Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread no6b
At 4/9/2009 01:44, you wrote: >At 11:26 PM 04/08/09, you wrote: > >On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:17:03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >yes, remember the claims of 'extended dynamic range' ?? > > > > > >now, producers and 'artists' want every bit to be a '1' > > > > > >look at a current 'hit' with Adobe Auditio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread Nate Duehr
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:44:55 -0700, "Mike Morris WA6ILQ" > BTW, how many folks know that the 1812 Overture (full > title: Festival Overture "The Year 1812" in E flat major, > Opus 49) is about France invading Russia during the > Napoleonic Wars? Despite being a staple at July 4th > events it has

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 11:26 PM 04/08/09, you wrote: >On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:17:03 -0500, you wrote: > > >yes, remember the claims of 'extended dynamic range' ?? > > > >now, producers and 'artists' want every bit to be a '1' > > > >look at a current 'hit' with Adobe Audition > > > >it has all the 'dynamic range' of a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread Mark
I'm getting ready to send my Teac 7010GSL back for refurbishing. I *STILL* love the sound of 10 1/2" NAB open reel tape... and I *ALWAYS* bought Maxell tape. ;-) Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Chris Curtis Eyeing my collection of

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Curtis
to:Repeater- > buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Gleichweit > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:26 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? > > On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:17:03 -0500, you wrote: > > >

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread John Gleichweit
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:17:03 -0500, you wrote: >yes, remember the claims of 'extended dynamic range' ?? > >now, producers and 'artists' want every bit to be a '1' > >look at a current 'hit' with Adobe Audition > >it has all the 'dynamic range' of a concrete block > >Gary Everything has been compa

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Nate Duehr
y'll get it. Nate From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Suter Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:47 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? I agree enti

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Jacob Suter
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:25 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? If "it's either there or its not" is

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Nate Duehr
If "it's either there or its not" is supposedly a problem, you'll never see that go away in digital comms. You can bit-stuff FEC codes by the metric truckload into a signal all day long, but at some point, it just falls out. That's digital. Period. Anyone "surprised" by this must not be pay

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Mark
right now, at least not in my opinion, based on outside engineering reports and a few, direct, personal experiences. We'll see what the courts say about it. Chuck - Original Message - From: "wd8chl" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chuck Kelsey
ow, at least not in my opinion, based on outside engineering reports and a few, direct, personal experiences. We'll see what the courts say about it. Chuck - Original Message - From: "wd8chl" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) AP

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chuck Kelsey
uck - Original Message - From: "Milt" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? > Chuck, your experience parallels what many users in Pennsylvania have > experienced. The only difference here is that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread wd8chl
> proprietary digital system and is NOT P25. > > MIlt > N3LTQ > > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck Kelsey" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? > > >&

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Milt
To: Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? > Have you read the engineering reports? > > I used one of the radios and wasn't very impressed (actually I was quite > disappointed). And I was a cheerleader fo

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread Mark
Only if it bears the "Rod Blagojevich Seal of Approval" (AKA: campaign donation) ;-p Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Gary Glaenzer must be Illinois... - Original Message - From: wd8chl >And M/A-Com is suing the sta

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Have you read the engineering reports? I used one of the radios and wasn't very impressed (actually I was quite disappointed). And I was a cheerleader for the system up until then. Chuck > > And M/A-Com is suing the state because they DID meet the original > specs/requirements, and the state i

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread Mike Dietrich
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Gary Glaenzer wrote: > - Original Message - > From: wd8chl > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread wd8chl
Gary Glaenzer wrote: > - Original Message - > From: wd8chl > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? > > > >> And M/A-Com is suing the state beca

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread Gary Glaenzer
- Original Message - From: wd8chl To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? >And M/A-Com is suing the state because they DID meet the original >specs/requirements, and the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread wd8chl
Chuck Kelsey wrote: > The digital horror stories don't seem to be vendor-related either -- plenty > of bad press on both Motorola and Tyco (MA-Com - was GE once upon a time). > > My state is a good example of a digital horror story. $3 billion statewide > contract with Tyco cancelled for a syste

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
You mean like a "digital rectal exam" LOL! Chuck - Original Message - From: Gary Glaenzer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?  not to worry it&

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Glaenzer
not to worry it's 'DIGITAL' and that cures all ills. G - Original Message - From: AJ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? It's

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread AJ
the 'dynamic range' of a concrete block > > Gary > > - Original Message - > From: Paul Plack > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? > > &

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Glaenzer
ssage - From: Paul Plack To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? >Somehow, at some point, possibly about the time the compact disc was introduced, the world started defining "audio quality"

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Paul Plack
they sounded. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: mwbese...@cox.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Cc: Kris Kirby Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? I've gotta concur with that comment! I wa

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread mwbesemer
Kris Kirby wrote: > On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Chuck Kelsey wrote: > > My state is a good example of a digital horror story. $3 billion > > statewide contract with Tyco cancelled for a system that didn't meet > > State specifications. Two counties built out as a test (my county one > > of them)

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Mark
Gareth, My state transitioned to a state-wide 700/800 MHz Motorola P25 system about 2 years ago, to replace their VHF High band / VHF Low Band system. So far, there have been a number of both complaints and accolades about the system - and it appears that what you hear depends upon whom you ta

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Kris Kirby
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Chuck Kelsey wrote: > My state is a good example of a digital horror story. $3 billion > statewide contract with Tyco cancelled for a system that didn't meet > State specifications. Two counties built out as a test (my county one > of them) 20 sites for my county alone. > >

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Mike Dietrich
of this. Mike - Original Message - From: Gareth Bennett (Ihug) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:58 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Hello Group, As P25 is being rolled out worldwide, I have been h

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
ike Naruta AA8K" To: Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? > > With new systems, there are usually horror stories. > >

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
With new systems, there are usually horror stories. Our county is essentially an ancient lake bottom and is very flat. We will be adding a 5th and possibly a 6th tower to support areas of poor coverage. I consider this a flaw in the original system design for this area. There have also been "d

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Jed Barton
-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Carruba Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:30 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Fire Departments in my local area are displeased with the digital systems I have read reports wher

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Carruba
:02 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Hello Group, As P25 is being rolled out worldwide, I have been hearing many stories regarding P25 shortcomings. ..Such as Vocoder problems in high noise situations, "Jitter" and "Multipath" issues f

[Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Gareth Bennett (Ihug)
Hello Group, As P25 is being rolled out worldwide, I have been hearing many stories regarding P25 shortcomings...Such as Vocoder problems in high noise situations, "Jitter" and "Multipath" issues from users that have converted from their legacy Analog systems, etc . The repeater issues (If any