just that you can't make sense of them? :-). Maybe you are > frustrated with lilo and the initrd? OK. Shall we dispense with them? > Sorry for not answering earlier. I get lots of ema

Log files....

2000-05-25 Thread UK Jaiswal
Hello Friends, Could somebody pls tell me in detail which log files to check so that I know if somebody had been trying to hack into my system and/or scanning my ports using nmap etc.. Thankyou. Uk -- To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.

RE: sound for linux

2000-05-25 Thread vsnl
thanks! the oss worked. only if gnome sounds are to be enabled soundon has to be enabled before doing startx. thanks a lot again. try http://www.opensound.com and try using OSS It costs about $30 to register it, but you can try it, see if it works finding your card and you can always use the p

Help reconstructing raid

2000-05-25 Thread Syd Carter / Upper Level
I had raid up and running (ver 0.90) and then needed to replace one of the two hard drives. Now I cannot reconstruct the raid. There doesn't seem to be a command that provides for it. Apparently it is supposed to be part of the kernel. I have tried cloning the disk and then re-installing. A

Re: Problem with Gnome

2000-05-25 Thread John P. Verel
On 05/25/00, 08:17:04PM -0400, Michael McLeod wrote: > I tried your solution, I did find some old files and deleted as you said, but > darn it that didn't fix the problem. This problem is unique to root and no > other user (I only have 1) KDE as root works fine. So I assume it is > something wi

Re: named and logcheck questions

2000-05-25 Thread Hal Burgiss
On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:59:31AM +1000, Dan Horth wrote: > Hiya - two staged problem / question here... > > we use logcheck to monitor our logfiles and are getting a lot of > errors like this being reported: > > May 26 10:31:43 named[511]: bad referral (228.165.in-addr.arpa !< > 132.228.165.

Re: .iso file on loopback device - How?

2000-05-25 Thread Simons
I had mounted the zoot-6.2.iso by: mount /somewhere/zoot-6.2.iso /mnt/rh62 -o loop hope this help. - Original Message - From: "Bruce Bauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 2000¦~5¤ë26¤é AM 07:56 Subject: .iso file on loopback device - How? > I see during kernel confi

Re: bootable zip disks

2000-05-25 Thread Steve Borho
On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 06:49:59PM -0700, Richard Harvey Chapman wrote: > On Thu, 25 May 2000, Steve Borho wrote: > > > Check the ZIP-Install mini-howto > > It only addresses parallel port zip drives and since they can't be booted > directly, there is no mention of how to make a zip disk bootabl

Re: bootable zip disks

2000-05-25 Thread Richard Harvey Chapman
On Thu, 25 May 2000, Steve Borho wrote: > Check the ZIP-Install mini-howto It only addresses parallel port zip drives and since they can't be booted directly, there is no mention of how to make a zip disk bootable. R. -- To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subje

Re: Cyrus, Sasl, and PAM

2000-05-25 Thread Brian Tenerowicz
I tried this same package out a few months ago. I believe you need to change the permissions on "/etc/shadow" to allow read access for everyone. This is a major security risk and pretty much defeats the purpose of a shadow password system. Another possible option, that I have not tried, involve

Re: bootable zip disks

2000-05-25 Thread Steve Borho
On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 06:18:01PM -0700, Richard Harvey Chapman wrote: > 1) My bios (and old ones, too) always seem to detect the drive parameters > for an IDE Zip drive incorrectly. I think it's supposed to be > CHS = 96,64,32 and my bios (or linux) always finds it to be > CHS = 32,64,96. I'

RE: .iso file on loopback device - How?

2000-05-25 Thread Robert W. Metzger
Bruce, First, make sure you have the loopback module loaded, insmod loop, I believe... Then use the "option" flag in the mount command, for example: mount -t iso9660 -o loop That should do it! Cheers! Robert W. Metzger MCSE+I, A+, Network+, I-Net+, CCNA R&D Technologies Group, Inc.

bootable zip disks

2000-05-25 Thread Richard Harvey Chapman
1) My bios (and old ones, too) always seem to detect the drive parameters for an IDE Zip drive incorrectly. I think it's supposed to be CHS = 96,64,32 and my bios (or linux) always finds it to be CHS = 32,64,96. I've tried "Lilo: linux hdd=96,64,32 hdd=noprobe", but that doesn't seem to work.

Re: non root burning

2000-05-25 Thread Steve Borho
On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 05:00:25PM -0500, eric clover wrote: > im trying to burn cd's using gtoaster (gnome-toaster), after much chowning I > got all my cd > drives to work( 1 scsi cdr , 1 scsi cdrom & 1 ide cdrom ) > I can load files to be burnt , but now I can not get it to do the actual > burn.

RE: Procmail question

2000-05-25 Thread Mark Basil
You could also want to try this. :0 * $RECIP ?? ^^youmailbox@$DOMAIN { :0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] } Mark -Original Message- From: Edward Dekkers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Procmail question I would normal

named and logcheck questions

2000-05-25 Thread Dan Horth
Hiya - two staged problem / question here... we use logcheck to monitor our logfiles and are getting a lot of errors like this being reported: May 26 10:31:43 named[511]: bad referral (228.165.in-addr.arpa !< 132.228.165.IN-ADDR.ARPA) May 26 10:31:45 named[511]: bad referral (228.165.in-addr.a

Re: .iso file on loopback device - How?

2000-05-25 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
On Thu, 25 May 2000, Bruce Bauer wrote: > I see during kernel configuration that you can use the loopback device to mount an >iso image file into > the file system. I have looked through various pieces of documentation and tried >the following steps: > > losetup /dev/loop0 /file.iso > mount

Re: xntpd/ntpdate problem

2000-05-25 Thread Barnett Hsu
At 07:56 AM 5/24/2000 -0400, Pete Peterson wrote: >You would find it enlightening to look at the invocation of ntpdate in >/etc/rc.d/init.d/xntpd. They do: > /usr/sbin/ntpdate -s -b -p 8 -u `cat /etc/ntp/step-tickers` I checked my system, and /etc/ntp/step-tickers doesn't exist, even though

Re: Kernel recompilation (Former:-How to mount Windows2000)

2000-05-25 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi Matt and all people, Thanks for your valuable advice B.R. Stephen - Original Message - From: "Matt Housh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 5:39 AM Subject: Re: Kernel recompilation (Former:-How to mount Windows2000) > > Make[1]: as86: Command

Re: Route Problem

2000-05-25 Thread badger
Hello Stephen, Thursday, May 25, 2000, 9:43:20 AM, you wrote: SEH> well, it's more a nuisance than a problem. following is my netstat -rn: SEH> Kernel IP routing table SEH> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt SEH> Iface SEH> 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0

Re: non root burning

2000-05-25 Thread Adam Sleight
I've always had to log in via root and start gcombust ...otherwise it wouldn't burn. I understand you wish NOT to log in as rootgood luck cuz I haven't a clue. On Thu, 25 May 2000 17:00:25 -0500 "eric clover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: #im trying to burn cd's using gtoaster (gnome-toaster),

Re: Problem with Gnome

2000-05-25 Thread Michael McLeod
I tried your solution, I did find some old files and deleted as you said, but darn it that didn't fix the problem. This problem is unique to root and no other user (I only have 1) KDE as root works fine. So I assume it is something with gnome root. Any other ideas? This has happened before an

Re: PRoblems with the vpo3d

2000-05-25 Thread sixx
Hi Mauricio, >I set the virtual IPs , the SMTP is working fine, I can send messages, but >when i receive the poper say me that the user or the password is not >correct! > >That is, when i start the ipop3d before the vpop3d in the etc/inetd.conf >the poper >recognize only the non-virtual clients.

more disk errors... what does this entail?

2000-05-25 Thread Dan Horth
just saw these two errors in my log files... can someone enlighten me as to what may be going on here... these drives are two of the three that form our mission-critical file server raid-5 volume... should I be concerned? tia. dan. May 26 01:08:25 kernel: hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Bu

.iso file on loopback device - How?

2000-05-25 Thread Bruce Bauer
I see during kernel configuration that you can use the loopback device to mount an iso image file into the file system. I have looked through various pieces of documentation and tried the following steps: losetup /dev/loop0 /file.iso mount -t iso9660 /dev/loop0 /mnt The mount command returns

Re: kernel upgrades missing options

2000-05-25 Thread Victor R. Cardona
On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 09:45:40AM -0500, Nitebirdz<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also believe it is unfair to call Red Hat "the Microsoft of the Linux > world". They are an opensource company that has always bet on opensource, > at least to this date (that, of course, may change soon). Every si

Re: Ecommerce

2000-05-25 Thread Danny
There are so many tools around for you. such as phpshop.org (written in php3) think there is something called Ecard or Estore (something) and in www.freecode.com there are so many free shopping carts on the site. With an understanding of PERL and php3 is a matter of copy pasting modifying. On T

Re: help with compiling

2000-05-25 Thread Philippe Moutarlier
"eric clover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hello, > I have a few quick questions. > when someone does the actual make modules is it supposed to compile > all/every module that there is ?? > cause after I do a make mrproper then do my xconfig and start the kernel > compile with (and this line is

non root burning

2000-05-25 Thread eric clover
im trying to burn cd's using gtoaster (gnome-toaster), after much chowning I got all my cd drives to work( 1 scsi cdr , 1 scsi cdrom & 1 ide cdrom ) I can load files to be burnt , but now I can not get it to do the actual burn. I am getting permission errors. below are the errors. is there any fix

help with compiling

2000-05-25 Thread eric clover
hello, I have a few quick questions. when someone does the actual make modules is it supposed to compile all/every module that there is ?? cause after I do a make mrproper then do my xconfig and start the kernel compile with (and this line is really nice) : make dep clean modules modules_install

Re: Kernel recompilation (Former:-How to mount Windows2000)

2000-05-25 Thread Matt Housh
> Make[1]: as86: Command not found > Make[1]: *** [bbootsect.o] Error 127 > Make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-2.2.14/arch/i386/boot' > Make: *** [bzImage] Error 2 > > Kindly advise which file/files have to be installed to procure Command - > 'as86' and to eliminate "[bbootsect.o] Error 1

RE: email style hint

2000-05-25 Thread John H Darrah
On Fri, 26 May 2000, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Now, now, that's a bit unfair... it's actually much easier > to mark and delete text with Windows mailers than with > UNIX ones, generally speaking. SHIFT-DOWN ARROW etc. will > do it. I wish there was a similar key sequence in Pine. > Ctrl-K sort of w

RE: email style hint

2000-05-25 Thread Juha Saarinen
> %-> > You'd think everyone here grew up using Microsoft mailers. %-> %-> Actually, I'm beginning to think that that's the exact truth... :-} %-> Nonetheless, I don't think that's the explanation: After all, if you use %-> e.g. elm+vi or mutt+vi or similar mailers, your cursor ends up at the %->

RE: ICMP Port Number

2000-05-25 Thread Mobeen Azhar
ICMP does not use a TCP or UDP port number. ICMP is indicated by a bit in the packet type field - I think. --Moby > -Original Message- > From: Jake McHenry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1520 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: ICMP Port Numb

ICMP Port Number

2000-05-25 Thread Jake McHenry
All the responses are great, but I need to know the port number, because I'm blocking it in my Cisco Router, not a linux machine. Thanks. > > I've been getting the "Denial of Service" attack and want to find what > > port ICMP uses so I can block it in my router. I've looked all over the > > n

Kickstart

2000-05-25 Thread Kevin Wood
Try changing your partitons to match this in your ks.cfg file: clearpart --all part / --size 1024 part /usr --size 2048 part swap --size 512 part /home --size 1 --grow part /data --size 1 --grow --ondisk hdb Make sure that the last partition you use is set like the second to the bottom. The pr

RE: ICMP Port Number

2000-05-25 Thread redhat
Just drop this into ipchains and that should do ya. # ICMP FIRST ipchains -A input -p icmp -j ACCEPT -s $ETH0NET/$ETH0NETMASK -i eth0 -d 0.0.0.0/0 ipchains -A input -p icmp -j DENY -s 0.0.0.0/0 -i eth0 -d 0.0.0.0/0 > -Original Message- > From: Jake McHenry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

ICMP Port Number

2000-05-25 Thread Jake McHenry
I've been getting the "Denial of Service" attack and want to find what port ICMP uses so I can block it in my router. I've looked all over the net at the rfc's and they don't tell me anything about the specific port number. Thanks guys. Jake McHenry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe: mail [E

Cyrus, Sasl, and PAM

2000-05-25 Thread Mobeen Azhar
Hello all, I installed the Cyrus mail package using the cyrus-imapd-1.6.19-2 RPM. I used the source RPM and compiled it myself. The build and installation went fine. I also installed Cyrus SASL via the cyrus-sasl-1.5.11-2 RPM. Again I used the source RPM and the build and installation went fin

NFS Question -FIXED!

2000-05-25 Thread Kevin Wood
It would appear that I needed to move the NFS daemon from S60nfs to S20nfs. For some reason with it loading sooner, it fixed the problem. Thought someone might be interested in what I found. Thanks -- Kevin Wood DCG Computers, Inc./Atipa Linux Solutions 850 East Industrial Park Drive Suite 8 Man

AAHHHH boot lock up

2000-05-25 Thread Erik de Groot
Hi, I am not sure what I did but for some reason my RH 6.1 locks up on bootup. It loads the kernel up fine and gets down to mounting the main root partition (hda5 in my case). This is after it checks it because I have had to manually shutdown. So I get a "PASSED" on that then I get an "OK" on r

ipsec client for linux

2000-05-25 Thread Adam Sleight
Does an vpn ipsec client (free/commercial) exist for Linux? -- To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.

Re: xwindows slow in general or...?

2000-05-25 Thread Adam Sleight
here is hp's answer to i386 compared to i586 http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/Gnome/263/25/3784932/ On Thu, 25 May 2000 11:25:53 -0400 Jeff Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: #You may be able to speed it up a bit by recompiling the rpms or whatever to #your processor speed. I think they general

NFS Question

2000-05-25 Thread Kevin Wood
Hey there, got a question for you all: I have setup a cluster running RH 6.2. Each system mounts /home from the server. I have this added into the /etc/fstab as such: 192.168.0.250:/home/homedefaults1 1 I also have /home exported on the server as /home (rw,insecure,no_root_squash)

Route Problem

2000-05-25 Thread Stephen E. Hargrove
well, it's more a nuisance than a problem. following is my netstat -rn: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 0 0 eth0 192.168.1.100.0.0.0 255.255.255

Legacy Systems (was: glibc Vs. LinuxThreads)

2000-05-25 Thread Thomas Ribbrock
On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 11:53:04AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I am curious when I read these kinds of messages. "I've got this really > old thing, that I want to use with the latest whatever. But I don't want > to upgrade my old thing, just screw on some sort of adapter so it will work

Re: glibc Vs. LinuxThreads

2000-05-25 Thread tcurl
I am curious when I read these kinds of messages. "I've got this really old thing, that I want to use with the latest whatever. But I don't want to upgrade my old thing, just screw on some sort of adapter so it will work with the new gadget." And I always wonder, why? A full system upgrade is

Difference

2000-05-25 Thread Mark Lo
Hi, I would like to know the different between building apache+SSL from sources and building apache+SSL using apache-mod ssl-1.3.12.2.6.4-0.6.0.i686.rpm ??? Both works, and rpm is easier. Also, there is a php4.rpm which works with apache+SSL. My question is that should I use rpm to build my

Re: glibc Vs. LinuxThreads

2000-05-25 Thread Nitebirdz<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, 22 May 2000, Adv. Systems Design wrote: > Hi: > > I have a redhat 4.2 system and don't really want to > upgrade to 6.2 if I can help it, but wish to install > MySQL (latest, which reportedly requires Linux 2.0+ > with LinuxThreads 0.7.1 or glibc 2.0.7). Does anybody > know if I can just

RE: xwindows slow in general or...?

2000-05-25 Thread Jeff Graves
You may be able to speed it up a bit by recompiling the rpms or whatever to your processor speed. I think they generally come compiled for a 386 and if you don't comile them you really won't get the true performance. -Original Message- From: Stephen King [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

RE: xcdroast 0.96ex2-4

2000-05-25 Thread Jeff Graves
I thought i read somewhere that the new version of XCDRoast only supports scsi devices. -Original Message- From: Jurgen Weinert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:xcdroast 0.96ex2-4 I'm using RedHat 6.2 and xcdroas

Re: kernel upgrades missing options

2000-05-25 Thread Nitebirdz<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, 22 May 2000, Prentice wrote: > Apparently, Red Hat likes to remove things, too. I've been having the > damnedest time trying to install RH 6.2 on Dell Pricision workstations that > have Ultra66 controllers. The RH install fails even though the kernel should > support Ultra66 disk controll

Re: Replacing MS/NT4 servers with Linux

2000-05-25 Thread Nitebirdz<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sun, 21 May 2000, Rodrigo Moya wrote: > Enrico Payne wrote: > > > > Hi, I know I am possibly opening a can of worms, but could anyone give me > > some ideas/info/hints/pros/cons etc. for converting my NT4 file and print > > servers to Linux. I would still like to have my Win9x clients have ac

Re: world's first write-only language != FORTH

2000-05-25 Thread Bruce A. Mallett
Yes indeed, good-ole teco. My left pinky still aches when I think about it. - Bruce Pete Peterson wrote: > Nope, Forth was definitely not the first. There used to be a text editor > called TECO, originally developed on the DEC PDP-1 computer. You could > write TECO macros (really prog

Re: Installation question when not on a network

2000-05-25 Thread Rick Forrister
IIRC, Gary, the answer is as simple as "Just Say NO!" - when asked about configuring your network. If your connection is only going to be via dialup, use the dialup connection tool later, and leave then network alone during the install. Worst case, when dealing with a card in any system, of co

Re: Decoder ring for log file?

2000-05-25 Thread redhat
On 22-May-2000 Steve Borho wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 01:12:34PM -0700, Sam Bayne wrote: >> I=57684 -- I don't know. > > If I had to guess, I would say this was the packet id. > >> F=0x -- I don't know. (Fragment?) > > and this is the fragment offset > >> T=128 (#7)

Installation question when not on a network

2000-05-25 Thread Gary Nielson
Hi, This is probably a dumb question, but I've installed various versions of RedHat in the past and am getting ready to install it again. The installation process always assumes I have a network card and that I am going to be on a network. Well, I am going to be installing on a PC that does have

Re: email style hint

2000-05-25 Thread Glen Lee Edwards
I use Pine - fairly new to Linux, and just found out after 1 plus year with Linux that you can delete whole lines with CRTL-k. I was deleting the characters 1 letter at a time, meaning long letters were left unedited because my finger wore out before I'd finish the edit. >Nonetheless, I don't th

Re: lilo problem (no. of cylinders > 1023)

2000-05-25 Thread Ric Moore
Bret Hughes wrote: > > Didn't someone say That the new version of lilo is out and now supports > big disks? > > I might have dreamt it. > It's true!! But it doesn't overcome BIOs limits on the really big drives... it cures the 1024 limit. Ric -- : Ric "Wayward" Moore : [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ecommerce

2000-05-25 Thread Rodrigo Moya
Scott Skrogstad wrote: > > I am not new Linux but I would like to create a Ecommerce site. I need to > know all the things that I am going to need to get it off the ground. Is > there a how to or a site that has a step by step plan out there? > You've got minivend (http://www.minivend.com/), w

Ecommerce

2000-05-25 Thread Scott Skrogstad
I am not new Linux but I would like to create a Ecommerce site. I need to know all the things that I am going to need to get it off the ground. Is there a how to or a site that has a step by step plan out there? Scott Skrogstad Computer Integration Inc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 800-522-3475 Phone --

Kernel recompilation (Former:-How to mount Windows2000)

2000-05-25 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi, all people, - Original Message - From: "Florin Andrei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 6:04 PM Subject: Re: How to mount Windows2000 (OS/2, HPFS) > It appears that you don't have NTFS support in your kernel. Many Linux > distributions (Red Hat

Re: fetchmail

2000-05-25 Thread Cokey de Percin
"Anthony E. Greene" wrote: > > Cokey de Percin wrote: > > Another way is to use just the root .fetchmailrc like this: > [snip] > > Just stack'em up. I've got 5 right now and it works just fine. Much easier > > to administer > > I thought of that, I just think it's cleaner to keep user sett

Re: Find duplicat files

2000-05-25 Thread John Horne
On 25-May-00 at 03:28:09 Hal Burgiss wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 11:07:33PM -0400, erik wrote: >> i was wondering if anyone knew of a command or a script that would >> find with the same name on my computer. i know I coud issue a >> 'find * | grep ' but I need to know what is. what >> I wa

Re: [OT] email style hint

2000-05-25 Thread fred smith
On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 11:13:41PM -0700, Joe Brenner wrote: > > Reply *below* the quotation (and trim the excess, there's no > need to quote everything). That way after several exchanges > it will read like a dialog. > > You'd think everyone here grew up using Microsoft mailers. Most of 'em

Re: email style hint

2000-05-25 Thread Thomas Ribbrock
On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 11:13:41PM -0700, Joe Brenner wrote: [...] > > You'd think everyone here grew up using Microsoft mailers. Actually, I'm beginning to think that that's the exact truth... :-} Nonetheless, I don't think that's the explanation: After all, if you use e.g. elm+vi or mutt+vi o