Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-03-01 Thread drew Roberts
Frank, On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:45 AM Frank Christel wrote: > Drew, > > I am grateful for your instructions showing how to change the format > Rivendell uses to internally save audio. But we’re fine with a default of > PCM16, especially in 2020 when, as Fred points out, storage is cheap. My mi

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-03-01 Thread Frank Christel
Drew, I am grateful for your instructions showing how to change the format Rivendell uses to internally save audio. But we’re fine with a default of PCM16, especially in 2020 when, as Fred points out, storage is cheap. Linear WAV has been the house standard at Public Radio Tulsa since the begin

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-29 Thread Lorne Tyndale
Frank,Glad to hear it worked as expected, it is pretty straight forward.> Just what can’t Rivendell (and Linux) do?Right now some of the biggest area that I see which could use some additional capabilities is remote access, mainly the ability to do remote voice tracking (preferably through a web in

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-29 Thread drew Roberts
Frank... On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 7:17 PM Frank Christel wrote: > "It’s alive!!!” > > That was so simple. > > I opened RDLibrary, clicked Add, created a new cart, clicked > Import/Export, selected a MP2 cut, acknowledged “Import complete!”, clicked > OK to save cart changes, and auditioned usin

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-28 Thread Frank Christel
"It’s alive!!!” That was so simple. I opened RDLibrary, clicked Add, created a new cart, clicked Import/Export, selected a MP2 cut, acknowledged “Import complete!”, clicked OK to save cart changes, and auditioned using the play button. Rivenberries, running the Edge Radio distro, natively

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-28 Thread Fred Gleason
On Feb 28, 2020, at 09:06, Alan Smith wrote: > 1) Besides Time compression you get: > 2) Hardware encode/decode, offloading the workload from the CPU (not really > an advantage anymore with today's modern processors) > 3) Balanced Audio I/Os > 4) Multi-Output on a single card. Let’s not forget:

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-28 Thread Fred Gleason
On Feb 28, 2020, at 05:36, Timothy Elwell wrote: > Fred or Cowboy can probably give the best answer on this. But, if I recall > correctly, you do still need the ASI for MP3 as it's a licensing issue with > software MP3 due to patents. Not anymore! The last MPEG Layer III patent expired on 16 A

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-28 Thread Fred Gleason
On Feb 27, 2020, at 17:43, Frank Christel wrote: > Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files? Answer: they (mostly) are not. Rivendell has had an integrated software codec for realtime capture and play-out of MPEG Layer II when using ALSA or JACK for close to ten years now.

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-28 Thread Lorne Tyndale
Hi, Fred or Cowboy can correct me if I'm incorrect, but just to comment, for several years now with Rivendell MP2 for the library storage and playback has been available in software with any sound card. This change was made when the patent expired. For those with ASI cards the encoding / decodin

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-28 Thread Frank Christel
In the course of discussions about our research for a Windows 10 automation alternative, I don’t recall sharing the distro we discovered through a Google search. This is what started us down the path toward Rivendell. It was created by the Edge Radio folks in Australia: https://www.edgeradio.

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-28 Thread Alan Smith
1) Besides Time compression you get: 2) Hardware encode/decode, offloading the workload from the CPU (not really an advantage anymore with today's modern processors) 3) Balanced Audio I/Os 4) Multi-Output on a single card. Really 2 isn't a big deal.  There are other cards that provide multi-ba

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-28 Thread Frank Christel
I’m stunned. I thought native MP2 playback would be a stumbling block in our adoption of Rivendell. NPR and PRX content comes to us as MP2 files. Simian requires ASI cards for MP2 playback and Public Radio Tulsa has purchased a couple of dozen over the years. Arguably, they’re the best cards f

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-28 Thread Richard Elen
On 28-Feb-20 10:36, Timothy Elwell wrote: you do still need the ASI for MP3 as it's a licensing issue with software MP3 due to patents. I notice from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing,_ownership_and_legislation : "... patents required to implement MP3 expired in most countries by

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-28 Thread Timothy Elwell
Fred or Cowboy can probably give the best answer on this. But, if I recall correctly, you do still need the ASI for MP3 as it's a licensing issue with software MP3 due to patents. Since the ASI cards have hardware MP2/3 encoders and decoders present, the licensing has been paid through the purc

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Alan Smith
My last reply should have read "ASI not required to play MP3 or MP2 Audio"... On 2/27/2020 6:02 PM, drew Roberts wrote: Well, I have been thinking further and trying to remember... On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:10 PM Timothy Elwell mailto:telw...@pilotproductions.net>> wrote: Hi Frank,

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Alan Smith
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember asking an almost similar question when I first started with Rivendell. It is my understanding that you do not need ASI cards to play either mp3 or mp3 cards.  You might have needed them 'back in the day', but these days I believe ASI cards only gets you

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread drew Roberts
Well, I have been thinking further and trying to remember... On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:10 PM Timothy Elwell wrote: > Hi Frank, > > ASI cards should only required for MP3. MP2's patent expired a number of > years ago and was added to Rivendell as soon as the patent expired. MP2 > should be usable

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Timothy Elwell
Hi Frank, ASI cards should only required for MP3. MP2's patent expired a number of years ago and was added to Rivendell as soon as the patent expired. MP2 should be usable on any recent RD system (I don't remember the exact version it was added, but I know it's worked well for me on v2+). Fo

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread drew Roberts
Frank, On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 5:43 PM Frank Christel wrote: > Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files? > Experiment with this yourself. On a test box, say the RasPi Rivendell (corrected) you mention below, run rdadmin. click manage hosts. highlight the host in question an

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Frank Christel
Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files? From the “Features and Benefits” list on the Rivendell home page: "Support for both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG Layer 2 support requires the use of select sound cards available from AudioScience Inc.).” (ASI cards are r

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Cowboy
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 13:40:30 -0500 Fred Gleason wrote: > On Feb 27, 2020, at 12:33, Cowboy wrote: > > > Just means you'll ( we'll ) have to compile ourselves either the driver, > > if source is available, or the kernel. > > ‘Fraid not. The current version of the hpklinux driver *does not bui

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Rob Landry
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020, Cowboy wrote: Just means you'll ( we'll ) have to compile ourselves either the driver, if source is available, or the kernel. When WNTK got hit by lightning last August, we lost two ASI sound cards of a model that had been discontinued. The new cards were not recognized

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Fred Gleason
On Feb 27, 2020, at 12:33, Cowboy wrote: > Just means you'll ( we'll ) have to compile ourselves either the driver, > if source is available, or the kernel. ‘Fraid not. The current version of the hpklinux driver *does not build* on the kernels used by CentOS 6. That was a decision made by Audio

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Fred Gleason
On Feb 27, 2020, at 12:05, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote: > And recent driver versions have a minimum kernel version that excludes CentOS > 6. Those of us still running CentOS 6 may have trouble when we have to > replace a sound card. CentOS 6 goes EOL in less than a year (November

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Fred Gleason
On Feb 27, 2020, at 08:07, drew Roberts wrote: > Did you miss this from the first email? > > rdalsaconfig shows Audioscience ASI6622 I somehow managed to invert the sense of that one. The current CentOS installer for Rivendell actually places an entry in ‘/etc/modprobe.d/‘ to ban the ALSA dri

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Cowboy
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 12:05:31 -0500 (EST) Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote: > And recent driver versions have a minimum kernel version that excludes > CentOS 6. Those of us still running CentOS 6 may have trouble when we have > to replace a sound card. > Just means you'll ( we'll ) h

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread Rob Landry
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020, Fred Gleason wrote: On Feb 19, 2020, at 23:35, drew Roberts wrote: what cards should show in 3.x? It depends on what version of ASI’s ‘hpklinux’ driver is being used. Not all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version. And recent driver versions have a m

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-27 Thread drew Roberts
Fred, On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 6:49 PM Fred Gleason wrote: > On Feb 19, 2020, at 23:35, drew Roberts wrote: > > what cards should show in 3.x? > > > It depends on what version of ASI’s ‘hpklinux’ driver is being used. Not > all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version. For CentOS 7 >

Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-26 Thread Fred Gleason
On Feb 19, 2020, at 23:35, drew Roberts wrote: > what cards should show in 3.x? It depends on what version of ASI’s ‘hpklinux’ driver is being used. Not all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version. For CentOS 7 setups, we provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and 4.20.21 (with v4.20.21

[RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

2020-02-19 Thread drew Roberts
what cards should show in 3.x? I have a small spare rivendell system with an asi card (iirc) which was 2.x but I just wiped that and installed 3.x rdalsaconfig does not show the asi card. lspci shows this: 02:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Texas Instruments TMS320C6414 TMS320C6415 TMS320C6416