Re: Question about the President's executive order on sexual orientation discrimination

2014-07-23 Thread Alan Brownstein
It's more than a bit outdated, but I did write an article a few years ago trying to answer the specific question Eugene asks in his post. See Gays, Jews, and Other strangers in a Strange Land. It is about the model or analogy to use in discussing claims for accommodation for religious objectors

RE: Town of Greece and coercion

2014-07-07 Thread Alan Brownstein
As Marty notes, this is a different issue, although it is still an important one. I take Eugene’s most recent post to focus not on whether audience members are being coerced, but whether they are coerced into engaging in religious exercise. There are situations where one stands for secular reas

RE: On a different strand of the seamless web

2014-07-07 Thread Alan Brownstein
us symbol that is not ours diminishes our dignity, and so I think we should stay well clear of the concept of "dignitary rights." Jon On 2014-07-07 12:55, Alan Brownstein wrote: > I agree with most of what Marty says here. Commercial corporations do

RE: On a different strand of the seamless web

2014-07-07 Thread Alan Brownstein
the thread) why many amicus groups could both oppose actual legal commands as in Hobby Lobby, but not the potential subtle pressure present in Town of Greece. Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu> [mailto:religionlaw-boun..

RE: On a different strand of the seamless web

2014-07-07 Thread Alan Brownstein
I take it that the authors of those briefs saw a law requiring someone to do something that they thought was sinful as different from a practice under which people end up hearing things from the government that they might find offensive or alienating. Eugene Fr

RE: On a different strand of the seamless web

2014-07-07 Thread Alan Brownstein
I agree with most of what Marty says here. Commercial corporations do not have dignitary rights such as the right to exercise religion. Human persons have these rights and one can argue as Alito often but not always does that they should not be held to have waived those rights because they elect

RE: Hobby Lobby: Narrow Holding but Potentially Momentous Nonetheless?

2014-07-06 Thread Alan Brownstein
A few quick thoughts on Marty's second question. At least some of us saw value in religious liberty legislation employing an intermediate level scrutiny standard of review rather than strict scrutiny years ago. I worked with a group trying to get a state religious land use bill adopted in Califo

RE: On a different strand of the seamless web

2014-07-06 Thread Alan Brownstein
When people are asking government officials to exercise their discretion in a way that seriously impacts their important interests in a courtroom, at an administrative proceeding, in a government bureaucrat's office, in a classroom , or at the town hall meeting in a small town, I think it is int

RE: On a different strand of the seamless web

2014-07-06 Thread Alan Brownstein
I think Chip"s and Doug's key points in their posts are worth emphasizing. Many briefs supporting the town of Greece and the Court's opinion in that case treated the religious liberty arguments of plaintiffs with complete distain. The authors of many of those briefs and the same justices who wro

RE: Untangling the confusion of the Wheaton College order

2014-07-04 Thread Alan Brownstein
Very interesting and helpful post, Marty. I found one point particularly intriguing. Are you suggesting that RFRA authorizes the expenditure of government funds to avoid substantially burdening religious liberty without any further authorization from Congress? Alan __

RE: Underinclusion Arguments Going Forward [Was "Hobby Lobby Question"]

2014-07-04 Thread Alan Brownstein
I wonder if an implicit part of the Court's concern about underinclusion in O Centro is that there are constitutional concerns about religious equality and religious favoritism if the government grants an accommodation for one faith but denies it to another, arguably similarly situated, faith. O

RE: Hobby Lobby and discrimination against LGBT persons or couples

2014-07-02 Thread Alan Brownstein
Chip, This link doesn’t work (at least it doesn’t work on my computer.) Is there another way to access your post. I would like to read it. Alan From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Ira Lupu Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 11:00 AM To:

RE: Hobby Lobby Question

2014-07-01 Thread Alan Brownstein
Eugene read my mind and wrote exactly what I was going to write. Maybe gross underinclusion isn't entirely irrelevant, but standing alone it has little bearing on whether the state's interest is compelling or not for religious liberty exemption purposes. Alan

RE: Hobby Lobby Question

2014-07-01 Thread Alan Brownstein
I think Steve is right that in the there is a difference between challenging the legitimacy or religiosity of plaintiffs beliefs and holding that as a legal matter at some point we will draw the line on extending the protection provided to beliefs that are grounded in complicity with other peopl

RE: Hobby Lobby Question

2014-06-30 Thread Alan Brownstein
completely clear after Hobby Lobby, how this case should come out? Alan Alan Brownstein Professor of Law UC Davis School of Law From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Douglas Laycock Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 12:29 PM To: 'Law &

RE: Two more Hobby Lobby posts

2014-06-15 Thread Alan Brownstein
icity with employees' use of contraception, then it's not obvious to me why the state should afford them an exemption that will redound to the significant detriment of their employees. On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Alan Brownstein mailto:aebrownst...@ucdavis.edu>> wrote: One issue

RE: Two more Hobby Lobby posts

2014-06-15 Thread Alan Brownstein
ions of the Justices -- without regard to whether that imaginary world bears any resemblance to the world in which people actually live, make business decision, and exercise religion. Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...

RE: "Divisiveness"

2014-06-10 Thread Alan Brownstein
@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw- > boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 7:37 PM > To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics > Subject: RE: "Divisiveness" > > If divisive means that people will be upset by a subst

RE: Hobby Lobby/Ellen Katz

2014-06-08 Thread Alan Brownstein
And, of course, the government could pick up the additional costs to the insurer. That would spread the costs of protecting religious liberty so that it would not fall exclusively (and heavily) on the employees of religiously exempt employers. Alan From

RE: "Divisiveness"

2014-06-08 Thread Alan Brownstein
the scope of political decision-making by subjecting it to constitutional constraints avoided (or at least mitigated) these kinds of political/religious divisions. There is probably a better term for this concern than divisiveness. Alan Brownstein

My apologies

2014-05-12 Thread Alan Brownstein
Whoops. My apologies to the list. I intended the prior e-mail to go to Paul directly, not to the list. From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:58 AM To: Paul Finkelman; Law & Religion is

RE: case book needed

2014-05-12 Thread Alan Brownstein
ingerlands, NY 12159 ____ From: Alan Brownstein mailto:aebrownst...@ucdavis.edu>> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 12:37 PM Subject: RE: case book needed It is intended more as

RE: case book needed

2014-05-12 Thread Alan Brownstein
It is intended more as a supplement to a domestic law course rather than the text for a comparative law course, but Leslie Jacobs and I co-authored Global Issues in Freedom of Speech and Religion in 2009. About 160 pages are law and religion materials. West is the publisher. Alan Brownstein

RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Alan Brownstein
I think Marty's second point below about the Court's somewhat positive reception to the least restrictive means argument is important because it provides a basis for resolving this case in Hobby Lobby's favor that is relatively limited in its application. Clement argues that this is a unique ca

RE: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Alan Brownstein
My dad had a hardware/housewares store in the Bronx. He was not an observant Jew. Everyone was closed on Sunday. He was open on Saturday. He told me he did half of the week's business on Saturday and that it was impossible to be in business and be closed both days. Alan _

RE: "The Possibility of a Narrow and Limited Opinion" in Hobby Lobby's Favor

2014-03-15 Thread Alan Brownstein
Another narrow and limited opinion ruling in favor of Hobby Lobby might describe this case as a relatively unique controversy in which the religious claimant is required to supply an intangible, fungible good (insurance coverage) that can be efficiently supplied by the public sector with minimal

RE: letter opposing Mississippi RFRA

2014-03-11 Thread Alan Brownstein
back to these other kinds of claims. Best, Chris ____ From: "Alan Brownstein" To: "Law & Religion issues for Law Academics" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:47:04 PM Subject: RE: letter opposing Mississippi RFRA Well, of course, one o

RE: letter opposing Mississippi RFRA

2014-03-11 Thread Alan Brownstein
Well, of course, one of the reasons that RFRA was originally supported by a broad coalition and RLUIPA received broad support as well was that not everyone thought that religious accommodations on a case-by-case basis worked reasonably well. Obtaining accommodations politically case-by-case req

RE: From the list custodian

2014-03-01 Thread Alan Brownstein
Thanks, Eugene! I think your advice is well taken. I certainly intend to spend more time breathing deeply over the next few days since I don't think I can contribute anything thoughtful or useful to the list given the current tenor of the discussion. Alan Fro

RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Alan Brownstein
Let me try to respond to Chip's post. He asks two basic questions. (1) Why should we be any more willing to accommodate religious objectors to same-sex marriage than we are willing to accommodate religious objectors to inter-racial marriages. (Or more broadly why accommodate discrimination again

RE: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Alan Brownstein
Chip, I think your post about bigotry v. sincere religious beliefs does raise core issues in a thoughtful way and I intend to respond. But other commitments may delay my doing so for a while. I don't want you to think that your post doesn't merit a response - it does - or that other list member

RE: Subject: Re: Kansas/Arizona statutes protecting for-profit businesses

2014-02-26 Thread Alan Brownstein
List members who have not had the chance to read Tom and Doug’s brief in Windsor/Perry should do so. It is a powerful statement in support of same-sex couples right to marry while urging some accommodation of religious objectors who consider same-sex marriage to be unacceptable for religious rea

RE: Subject: Re: Kansas/Arizona statutes protecting for-profit businesses

2014-02-26 Thread Alan Brownstein
At least under the New Mexico Supreme Court’s analysis in Elane Photography, I believe the discrimination claim would be rejected. From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marc Stern Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 4:20 PM To: religionl

RE: Kansas/Arizona statutes

2014-02-26 Thread Alan Brownstein
y fight in the civil rights movement. (Not endorsing these viewpoints, just observing them) -Kevin Chen, Esq. On Feb 26, 2014 1:03 PM, "Alan Brownstein" mailto:aebrownst...@ucdavis.edu>> wrote: I have been struck by the intensity of the blowback against both bills, but particular

RE: Subject: Re: Kansas/Arizona statutes protecting for-profit businesses

2014-02-26 Thread Alan Brownstein
I have been struck by the intensity of the blowback against both bills, but particularly the reaction to the Arizona bill. I think there are several possible rationales for the power of the reaction. The breadth of the bill is one factor. Another factor is that the business community is increas

RE: It must not be a compelling interest since there are so many "exceptions"

2014-02-21 Thread Alan Brownstein
alid RFRA claim does not require accepting Derek's argument below. Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marty Lederman Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:20 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics S

RE: recommended Hobby Lobby posts

2014-02-20 Thread Alan Brownstein
n employees and employers re: how much cost each can impose on the other. (Alan, you might prefer the Title VII standard for religious accommodation to be more generous to employees than "de minimis." But that's not the law.) Chip On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Alan Brownstei

RE: recommended Hobby Lobby posts

2014-02-20 Thread Alan Brownstein
With regard to Jim's post (and Chip and Bob's piece), I appreciate the argument that in employment cases RFRA should be interpreted the same way that Title VII has been interpreted --- essentially denying all RFRA claims that would impose more than de minimis costs on third parties or the publ

RE: On implausible burdens

2014-02-16 Thread Alan Brownstein
ND's case) imposes an unnecessary and substantial burden on religious exercise within the meaning of RFRA (I think the RFRA claims are strong) makes me think that the following blog post, by our colleague Alan Brownstein, is well worth a read and reflection: http://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com

RE: Notre Dame-- where's the complicit "participation"? Sincerity

2014-02-16 Thread Alan Brownstein
I thought there was a great deal of merit in Mark Scarberry's earlier post and I appreciate the distinctions that Marty draws between lack of sincerity and lack of depth and substantiality of religious belief. I have three thoughts. First, since I know very little about Catholic theology or th

RE: Posner on oral advocacy in religion caseesri

2014-02-14 Thread Alan Brownstein
I think Marty and I are on the same page with point 4. below. If the ACA as originally enacted explicitly carved out an exemption for religious employers so that their employees would not receive an insurance benefit that everyone else received for free (regardless of what that benefit might be)

RE: Posner on oral advocacy in religion caseesri

2014-02-14 Thread Alan Brownstein
While I am sympathetic to several of the arguments raised on Hobby Lobby's (and Notre Dame's) behalf in these various cases, the argument that people are not burdened in a legally cognizable way if they lose benefits to which they would otherwise be entitled is not persuasive to me. As a general

RE: Can it really be unconstitutional for Congress to create statutes that borrow constitutional law doctrines?

2013-12-30 Thread Alan Brownstein
If I remember correctly (and I might not), California has at least a couple of statutes that require state courts to apply rigorous free speech doctrine in circumstances where the doctrine would not apply under the Court's decisions. One law prohibits private colleges (and perhaps high schools)

RE: courts and lawmaking

2013-12-30 Thread Alan Brownstein
odations or the unequal treatment of different faiths. I do not believe that the Constitution requires such a result. Alan Brownstein Happy New Year to all. (And if you are going the AALS convention, you might consider attending the Law and Religion section program on Complicity with Evil on Saturda

RE: Two kinds of religious exemption arguments

2013-12-19 Thread Alan Brownstein
stipulation, Colorado did. sandy -Original Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:19 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Two kinds of re

RE: Two kinds of religious exemption arguments

2013-12-18 Thread Alan Brownstein
ligionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:18 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Two kinds of religious exemption arguments Eugene writes, “Now i

RE: Are large employers really better off dropping health insurance?

2013-12-18 Thread Alan Brownstein
David's correct that there may be a discrepancy here --- and the greater the discrepancy the greater the cost to government and the public of providing the accommodation. I think the discrepancy is likely to be smaller rather than larger in cases involving government mandates requiring third pa

RE: Two kinds of religious exemption arguments

2013-12-18 Thread Alan Brownstein
Eugene writes, "Now it seems to me -- though of course others disagree -- that the normative case for a right to impose costs on others through conduct simply because you think God requires that conduct is not an appealing case. Your God is your God, not mine; why should I lose s

RE: Are large employers really better off dropping health insurance?

2013-12-18 Thread Alan Brownstein
Rick asks an important question. We can step back from the constraints of the current litigation and think about how this issue should be resolved on a clean slate, (This analysis also requires ignoring the polarized and dysfunctional governments that exist at the national level and in many stat

RE: Hobby Lobby posts

2013-12-16 Thread Alan Brownstein
ry service. But those questions do not undercut the foundation of his argument. Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 12:03 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academi

RE: Satanists want statue beside Ten Commandments monument at Oklahoma Legislature

2013-12-13 Thread Alan Brownstein
Wow! Allowing local groups with longstanding ties to the community preferential access to non-public forums (or denying access or providing less favorable access to outside groups or local groups without longstanding ties to the community.) What a great way to mask viewpoint discrimination and n

RE: Comparing religious exemptions and free speech

2013-12-04 Thread Alan Brownstein
to:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:35 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties Much of free speech law involves protecting speech that burdens third par

RE: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties

2013-12-04 Thread Alan Brownstein
Much of free speech law involves protecting speech that burdens third parties; for example, the victims of hate speech suffer emotional distress as do the mourners at funerals tormented by the Westboro Church, and speech that does not quite violate Brandenburg can incite violence. Further, the c

RE: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties

2013-12-04 Thread Alan Brownstein
I wonder if one factor that distinguishes the clergy-penitent privilege from some other accommodations of religion that go too far and violate the Establishment Clause is that the burden created by this accommodation will be shared by persons who are of the same faith as the penitent and the mem

RE: RFRA, the Establishment Clause, and saving constructions

2013-12-03 Thread Alan Brownstein
Marty's post focuses the discussion particularly well here. However, if we construe RFRA to provide that avoiding significant third-party harms is a compelling state interest, we are still left with the least restrictive means part of rigorous review. How does the least restrictive means analysi

RE: The Establishment Clause, burden on others, the employer mandate, and the draft

2013-12-02 Thread Alan Brownstein
Micah, I guess the question for me is whether the fact that the government has not offered to provide coverage to the employees of exempt organizations constrains permissive accommodations under a statute like RFRA. If the provision of coverage to the employees of exempt organizations is a less

RE: The Establishment Clause, burden on others, the employer mandate, and the draft

2013-12-02 Thread Alan Brownstein
Micah, if the issue is diffusing the burden so that it doesn't fall on a limited class of identifiable individuals, why isn't that problem solved by the government taking over the task of providing insurance coverage for the employees of exempt organizations. Isn't the government a sufficiently

RE: Response to Tom Berg (and others)

2013-12-01 Thread Alan Brownstein
Thanks for the kind comment, Nelson. While the contraceptive coverage in this case may not cost the employer anything, and the Court could limit its holding in this case to those particular facts, I think there is a somewhat broader, but still fairly limited, way to conceptualize this case. Here

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-27 Thread Alan Brownstein
did not call on courts to “take adequate account of the burden.” Eugene Alan Brownstein writes: Eugene, are you arguing that an exemption that effectively denies a class of individuals a government-mandated benefit that there are otherwise entitled to receive can never violate

RE: Response to Tom Berg (and others)

2013-11-27 Thread Alan Brownstein
A thoughtful response, Nelson and Micah, to an equally thoughtful post, Tom. So here are my questions, Nelson (and Micah and Marci etc.) Let's assume the cost of medical contraceptive coverage is $300 per year (a totally made up number). 1. If a religious employer (individual or corporation)

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Alan Brownstein
The answer has to lie somewhere in between these two stark alternatives, doesn't it? It can't be that the cost to the government (the public) in mitigating or avoiding the harm caused by granting an exemption can never be high enough to be compelling. But it also can't (or shouldn't) be that any

RE: Rights of corporations and RFRAs

2013-11-26 Thread Alan Brownstein
I think there is considerable force to Eugene's argument about closely held corporations (although I'm not sure if the size of the enterprise needs to be taken into account too -- I'm still thinking about that.) Do I take it from your argument that you believe a publicly traded corporation would

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Alan Brownstein
they go too far. Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:52 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Contraception Mandate I don’t

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Alan Brownstein
ptive coverage toward some other government identified public good? I am inclined to agree with Tom that there are important arguments on both sides of this case. Alan Brownstein -Original Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Be

RE: A right not to be compelled to create expression?

2013-08-26 Thread Alan Brownstein
itary interests, but also because it tells us something about the impact of extending free speech protection to these individuals' activities. Alan Brownstein UC Davis School of Law From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of James Oleske

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-17 Thread Alan Brownstein
ubstantial burden on individuals who for religious reasons do not eat pork -- even though I could just refuse to use the vouchers. I'm not sure that my hypo can be reasonably analogized to the ACA, but if it can, then I think the substantial burden analysis might be different.

RE: The Hobby Lobby Case: Four Thoughts

2013-07-11 Thread Alan Brownstein
this free speech conundrum might be relevant to the contraceptive mandate cases, but these posts reminded me of the issue. Any thoughts, James? Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of James Oleske Sent: Thursday, Ju

RE: Injunction barring display of "gruesome images" of aborted fetuses outside a church

2013-05-14 Thread Alan Brownstein
Interesting indeed. I've given some thought to the question of whether courts should distinguish two cases. 1. Speakers target young children with messages (words or images) arguably relating to matters of public concern that the speaker understands will cause the child audience significant emot

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate--interpreting "substantial burden"

2012-10-03 Thread Alan Brownstein
To follow up on Doug's point, in some cases whether a religious person is relieved of an obligation because of duress might depend on the kind and magnitude of the duress. Obligations may be excused if compliance places the individual's life at risk, for example. Under Marty's analysis, would th

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate--interpreting "substantial burden"

2012-10-03 Thread Alan Brownstein
A couple of quick thoughts regarding your points, Chris. 1. If we are talking about existing laws such as RFRA or other laws that require strict scrutiny review, there may be a dilution problem (although like you I have seen strict scrutiny diluted in state RFRA cases and in RLUIPA cases

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate--interpreting "substantial burden"

2012-10-02 Thread Alan Brownstein
I admire the way that Marc addresses this issue. Very thoughtful post. There are no easy answers here, as Marc recognizes. Many religious obligations involve material sacrifices by believers. What material loss do I incur if the government forces me work on Yom Kippur? It can't mean that this

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate--interpreting "substantial burden"

2012-10-02 Thread Alan Brownstein
I think Marty's point about alternative payments in lieu of purchasing insurance with the required coverage is an important one. I don't know how this alternative is structured or characterized in the challenged regulations. But as an abstract matter when we are talking about regulations that re

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate--interpreting "substantial burden"

2012-10-01 Thread Alan Brownstein
Thanks for your post, Marty. Rick, of course, will have to speak for himself. But I don't believe that the independent choice of parents as to how they will spend education vouchers should end the Establishment Clause inquiry. And I also believe that the government's use of taxes to engage in ac

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate

2012-09-30 Thread Alan Brownstein
Marci, Would you object if the government created an exemption package that did three things. It exempted the religious employer from a regulation requiring employers to pay for health insurance that covered blood transfusions. It provided insurance coverage for employees working for exempt re

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate

2012-09-30 Thread Alan Brownstein
Steve's post makes it clear where some of the areas of disagreement are on this issue. If I understand his argument correctly, Steve believes there is a difference between stopping a religious person from doing something his religion requires him to do and requiring a religious person to do som

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate

2012-09-30 Thread Alan Brownstein
s identified is too rigorous and confining and will not allow the kind of contextual balancing that some cases deserve. If I had my druthers, I would give up strict scrutiny in return for a more expansive understanding of what constitutes a substantial burden.

RE: Reaasonable acccommodations and Observant Sabbatarians

2012-07-26 Thread Alan Brownstein
third parties suggests that this is a problematic construction of Title VII. Alan Brownstein -Original Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Masinter Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:40 AM To: religionlaw@lists.ucl

RE: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-07 Thread Alan Brownstein
Chris, I think your answer goes beyond Marty's point. There is a difference between experiencing regret and being a member of a minority faith. If Jews and Muslims who circumcise their infant sons make up 2% of the population in a country, the rest of the population may think this practice is od

RE: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-05 Thread Alan Brownstein
I agree with most of what Chip says about hybrid rights and religious accommodation of rights protected activity. As a general principle, religious people should not receive preferential accommodations when exercising fundamental rights such as freedom of speech, or voting, or the right to marry

RE: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-05 Thread Alan Brownstein
If we could categorize all state action into these three categories, life would be a lot easier. But the parameters of case 2 are incredibly unclear as to what constitutes due care regarding the risk of harm. Say a state enacts a law prohibiting adults from providing minors alcoholic beverages.

RE: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-05 Thread Alan Brownstein
I thought we were long past the argument that the only basis for protecting religious liberty was that the state had a favorable perspective on the religious belief and practice at issue -- whether it is saving a child's soul through baptism or fulfilling the obligation to circumcise an 8 day ol

RE: What parents may or may not do with regard to their children

2012-07-01 Thread Alan Brownstein
Fair question, Eugene. I recognize that the state does intervene to protect children from some parental decisions that cause them physical or psychological harm or risk causing them physical or psychological harm. But I think the list of harm causing or potentially harm causing decisions which t

RE: German circumcision decision

2012-07-01 Thread Alan Brownstein
I agree with almost of all of Marty's thoughtful post -- except that I do not see this as a difficult case. When an attempt was made to place this issue on the ballot in San Francisco, some people argued medical and health concerns (although as Marty and Paul point out, the evidence here is inde

RE: Providing public school credits for release-time religious classes

2012-06-30 Thread Alan Brownstein
I agree with Eugene's concern about discrimination and the concern of other list members about release time programs that subject non-participants to dead time at public school. My daughter experienced the latter when she attended public school in Nova Scotia. There was no release time program o

RE: Strict scrutiny, from Sherbert/Yoder to RFRA

2012-06-17 Thread Alan Brownstein
n whatever the statute says. Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Christopher Lund [l...@wayne.edu] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 1:36 PM To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academ

RE: Religious exemptions in ND

2012-06-14 Thread Alan Brownstein
Very well stated, Eugene. My compliments. Alan From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:24 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subj

RE: Minister convicted for teaching parishioners "to punish children by hitting them on the bare buttocks with wooden dowels"

2012-05-17 Thread Alan Brownstein
burg exception has been seen as so narrow. Am I mistaken on that? Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:40 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subjec

RE: Minister convicted for teaching parishioners "to punish children by hitting them on the bare buttocks with wooden dowels"

2012-05-15 Thread Alan Brownstein
general propriety of illegal conduct can be criminalized, so long as the illegal conduct would take place relatively often? Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 4:53 PM To:

RE: Minister convicted for teaching parishioners "to punish children by hitting them on the bare buttocks with wooden dowels"

2012-05-14 Thread Alan Brownstein
The news story doesn't give us a lot of detail as to exactly what the pastor said in this case nor does it tell us much about his parishioners. But if the pastor's instructions to his parishioners are to do something unlawful if a certain pre-condition is satisfied and the pre-condition is suffi

RE: Mothers leaving ultra-religious groups, and religious upbringing as a factor in custody disputes

2012-04-23 Thread Alan Brownstein
would prefer to avoid whichever rule we accept. Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:40 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Mothers leaving ultra-

RE: Requirement that cabbies transport alcohol = "tiny burden"?

2012-03-06 Thread Alan Brownstein
In my judgment, Balkanization is much more likely to occur when religious minorities are told that the only way that the can obtain accommodations of their religious practices is by living in a community in which there are enough members of their faith to exercise significant political power. R

RE: "Religious liberty" in demands that others change their behavior to follow one's religious beliefs

2012-03-06 Thread Alan Brownstein
Eugene, I'm not sure I understand why the motive or purpose of the actor controls whether the result of the actor's conduct should be viewed as a burden on religious liberty or not. I might assign much less weight to the discriminating actor's interest and consider his conduct more morally repr

RE: Exemptions and accommodations

2012-03-06 Thread Alan Brownstein
Doug's distinction between exemptions and accommodations is helpful, but the cause of the problem isn't limited to free exercise cases. If we are talking about freedom of speech, for example, many people would describe the decision of a bookstore to reject a request to carry particular books in

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Alan Brownstein
itality or kindness or application of the Golden Rule or some such. But I think that talk of "liberty" here is not very helpful. Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein [aebrown

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Alan Brownstein
he exclusion and isolation of religious minorities, we should take accommodation problems seriously -- although that does not mean that the accommodation will always be granted. Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@list

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-03 Thread Alan Brownstein
v. Bd. Of Educ., 334 Or. 487 (2008) Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Douglas Laycock Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:48 AM To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics' Subject: Basketball tour

RE: Contraceptives and gender discrimination

2012-02-16 Thread Alan Brownstein
s share of the premium, which I don't believe would be compelled by federal law, in any event) at all -- not worth the dime, so to speak. On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Alan Brownstein mailto:aebrownst...@ucdavis.edu>> wrote: I have to admit that as long as we are talking about priva

RE: contraceptives and RFRA

2012-02-15 Thread Alan Brownstein
nscription (although it is clearly not a complete quid quo pro.) If the secular value of the exemption has to be reallocated to other public goods, that would discourage sham exemptions in many cases. Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.uc

RE: FW: RFRA substantial burden analysis

2012-02-15 Thread Alan Brownstein
s unworthy of recognition substantially reduces the state's need to evaluate the importance of its interest and the means it has chosen to further that interest. Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eug

RE: Contraceptives and gender discrimination

2012-02-14 Thread Alan Brownstein
I can see why the costs to the religious claimant of avoiding the burden on religious liberty may be relevant to the substantiality of the burden. But I don't see why the costs to the government or third parties in avoiding the burden is relevant to the substantiality of the burden. The latter g

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