Rob Purchase wrote:
> My eyes are drawn straight away to the words "playback" and "radio":
> these look out of place here (sloppy, even) without capitalisation. I
> don't think Rockbox should differ from the vast majority of English
> software (UK, US or otherwise) in this respect.
>
> I think it
Just as a comment, I see plenty of uses of title case within the menus
at BBC.co.uk.
While many of the headlines don't use it, many titles in menus including
ones that very certainly aren't simply proper nouns seem to use title case.
Instead of arguing based on how often people see it used or
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 22:05, Dave Chapman wrote:
> I'm not sure what else can be said in this thread, apart from
> re-iterating the argument that in general use, title case is little-used
> in the UK, and to my eyes (and to the eyes of the majority of the
> British contributors to this thread)
Marc Guay wrote:
My eyes are drawn straight away to the words "playback" and "radio": these
look out of place here (sloppy, even) without capitalisation. I don't think
Rockbox should differ from the vast majority of English software (UK, US or
otherwise) in this respect.
I think it goes without
> My eyes are drawn straight away to the words "playback" and "radio": these
> look out of place here (sloppy, even) without capitalisation. I don't think
> Rockbox should differ from the vast majority of English software (UK, US or
> otherwise) in this respect.
>
> I think it goes without saying t
I think that is actually the important question. Or at least, that and "In
the UK is it 'Harry Potter and the half-blood prince' or 'Harry Potter and
the Half-Blood Prince'?"
Artistic titles are usually title case, see:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Harry-Potter-Half-blood-Prince-Childrens/dp/07475
Dave Chapman wrote:
All the native British-English speakers who have expressed a preference
(apart from you - I'm guessing you're British based on your email
address) prefer sentence case, and this is basically what I'm saying -
choose whether to use title case on a language-by-language basis,
The argument isn't about what is and what is not a title, it's whether
titles in the British-English Rockbox language file should use title case.
I think that is actually the important question. Or at least, that and "In the
UK is it 'Harry Potter and the half-blood prince' or 'Harry Potter and
But this is because computing is almost exclusively done in US English.
Sure, but that means that many of us have now embraced it. Language is
dynamic, and as title case is already acceptable in some (eg. artistic)
instances in UK English, there's no reason why it can't be considered
legitim
gl wrote:
> But to answer your point, title case is more common in computing for
> menus and settings
But this is because computing is almost exclusively done in US English.
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Jonas Häggqvist
rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk
Thomas Martitz wrote:
> Dave Chapman schrieb:
>> But if we accept it's a matter of taste, how do we decide what Rockbox
>> uses?
> I call the RSB to create a guideline.
I'd hope that the RSB wouldn't say anything more definitive than "Use
whatever native speakers of the language prefers".
Which i
Of course there are exceptions, I'm just saying that title case is far
less common.
First, as I said it's matter of taste, I don't think there's a 'right'
answer, feel free to choose whatever for Rockbox.
But to answer your point, title case is more common in computing for menus
and settin
> I prefer title case for menus, but it ocurrs to me that if you want
> sentence case always, that can be automatically generated (just drop all
> but the first capital), whereas title case can't if it's used selectively.
If we're going to do anything like this, surely it would be better to stor
Dave Chapman schrieb:
But if we accept it's a matter of taste, how do we decide what Rockbox
uses?
I call the RSB to create a guideline.
gl wrote:
However, my argument is that any British English language file should
> use sentence case, as that's what is in common use in that language.
Not necessarily true, for example poetry / lyric titles frequently use
title case.
Of course there are exceptions, I'm just saying that tit
> gl wrote:
> > I prefer title case for menus, but it ocurrs to me that if you want
> > sentence case always, that can be automatically generated
> (just drop
> > all but the first capital), whereas title case can't if
> it's used selectively.
> >
> > So why not keep title (but make it consis
Title case in British English is more formal, more grand - it's a matter
of taste, *nor* correctness.
not.
--
gl
It's not quite that simple - you would need to maintain a list of proper >
nouns and not convert those to lower-case.
True - but you could build a list of those that the converter skips.
However, my argument is that any British English language file should >
use sentence case, as that's what
gl wrote:
I prefer title case for menus, but it ocurrs to me that if you want
sentence case always, that can be automatically generated (just drop all
but the first capital), whereas title case can't if it's used selectively.
So why not keep title (but make it consistent), and either auto-gene
Well, IMHO readability is not an issue. The difference between "Playback
Settings" and "Playback settings" is minimal and even to the "title
case"-used eye, it makes sense.
If we go for title case we will have to choose which strings should use it
and what type. Even if it is not as complicat
2008/8/18 Paul Louden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I think that both in terms of readability, and in terms of user
> expectation, title case is appropriate for the names of menu options. As
> well, in the case of Rockbox menu options, they are (or can be used as)
> proper nouns. If I mention Playback Set
2008/8/18 Alex Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> 2008/8/18 Jonathan Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Going by most other software (and slightly personal preference) I'd
>> vote for Title Case. BUT... We could easily add a new language for
>> Sentence case and call it UK English...
>>
>> Jonathan
>
2008/8/18 Jonathan Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Going by most other software (and slightly personal preference) I'd
> vote for Title Case. BUT... We could easily add a new language for
> Sentence case and call it UK English...
>
> Jonathan
>
Or add a new language for title case and call it US En
Going by most other software (and slightly personal preference) I'd
vote for Title Case. BUT... We could easily add a new language for
Sentence case and call it UK English...
Jonathan
Paul Louden wrote:
XavierGr wrote:
Look at most menus in software, in English, as I've mentioned. They are
in title case. This is more or less common practice in computing, as
Dave Chapman has mentioned. I think even if we are going "UK English"
it's more a practice than a dialect-specific iss
XavierGr wrote:
IMHO it would be horrendous and impractical (not to mention
subjective) to choose a casing for each string depending on its context.
What's so impractical and horrendous about "If it's the name of a
setting, such as that it will show as the title of a screen or an entry
in th
2008/8/18 Paul Louden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I don't know that "having them both in the .lang file" qualifies as using
> them at the same time. The language file represents a lot of strings, some
> that would or could be considered titles and some that are dialogs and
> absolutely shouldn't be titl
Paul Louden wrote:
XavierGr wrote:
I have to agree, sentence case seems the way to go.
Title case is used mostly in English and not other languages.
Well this discussion is mostly about English, since pretty much no other
language uses it regularly anyway and I don't think we'd impose title
c
>> Title case is used mostly in English and not other languages.
I don't think it's a language thing (unless it's UK vs US). The English
language would definitely indicate use of sentence case.
The (valid) argument for title case is that it helps readability.
pondlife
XavierGr wrote:
Using them at the same time is confusing and weird.
I don't know that "having them both in the .lang file" qualifies as
using them at the same time. The language file represents a lot of
strings, some that would or could be considered titles and some that are
dialogs and abso
Yes, I grappled with that before typing it! I decided it was likely written
by a single grocer...
pondlife
2008/8/18 Paul Louden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well this discussion is mostly about English, since pretty much no other
> language uses it regularly anyway and I don't think we'd impose title case
> on languages where it doesn't belong at all.
I should have clarified that it is most frequent in U.S
XavierGr wrote:
I have to agree, sentence case seems the way to go.
Title case is used mostly in English and not other languages.
Well this discussion is mostly about English, since pretty much no other
language uses it regularly anyway and I don't think we'd impose title
case on languages whe
2008/8/17 pondlife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> +1 for sentence case, +2 for consistency!
>
> pondlife
I have to agree, sentence case seems the way to go.
Title case is used mostly in English and not other languages.
Either way we must follow a strict guideline to avoid inconsistencies.
OT, but I couldn't resist...
grocers' apostrophe
Depends if you're talking about one or all of them. It might just be your
local one ; ).
--
gl
OT, but I couldn't resist...
2008/8/18 pondlife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> wrong... For extra attention grabbing, perhaps they could have used the
> grocer's apostrophe too - "Network Connection's" ;-)
>
> Or maybe it's just me..?
grocers' apostrophe
-Cam
OK, what about "Sounds and Audio Devices" ? Should that perhaps be
"Sounds and Audio devices" to indicate two items?
No, it looks wrong (to me anyway). They're in effect titles/headings (of
the group of settings they represent) which are capitalised this way.
For extra attention grabbing,
> I disagree, the point of capitalisation here is to draw attention to the
> important stuff. If you're looking for something in the OS, those words
> are what you're trying to find in the myriad of settings and icons - it's
> a usability improvement.
OK, what about "Sounds and Audio Devices"
I see your point, but still think that title case is generally incorrect.
.
For example (on Windows) we have the horrible "Printers and Faxes".
I disagree, the point of capitalisation here is to draw attention to the
important stuff. If you're looking for something in the OS, those words ar
> I don't know. I mean, look in the menus of most of the applications on
> your PC. Generally speaking settings names, etc, are in title case. I
> think it needs to be on a case by case basis, but most of the menu/setting
> names belong in title case.
I see your point, but still think that titl
I don't know. I mean, look in the menus of most of the applications on
your PC. Generally speaking settings names, etc, are in title case. I
think it needs to be on a case by case basis, but most of the
menu/setting names belong in title case.
+1 for sentence case, +2 for consistency!
pondlife
2008/8/16 Dave Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Personally, I strongly dislike the use of title case, and would much prefer
> Rockbox to use standard sentence case for all strings. Writing "Are You
> Sure?" simply isn't correct...
>
FWIW (and also from a British English point of view), I completely
Dave Chapman wrote:
> Personally, I strongly dislike the use of title case, and would much
> prefer Rockbox to use standard sentence case for all strings. Writing
> "Are You Sure?" simply isn't correct...
This is my personal opinion as well, but it's not my language, so I won't
meddle beyond stat
I've recently been trying to sync the Catalan translation, and have
noticed the inconsistent use of title and sentence case in the lang files.
A recent(-ish) patch (FS#8538 - committed as r16663) fixed a lot of
inconsistencies by making more strings in english.lang use Title Case.
However, I c
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