Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

2006-05-05 Thread Tyler Pitchford
I think a lot of people have been waiting for easier installs to use it. So we can start telling other to use it. Damn fine project I must say, damn fine. Cheers, Tyler On 5/5/06, Oliver Dohmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, i`ve forgotten to reply to this thread :) Only a short status from

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

2006-05-05 Thread Oliver Dohmen
Hi, i`ve forgotten to reply to this thread :) Only a short status from my side. The Modeleditor is still work in  progress but atm i have no time. Working on a RIFE/Laszlo Project at the company. Any suggestions for new features welcome. But i think that it is not used by anyone atm. cu odo 2006/4

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

2006-04-29 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Emmanuel, Nothing stopping you.  Just get started and when you are ready, submit a patch to the associated Jira(s).  Use the Jira comments to communicate.Take care,Jeremy On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: meant to say *not* eclispse-specificOn 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMA

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

2006-04-29 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
meant to say *not* eclispse-specific On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jeremy, RIFEECL-4 and RIFEECL-5 look quite straight-forward, and especially since they are eclipse-specific, I guess I could handle those if you want me. Cheers, Emmanuel On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

2006-04-29 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
Jeremy, RIFEECL-4 and RIFEECL-5 look quite straight-forward, and especially since they are eclipse-specific, I guess I could handle those if you want me. Cheers, Emmanuel On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Emmanuel, I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse. These ar

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

2006-04-29 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Hi All, I have just updated the Wiki with information on the RIFE/Eclipse resources:http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/EclipseOnce we have the plugin doing something more than associating the RIFE nature, I will update you all and the Wiki with installation/usage information. Take care,JeremyO

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

2006-04-29 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Emmanuel, I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse.  These are very broad and each will require multiple parts.  Look over the open Jira to see if there is anything you are interested in.  If you want clarification on any of the Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate. Take care,JeremyOn 4/29/06

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

2006-04-29 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :) cheers, Emmanuel On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse plugin. As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks are bei

[Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

2006-04-28 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Hi all, Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse plugin.  As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks are being built.  As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.  E

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin

2006-03-16 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Hello,Is any pllugin ready to use ? Can we get it to test/use ?Regards- Original Message -From: "Geert Bevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "RIFE users list : questions,bug reports and suggestions." <rife-users@uwyn.com>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:40Subject: Re

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin

2006-03-16 Thread Naren
Hello, Is any pllugin ready to use ? Can we get it to test/use ? Regards - Original Message - From: "Geert Bevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RIFE users list : questions,bug reports and suggestions." Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:40 Subject: Re: [Rife-users]

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin

2006-03-16 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Jeremy, apart from the RIFE project and launch types, I think that this page cover pretty much what we have talked about wrt. IDE support in the past: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins Hope that helps. Best regards, Geert On 17-mrt-06, at 01:29, Jeremy Whitlock wrote: H

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin

2006-03-16 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Hey all, I have updated the Wiki:http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipseby removing the rife-jumpstart information and with new rife-ide information.  Since we never really decided what features we would like to get out of this, there isn't much more information we can provide.  That being

Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin

2006-03-15 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Jeremy, I think that's a correct assessment. When the rife-ide plugin is working, I'll adapt RIFE/Jumpstart to use the new project and launch types instead. That should be sufficient. Best regards, Geert On 16-mrt-06, at 02:13, Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all, I have updated the

[Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin

2006-03-15 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Hey all, I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and rife-jumpstart plugins.  Here is the url:http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself.  I am tr

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
Well said! On 13-jan-06, at 21:34, Emmanuel Okyere wrote: Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why re-invent the wheel? Eddy, I don't think we are re-inventing the wheel here, just adding to what is a

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
> Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE > already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why > re-invent the wheel? Eddy, I don't think we are re-inventing the wheel here, just adding to what is already available to make it 'more easier' to move from re

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Geert, Earlier this approach of my plugin was referred to as Jumpstart For Eclipse.  That made me think and really, we have two options here:1)  Port my plugin to Rife allowing for users to configure the plugin to "manage" multiple Rife instances. 2)  Create a Server Launch Configuration like W

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why re-invent the wheel? I'll try a RIFE project template for NetBeans first before going for a full-blown plugin. I don't think that anybody here wants to reinve

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Hey all, Ideally, it would be nice to have a plugin structure that would be easily ported to the other main Java IDEs.  (NetBeans and IntelliJ)  Obviously things would change slightly and this might be a huge task but I think that this should be the approach.  Obviously we would need developers

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
Hmmm... True, seems very useful. I will try to replicate this in NetBeans as I'm pretty sure I saw a tutorial on how to define new syntax highlighting rules. I glanced over the NetBeans docs to do that once I think. It doesn't seem to be hard indeed, if I recall correctly. Mind you, I am onl

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Eddy Young
Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Eddy, Eclipse provides that as well. What I mean by templates is to be able to go to File > New and see Rife stuff there that would create template Rife applications ready for hacking for their business need. We then would integrate into the content assist to all

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Eddy Young
Geert Bevin wrote: Hi Eddy, those lexers would be for RIFE-specific highlighting of template tags for instance, like the yellow you see here: http://rifers.org/03_numberguess/src/templates/guess.html.html I have this setup in X-develop with a plugin since several months and I really find it

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
To both Geert and Eddy:Geert, That is exactly what I was thinking.  The plugin would be a lot like Jumpstart in it's packaging and stuff and would allow for download and learn/develop capabilities.  We could then either build upon this plugin to create our Rife "IDE" or we could have multiple p

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Eddy, those lexers would be for RIFE-specific highlighting of template tags for instance, like the yellow you see here: http://rifers.org/03_numberguess/src/templates/guess.html.html I have this setup in X-develop with a plugin since several months and I really find it very helpful. The

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
Sounds good. I do have to say porting my plugin to Rife would be quick but I don't mind doing that later. We can follow your model and I think the main thing here is that I never saw your plugin. I'll make some time tomorrow morning to install Weblogic and your plugin. Like that I can se

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Geert, Cool.Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, but IIRC it also uses JFlex for the lexers. This means that thelexers of JHighlight can be reused.Jeremy Whitlock wrote:> Geert,>  Wouldn't we just hook into the Eclipse syntax highlighter and > extend it fo

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
Yes, but IIRC it also uses JFlex for the lexers. This means that the lexers of JHighlight can be reused. Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Geert, Wouldn't we just hook into the Eclipse syntax highlighter and extend it for the Rife Eclipse types? Take care, Jeremy On 1/13/06, * Geert Bevin* <[EMA

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Geert, Wouldn't we just hook into the Eclipse syntax highlighter and extend it for the Rife Eclipse types?Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I just want to mention JHighlight, which we could use for syntax highlighting of RIFE templates. It uses JFlex as a lexer

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Geert, Sounds good. I do have to say porting my plugin to Rife would be quick but I don't mind doing that later.  We can follow your model and based on user/developer needs, we'll make changes accordingly.  To provide what you are looking for, we basically should do the following in Eclipse-spe

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
I just want to mention JHighlight, which we could use for syntax highlighting of RIFE templates. It uses JFlex as a lexer and has full support for creating syntax highlighted HTML files: https://jhighlight.dev.java.net/ We can reuse the lexers and other parts if required for the plugin. -- Geer

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
Great recap and replies! I think that the plugin should first focus on making the development of RIFE applications easier. Managing production installations and stuff like that would be interesting, but I think that should be left for later. This would also benefit from adding JMX support to R

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Oliver, I'll re-read my EMF and GEF books over the weekend.  I'm sure that if I can find the APIs to get the proper information, we can model/visualize it.Take care,JeremyP.S. - I will take out the easy adjective though.  ;) On 1/13/06, Oliver Dohmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,>> Geert,>

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Oliver Dohmen
Hi, Geert, While the starting/starting of Rife isn't really a function of Rife, we will want to be able to start/stop and embedded container, like Jetty/Tomcat, to allow us to control the Rife environment. (This would also allow for us to debug Rife applications.) That is what wou

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Wow...a lot of stuff going on.  Here are my comments:Geert, While the starting/starting of Rife isn't really a function of Rife, we will want to be able to start/stop and embedded container, like Jetty/Tomcat, to allow us to control the Rife environment.  (This would also allow for us to debug

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints and watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that you can visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data and logic flow. This

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Oliver Dohmen
Hi, What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints and watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that you can visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data and logic

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
For those that are not on our IRC channel, we're also discussing this in parallel there atm. You can get the logs here: http://servlet.uwyn.com/drone/log/bevinbot/rife/20060113 Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all, I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife. He seems interes

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
i don't think fixed file locations should be our major concern... probably, we should think about what preferences we can add in to allow people more flexibility with the system; Of course it's not the major concern, I was just warning to not go that road. There's no reason why the plugin can't

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
i don't think fixed file locations should be our major concern... probably, we should think about what preferences we can add in to allow people more flexibility with the system; -- eokyere On 1/13/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wowz... tons of reponses already... lol > > On 1/1

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
Cool. I like this a lot. My plugin will probably only provide the mechanism to configure Rife instances, start/stop them and debugging the Hmm actually the starting and stopping of web applications is not RIFE-related. It is the servlet container that is responsible for that. How do yo

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
wowz... tons of reponses already... lol On 1/13/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geert posted a sort of roadmap here > http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins; i think it's a good > place to start... like Geert, I'm prepared to put effort into this if > we can get it started

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread JR Boyens
If you read Geert's latest blog entry (http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2006/1/13/visual_rife_eclipse_plugin) you'll notice that Oliver has been working on a plugin as well... Would yours integrate his functionality or would it already have the features he's talking about? On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 08:5

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
Geert posted a sort of roadmap here http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins; i think it's a good place to start... like Geert, I'm prepared to put effort into this if we can get it started. -- eokyere On 1/13/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey all, > I have been talk

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
Thanks to Jeremy for making the offer. I don't see any objection to him project managing this given his track record. Regarding development of RIFE plugins, I think it should be a concerted effort among the developers who take up the tasks. This would ensure the plugins are consistent across t

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Geert, Cool.  I like this a lot.  My plugin will probably only provide the mechanism to configure Rife instances, start/stop them and debugging the Rife applications.  Once I learn a little more of what could be visualized, we could also visualize each instance's Rife components as well like I

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Eddy, This will definately be a joint effort involving many Rife developers/users.  We should definately start brainstorming on things like the proposed file locations and such.  We should all get on IRC at the same time or something.  Just let me know when to be there and I'll make it so. Take

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Jeremy, thanks a lot for stepping up to jumpstart this effort. We already started discussion possible features before the new-year and put some things on the wiki here: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins I'm most interested in the first stage: "facilitate regular coding". I no

Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Eddy Young
Jeremy Whitlock wrote: Hey all, I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife. He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it started. I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to do so. I have written a plugin that

[Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

2006-01-13 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Hey all, I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.  He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably perform simila