[sage-devel] Re: Sage component manuals

2009-09-26 Thread John Cremona
And at this point, which sage component doesn't have its documentation on the web -- latest version, everything maintained upstream? eclib, for a start John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To

[sage-devel] Re: new jmol

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Jason Grout wrote: William Stein wrote: We could try changing how jmol is used in Sage as follows: when the user isn't actively using the 3d image, it is replaced by a static png. Then there would be at most 1 jmol applet per page. That seems to be how

[sage-devel] Re: Sage component manuals

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sep 25, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Kwankyu wrote: It is totally feasible. It hasn't happened only because nobody has done it. I think the only good reasonable longterm way to do this would be to modify the spkg-install for each and every package so that it installs documentation for that

[sage-devel] Re: Behavior of solve

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:11 PM, rjf wrote: If you want to look at possible definitions of solve that have been refined more recently than Maxima's solve, you can look at Mathematica's Solve, NSolve, RSolve, Reduce, and maybe some others like Eliminate. Maxima's solve dates to 1971, but there

[sage-devel] Re: donlowad and upload multiple files in one (zip)package

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sep 26, 2009, at 12:38 AM, ma...@mendelu.cz wrote: Hello all, do you consider to allow to download and upload multiple files in Sage? Perhaps in zip file? It would be really usefull for people working on more servers (on laptop at home, on sagenb.org at wife's computer, behind firewall

[sage-devel] donlowad and upload multiple files in one (zip)package

2009-09-26 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
Hello all, do you consider to allow to download and upload multiple files in Sage? Perhaps in zip file? It would be really usefull for people working on more servers (on laptop at home, on sagenb.org at wife's computer, behind firewall on university, .) and also for teachers (all worksheets

[sage-devel] Re: Something funny (must read) - opening Sun computers.

2009-09-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Bill Hart wrote: More than likely the company that looked at your computers to see if they were broken, has done you a great favour. I used to work as a computer tech and sometimes it was very difficult to determine whether a computer was broken or not. By the time the company had dealt

[sage-devel] Re: Behavior of solve

2009-09-26 Thread John Cremona
The notation x = ZZ['x'].gen() (etc) looks really weird to beginners. So it is worth pointing out that x=polygen(ZZ), x=polygen(RR) etc do the same and are less obfuscatory. John 2009/9/26 Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu: On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:11 PM, rjf wrote: If you want to

[sage-devel] Re: new jmol

2009-09-26 Thread Jonathan
A few things related to the memory constraints: 1) The available memory is limited by the set up of the JavaVM on the users computer. I believe 64 Mb is the default. If you need more you could supply instructions to the user on how to reset their JavaVM. There can also be issues with the

[sage-devel] Re: Behavior of solve

2009-09-26 Thread x x
And pi can't be represented by QQbar at all! Thanks for the correction! What I meant was a transcendental extension over QQ. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email

[sage-devel] Re: Sage component manuals

2009-09-26 Thread Nick Alexander
On 26-Sep-09, at 12:35 AM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Kwankyu wrote: It is totally feasible. It hasn't happened only because nobody has done it. I think the only good reasonable longterm way to do this would be to modify the spkg-install for each and every

[sage-devel] Re: Sage component manuals

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sep 26, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Nick Alexander wrote: On 26-Sep-09, at 12:35 AM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Kwankyu wrote: It is totally feasible. It hasn't happened only because nobody has done it. I think the only good reasonable longterm way to do this would

[sage-devel] Re: canvas3d_lib.js extended to work on iPhone, IE

2009-09-26 Thread Jaap Spies
Peter wrote: Hi, I really like the canvas3d plot option in 4.1.2 since it will make it easier to implement interactive 3d scenes in Sage and make them also display in browsers that do not support java. I modified the canvas3d_lib.js file so that it can also be used in a plain html page

[sage-devel] Re: new jmol

2009-09-26 Thread Jonathan
This appears to be a SAGE specific problem. I can even reproduce it with Firefox on MacOS (works fine in Safari on MacOS). There must be something about the javascript used to launch Jmol. I will need to delve into how SAGE uses Jmol... As I haven't looked at this before and have limited time

[sage-devel] Re: new jmol

2009-09-26 Thread Jonathan
I have my own answer to #3. I think that using document.write to replace the applet with a picture when not in use should work. I haven't investigated yet to see if it really saves memory. My suggestion is to use the list of applets JmolApplet0, JmolApplet1, ...JmolAppletn to keep only three

[sage-devel] Sage FileExchange?

2009-09-26 Thread Hazem
Hi, Just a suggestion: The Sage project should set up a site analogous to The Mathworks FileExchange, where Sage users can exchange categorized scripts, compiled files, etc designed to solve specific problems. People can rate and comment on others' submissions, make requests, link documentation

[sage-devel] Re: Sage component manuals

2009-09-26 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: And at this point, which sage component doesn't have its documentation on the web -- latest version, everything maintained upstream? Many important Sage users don't have web access all the time. -- William

[sage-devel] Re: strange message from hg_sage.commit()

2009-09-26 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 2:29 AM, John Cremona john.crem...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/25 William Stein wst...@gmail.com: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:27 PM, John Cremona john.crem...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone tell me what this message means, in response to hg_sage.commit(): cd

[sage-devel] unix

2009-09-26 Thread William Stein
Hi, Are there any amazingly good freely available introductions to basic command line UNIX that people recommend. I've noticed that many people (often young students raised on Windows) who really want to work on Sage don't know anything about basic command line UNIX, which increases the

[sage-devel] Re: strange message from hg_sage.commit()

2009-09-26 Thread John Cremona
2009/9/26 William Stein wst...@gmail.com: OK, I did that.  There were a huge number of weird warnings but it did actually do a commit so that I could make a patch, and I'll apply that to a new fresh clone (made by me) and carry on from there. I saw *exactly* this same problem yesterday on

[sage-devel] Re: unix

2009-09-26 Thread gsw
Hi William, on Cygwin.org (see http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/ov-ex-win.html;), they recommend to search for UNIX basics and UNIX tutorial. Doing so yields e.g.: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ where you can find a browser- or offline-readable UNIX Tutorial for Beginners, which

[sage-devel] Re: unix

2009-09-26 Thread Marshall Hampton
One can do worse than Unix for Dummies. I can't really review it effectively, since I knew most of what's in it before getting it, but it seems pretty good for a total newbie. What was very helpful to me after I learned some basics was O'Reilly's Unix Power Tools, but that might be overwhelming

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 4.1.2.alpha2 released

2009-09-26 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Kiran, On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Kiran Kedlaya ksk...@gmail.com wrote: After I dropped in the updated cliquer spkg (#6681), 4.1.2.alpha2 built and passed all doctests under 64-bit Fedora 10. It appears that Minh has already closed ticket #6746 in response, I closed ticket #6746

[sage-devel] Re: unix

2009-09-26 Thread Harald Schilly
On Sep 26, 9:12 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any amazingly good freely available introductions to basic command line UNIX that people recommend. This fall I'm teaching an introduction lecture to Linux ... the problem is, that you also have to explain the basics. One book

[sage-devel] Sage Tutorial Web page set

2009-09-26 Thread lutusp
I 'm in the process of writing a Sage tutorial at http://arachnoid.com/sage. I'm about about halfway through the project, the completed pages may be a useful resource, and I wanted to (1) announce this, and (2) ask for comments from people willing to read the articles. Thanks!

[sage-devel] Re: unix

2009-09-26 Thread lutusp
On Sep 26, 12:12 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Are there any amazingly good freely available introductions to basic command line UNIX that people recommend.  I've noticed that many people (often young students raised on Windows) who really want to work on Sage don't know

[sage-devel] Re: testing packages on OS X 10.5

2009-09-26 Thread John H Palmieri
On Sep 25, 4:50 pm, Minh Nguyen nguyenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, There are some updated packages that would be really cool to get into Sage 4.1.2. These include: * #6969 boehm_gc-7.1.p2.spkg * #6971 ecl-9.8.4-20090913cvs.p1.spkg * #7006 mpir-1.2.p6.spkg * #6919 flint-1.5.0.p0.spkg

[sage-devel] Re: unix

2009-09-26 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Marshall Hampton hampto...@gmail.com wrote: One can do worse than Unix for Dummies. Is it available for free online? For my purposes, that is a bare minimum requirement. -- William  I can't really review it effectively, since I knew most of what's in it

[sage-devel] Re: trac ticket 7013 is ready for review prime_pi and nth_prime (my first Sage contribution)

2009-09-26 Thread kstueve
Would any of you be interested in refereeing ticket 7013? It needs review. On Sep 25, 6:26 pm, kstueve kevin.stu...@gmail.com wrote: Uses a hybrid table lookup and sieving algorithm.  Also provides the option of using PARI's sieving algorithm, Andrew Ohana's optimized Legendre algorithm, or

[sage-devel] Re: canvas3d_lib.js extended to work on iPhone, IE

2009-09-26 Thread Peter
On Sep 26, 10:15 am, Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl wrote: Peter wrote: Hi, I really like the canvas3d plot option in 4.1.2 since it will make it easier to implement interactive 3d scenes in Sage and make them also display in browsers that do not support java. I modified the

[sage-devel] Re: Sage component manuals

2009-09-26 Thread Kwankyu
Hi, I think that if Sage has a component as a part of it, we should at least tell the user how to use the component. Currently the user is told to ask Google about it. Here I mean those components intended for end users. . Kwankyu --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post

[sage-devel] Re: Sage component manuals

2009-09-26 Thread kcrisman
On Sep 26, 2:55 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: And at this point, which sage component doesn't have its documentation on the web -- latest version, everything maintained upstream? Many important Sage

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Tutorial Web page set

2009-09-26 Thread kcrisman
On Sep 26, 6:45 pm, lutusp lut...@gmail.com wrote: I 'm in the process of writing a Sage tutorial athttp://arachnoid.com/sage. I'm about about halfway through the project, the completed pages may be a useful resource, and I wanted to (1) announce this, and (2) ask for comments from people

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Tutorial Web page set

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Sep 26, 2009, at 3:45 PM, lutusp wrote: I 'm in the process of writing a Sage tutorial at http:// arachnoid.com/sage. I'm about about halfway through the project, the completed pages may be a useful resource, and I wanted to (1) announce this, and (2) ask for comments from people

[sage-devel] Re: Sage component manuals

2009-09-26 Thread Pat LeSmithe
Kwankyu wrote: I think that if Sage has a component as a part of it, we should at least tell the user how to use the component. Currently the user is told to ask Google about it. Here I mean those components intended for end users. . How about at least including links to [sufficiently]

[sage-devel] Sage in the blogosphere

2009-09-26 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, Here's an blog post about Sage. The post itself is written in Polish, so it's all Greek... err... I mean, it's all Polish to me :-) http://notatnik.mekk.waw.pl/archives/174-Sage_dostepne_w_Ubuntu.html -- Regards Minh Van Nguyen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~

[sage-devel] An update of 'prereq' needs review

2009-09-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I've created an update of prereq from 0.3 to 0.4 which does the preliminary checks of the Sage build. http://sagetrac.org/sage_trac/ticket/7021 The main benefits are: * gcc is checked that the version is at least 4.0.1 * If you try to mix versions of gcc and g++ (say gcc 4.0.2 and gcc

[sage-devel] Re: Sage component manuals

2009-09-26 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi, On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Pat LeSmithe qed...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP On related notes, should we * Re-organize the Sage wiki front page? For example: + Make it easier for a newcomer, developer or user, to find what they want. Yes. Any volunteers? + Put more recent

[sage-devel] Re: unix

2009-09-26 Thread Marshall Hampton
Oh, no, sorry - somehow I skipped over the freely available part your request. My apologies. -Marshall On Sep 26, 6:15 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Marshall Hampton hampto...@gmail.com wrote: One can do worse than Unix for Dummies. Is it

[sage-devel] Re: An update of 'prereq' needs review

2009-09-26 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi David, On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I've created an update of prereq from 0.3 to 0.4 which does the preliminary checks of the Sage build. Has anyone ever told you that you're a portability and shell scripting guru? From the top of my

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-marketing] Sage in the blogosphere

2009-09-26 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Minh Nguyen nguyenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Here's an blog post about Sage. The post itself is written in Polish, so it's all Greek... err... I mean, it's all Polish to me :-) http://notatnik.mekk.waw.pl/archives/174-Sage_dostepne_w_Ubuntu.html

[sage-devel] Free, high capacity download mirror for Sage files

2009-09-26 Thread Hazem
I'd like to draw you attention to CoBlitz: http://codeen.cs.princeton.edu/coblitz/ Its a cache proxy content distribution network for large files. It works by prefixing http://coblitz.codeen.org/ to the URL of the download file you want to serve, and CoBlitz will do the rest. For example, take

[sage-devel] Free, high capacity download mirror for Sage files

2009-09-26 Thread Hazem
I'd like to draw you attention to CoBlitz: http://codeen.cs.princeton.edu/coblitz/ Its a cache proxy content distribution network for large files. It works by prefixing http://coblitz.codeen.org/ to the URL of the download file you want to serve, and CoBlitz will do the rest. For example, take

[sage-devel] Re: Free, high capacity download mirror for Sage files

2009-09-26 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Hazem hazem.biqa...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to draw you attention to CoBlitz: http://codeen.cs.princeton.edu/coblitz/ Its a cache proxy content distribution network for large files. This looks very cool. I went to the site worried that it would be some

[sage-devel] Re: Free, high capacity download mirror for Sage files

2009-09-26 Thread Hazem
I wouldn't have recommended it if it were an annoying ad-filled warez host! Using this, you could host the file on your personal computer and home internet connection, and still serve it to the world with bandwidth to spare. Hazem On Sep 27, 12:14 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: