On 11/05/12 11:42, Holger Marzen wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Chris Cannam wrote:
On 10 May 2012 12:38, Richard Bown wrote:
On one point - who hosts the RG website currently and any chance making this
editable with some non stone-age tools and for multiple users?
I host it. It gets updated a
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Chris Cannam wrote:
> On 10 May 2012 12:38, Richard Bown wrote:
> > On one point - who hosts the RG website currently and any chance making
> > this editable with some non stone-age tools and for multiple users?
>
> I host it. It gets updated automatically from the Subversi
On 05/10/2012 01:10 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> I guess this problem affects all software development, but I wouldn't know
> that, because I'm not a professional by any means. I guess Rosegarden is my
> rude awakening to all the jubilation and glee I missed out on by being a
> liberal arts m
On 05/10/2012 05:46 AM, Andy wrote:
>
> Richard Bown wrote:
>> Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could
>> contribute to new website/direction/developments.
>>
>> Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some
>> people who are big current c
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:18:11 +0200
Richard Bown wrote:
> Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could
> contribute to new website/direction/developments.
>
> Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some
> people who are big current contribu
On Wed, 9 May 2012 07:20:25 +0200 (CEST)
Holger Marzen wrote:
> On Tue, 8 May 2012, Abrolag wrote:
>
> > On the promotional side...
> > For what it's worth, absolutely every track on my website - and there are
> > one or
> > two there :) - was developed and performed using Rosegarden. This incl
On 10 May 2012 16:18, Richard Bown wrote:
> Devs or Interested in Ports
I'm not particularly interested in a Mac port and don't especially
want one, but I'm certainly competent to make one and would try to
help out if there was more general interest.
(Why not particularly interested? I just don'
I can try and recruit some Mac developers but I am not a developer myself.
I know how to compile things but not write code.
I could also contribute something in the songwriting area.
Another thought is that Debian used to post a list of consultants (probably
still does) where people could go for l
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2012, Richard Bown wrote:
>
>> Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could
>> contribute to new website/direction/developments.
>>
>> Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Richard Bown wrote:
> Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could
> contribute to new website/direction/developments.
>
> Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some
> people who are big current contributors. This is
Richard Bown wrote:
> Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could
> contribute to new website/direction/developments.
>
> Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some
> people who are big current contributors. This is just to get the ball
Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could
contribute to new website/direction/developments.
Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some
people who are big current contributors. This is just to get the ball rolling
so apologies in advanc
[cc -devel]
On 10 May 2012 13:41, Ian Gardner wrote:
> I guess people like me are part of the problem in this regard, turn up one
> day, chuck something in to do with linked segments and then f. off into the
> sunset. Fly-by-night, here today and gone tomorrow contributors :-(
Well, you could
>I guess this problem affects all software development, but I wouldn't know
>that, because I'm not a professional by any means. I guess Rosegarden is my
>rude awakening to all the jubilation and glee I missed out on by being a
>liberal arts major.
>
>No great loss. Software is a pain in the as
> But don't forget that overhauling websites (regardless of tools) is a
> time sink almost comparable to developing software, especially since
> everyone always has an opinion...
Agreed. And I wasn't offering but some people have and so that's why I thought
I'd put together a proposal for potent
On 10 May 2012 12:38, Richard Bown wrote:
> On one point - who hosts the RG website currently and any chance making this
> editable with some non stone-age tools and for multiple users?
I host it. It gets updated automatically from the Subversion repo.
(https://rosegarden.svn.sourceforge.net/svn
> liberal arts major.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu1VhsNOwPU
> No great loss. Software is a pain in the ass.
It is. And any professional software of this size and complexity would be
equally gnarly. It's just the way it is and we all learn to accept this
eventually because for some of u
On Wednesday, May 09, 2012, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> ...It's a prettier example of the same sort of breed as that car.
After a bit more reflection, it occurs to me the real problem is not the
eclectic design, but that every neat little gizmo bolted onto this thing was
manufactured by a diff
On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, Richard Bown wrote:
> On 8 May 2012, at 22:46, Chris Cannam wrote:
> > But you and I have had a lot of time off from this project, and I
> > guess both of us did that because we felt a bit like Michael
>
> Indeed. It's a soul wrecker this software.
It really is. I th
On Tue, 8 May 2012, Abrolag wrote:
> On the promotional side...
> For what it's worth, absolutely every track on my website - and there are one
> or
> two there :) - was developed and performed using Rosegarden. This includes
> controlling both hardware and soft synths, hydrogen drum machine and
Richard Bown wrote:
>>
>>> There is real truth in that. I've literally never taken a proper go
>> somewhere
>>> and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took with my
>> family as
>>> a kid. That was 1987.
>>
>> Well, your constitution must be incredible.
>> After that, I'd have bee
Chris Cannam wrote:
> On 8 May 2012 18:57, D. Michael McIntyre
> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, PMA wrote:
>>
>>> Waay too hard on yourself.
>>> You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco!
>>
>> There is real truth in that.
>
> Hang on, did I miss something? Is someone offering a free
On 8 May 2012, at 22:46, Chris Cannam wrote:
> But you and I have had a lot of time off from this project, and I
> guess both of us did that because we felt a bit like Michael
Indeed. It's a soul wrecker this software.
R
On 8 May 2012 08:23, Richard Bown wrote:
>> I have failed.
>
> What absolute self indulgent rubbish.
Though a very nicely constructed extended metaphor.
I think you're sort-of right that the proper answer ought to be a nice
brisk one about how it's just going the way it has to go and if it
isn't
On 8 May 2012 18:57, D. Michael McIntyre
wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, PMA wrote:
>
>> Waay too hard on yourself.
>> You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco!
>
> There is real truth in that.
Hang on, did I miss something? Is someone offering a free weekend in Acapulco?
Chris
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Hello everyone!
That's a lot that does not speak in this ml-list!
I also have something to say on the future of rosegarden. I really like
rosegarden. But I'm a maniac lilypond, mainly by Frescobaldi, because
exploitation of power by lilypond rosegarden is, forgive me, ridiculous and
depressing
>
> > There is real truth in that. I've literally never taken a proper go
> somewhere
> > and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took with my
> family as
> > a kid. That was 1987.
>
> Well, your constitution must be incredible.
> After that, I'd have been in a Happy Farm
> long s
D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, PMA wrote:
>
>> Waay too hard on yourself.
>> You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco!
>
> There is real truth in that. I've literally never taken a proper go somewhere
> and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took w
On Tue, 08 May 2012 08:53:39 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> On 08/05/12 02:36, David Tisdell wrote:
> ...
> > One of the things I like about RG is that it
> > adapts well whatever your approach to composition.
>
> +1 very well said.
> Lorenzo.
Indeed.
On the promotional side...
For what it's wo
On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, PMA wrote:
> Waay too hard on yourself.
> You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco!
There is real truth in that. I've literally never taken a proper go somewhere
and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took with my family as
a kid. That was 1
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Ian Gardner wrote:
> is to write an implementation for the virtual midi/sequencer interface in
> rg in terms of Jack, and you can have a fully portable codebase to all
> platforms out of the box (with the help of cygwin on windows) with midi and
> audio magically w
t; From: Richard Bown
>To: David Tisdell
>Cc: "rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net"
>
>Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 16:49
>Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
>
>
>Yes, but for the windows port so far audio isn't in scope. And if it was
On 8 May 2012 17:18, David Tisdell wrote:
> The attempt at a Mac port was done before the codebase had been moved to qt.
> It was installed through fink. I exchanged email with the person who had
> tried it and he had run into significant problems because of KDE
> dependencies and he gave up.
I
The attempt at a Mac port was done before the codebase had been moved to
qt. It was installed through fink. I exchanged email with the person who
had tried it and he had run into significant problems because of KDE
dependencies and he gave up.
Nice to hear about the commercial version of Ardour th
Yes, but for the windows port so far audio isn't in scope. And if it was I
probably wouldn't do it with JACK I have to say. Purely because I've got bored
of fancy APIs for stuff and different models you're forced to adopt to use
them, ALSA and JACK did it for me.
Midi with Rtmidi and ? for a
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:31 AM, David Tisdell wrote:
> I agree on the "More bang for the buck" on a Windows port but JACK already
> runs on OS X as do some JACK aware apps. Percentage of the user base wise,
> the Mac has historically more people creating content (Don't know if that is
> true to
I agree on the "More bang for the buck" on a Windows port but JACK already
runs on OS X as do some JACK aware apps. Percentage of the user base wise,
the Mac has historically more people creating content (Don't know if that
is true today) and it is fully POSIX compliant whereas Windows is not. It
D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> ...
> I have failed.
Waay too hard on yourself.
You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco!
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David Tisdell wrote:
> When I am writing, I almost always begin with the notation editor. Vitally
> important tool. One of the things I like about RG is that it adapts well
> whatever your approach to composition.
>
Fascinating -- that people work *so* differently.
I write J-language programs that
I'd think there is more bang for the buck in focusing on the Windows port
rather than starting a new Mac port. Although since OSX is really just BSD
Unix with a pretty face, it might be easier to do.
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Richard Bown <
richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com> wrote:
> Th
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, David Tisdell wrote:
> Perhaps as a starting point we could "shake the tree" for developers on
> Linux audio user lists, wikis, etc. since Linux is the platform of origin.
> The core work should begin here and ports created as new features are worked
> out. As a m
Can a link be added to the alpha for Windows on the main Rosegarden website
(If I didn't have the announcement archived, I wouldn't be able to easily
find it)? It can have the disclaimer as being an Alpha but I have tried
alpha software in the past that was fairly useful. Just that in itself
shows
The Windows alpha is something I knocked together with a view to completing at
least the MIDI portion at some point this year.
Mac I can't do anything about at the moment as I don't have one. However
perhaps that's a good angle to pursue with Kickstarter if there are more
developers interested
David,
I played around a bit with the Windows alpha and it seemed to work pretty
well; I believe that project is ongoing but there are others who are more
familiar with its progress than I.
--Tom
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM, David Tisdell wrote:
> What it all seems to come down to is attra
What it all seems to come down to is attracting more developers. It seems
to me that there needs to be a multipronged approach.
To attract more developers, it could help to expand the user base. If we
had people evangelizing Rosegarden to the end user, we could expand the
user base. I have presente
Sorry for cross post but want to hit developers too here.
>> or perhaps even Kickstarter.
>
> Money could help if there were enough of it.
To do kickstarter there would have to be a definite goal, a core collective, an
output and some enticing pledge material. I'll have a think about this and
On 05/07/2012 12:08 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> On 07/05/12 23:05, Brett McCoy wrote:
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM, david wrote:
>>
>> Notation can be done with Lilypond,
>
> No please leave it in and value the notation! Notation as a
> composition/creation tool as well, yes the typesetting
Actually, this David was only semi-joking about the matrix editor. I
look at pieces of programs as resource costs. Resources spent on the
matrix editor are not available for use on what I consider more
important parts of the program. For what it's worth, I've have liked
matrix editors for music
On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, Richard Bown wrote:
> > I have failed.
>
> What absolute self indulgent rubbish.
I'm glad my heartfelt outpouring of emotion is self-indulgent rubbish.
I don't really care what you think either, as far as that goes. I've had it
up to here with criticism. It strikes
Rosegarden does pretty much all I need it to do. Yes, it has a few
niggling (and apparently very hard to find) bugs, but no showstoppers that
are easily worked around.
As far as a future direction and additional features, you guys should
check out the Impro-Visor project and maybe give it a spin
> I have failed.
What absolute self indulgent rubbish. It's in fine shape. We just need a bit
of positivity around here. Yes and time. And maybe a Summer of Code or
perhaps even Kickstarter. Rather than making sweeping statements perhaps a
plan is in order.
R
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On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, Holger Marzen wrote:
> If he has to work 70 hours a week behind the steering wheel of his truck
> then he needs support. But who can help him?
I want to point out that while the hours I have to spend working do have a
negative influence on my ability to get things done
On 08/05/12 02:36, David Tisdell wrote:
...
> One of the things I like about RG is that it
> adapts well whatever your approach to composition.
+1 very well said.
Lorenzo.
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On Mon, 7 May 2012, Abrolag wrote:
> I really, really, REALLY don't want to have to try to find something (or
> even a bunch of somethings) that does all of that.
>
> I get frustrated by RGs bugs, but never by it's functionality.
I second that. And, Rosegarden UI *is* intuitive. It took me some
When I am writing, I almost always begin with the notation editor. Vitally
important tool. One of the things I like about RG is that it adapts well
whatever your approach to composition.
Dave
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:07 PM, PMA wrote:
> Abrolag wrote:
> > On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:08:43 -0400
> >
Abrolag wrote:
> On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:08:43 -0400
> PMA wrote:
>
>> david wrote:
>>> ... I think RG could profitably get rid of the matrix editor. ;-)
>>
>> For the record just in case, that would end my interest in RG.
>
> methinks david was having his little joke ;-)
>
i saw the ;-) but did
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Thomas Sattler wrote:
>> Notation can be done with Lilypond,
>
> Uh ... no, it can't. Oh, you might be able to enter notes and get sheet
> music out of it, but I have never heard of anyone who begins with a finished
> composition.
*raises hand* I've done many pie
On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:08:43 -0400
PMA wrote:
> david wrote:
> > ... I think RG could profitably get rid of the matrix editor. ;-)
>
> For the record just in case, that would end my interest in RG.
methinks david was having his little joke ;-)
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> Notation can be done with Lilypond,
Uh ... no, it can't. Oh, you might be able to enter notes and get sheet
music out of it, but I have never heard of anyone who begins with a
finished composition. When you want to place notes on a staff, you
typically want to hear what it sounds like after y
david wrote:
> ... I think RG could profitably get rid of the matrix editor. ;-)
For the record just in case, that would end my interest in RG.
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On 07/05/12 23:05, Brett McCoy wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM, david wrote:
>
> Notation can be done with Lilypond,
No please leave it in and value the notation! Notation as a
composition/creation tool as well, yes the typesetting can be done in
Lilypond but 'creating' music in the seq
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM, david wrote:
> I sometimes use the event editor. I never use the matrix editor. I think
> RG could profitably get rid of the matrix editor. ;-)
As far as MIDI composing goes, the matrix editor is the single most
important feature. Notation can be done with Lilypon
On Mon, 07 May 2012 10:13:48 -1000
david wrote:
> On 05/06/2012 10:33 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> > On 07/05/12 09:20, Holger Marzen wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I made my first song with rosegarden. I chose Rosegarden because:
> >>
> >> - MIDI-Sequencer
> >> - Can use Synthesizer-plugins, elimi
On 05/06/2012 10:33 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> On 07/05/12 09:20, Holger Marzen wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I made my first song with rosegarden. I chose Rosegarden because:
>>
>> - MIDI-Sequencer
>> - Can use Synthesizer-plugins, eliminating latency and jitter compared
>> to internal MIDI
>> -
On 07/05/12 09:20, Holger Marzen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I made my first song with rosegarden. I chose Rosegarden because:
>
> - MIDI-Sequencer
> - Can use Synthesizer-plugins, eliminating latency and jitter compared
>to internal MIDI
> - Can record and arrange audio
> - Can use LADSPA-plugins for
Hi all,
I made my first song with rosegarden. I chose Rosegarden because:
- MIDI-Sequencer
- Can use Synthesizer-plugins, eliminating latency and jitter compared
to internal MIDI
- Can record and arrange audio
- Can use LADSPA-plugins for audio (reverb, echo ...)
What I don't need:
- Create s
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