Sorry I don't have time just now to make an ABC. It's in the Caledonian Pocket Companion. I only knew because he also put that reel in his Thistle Sonata.
- Kate D.
We'll see tomorrow! Nevertheless, I didn't know about this tune, Could you post the abc for it, please?
For those of you nearby/interested there will be a session on Brechin at the Caledonian Hotel on the fourth of June (next Friday) at around 20.00.
Do they play James Oswald's "Brechin Reel"?
- Kate D.
than just recording what was the normal practice. But perhaps
that was the normal practice at the dances Surenne attended, who knows?
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27;ve read a lot about dancing.
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rnpipes
'clogs' and I think that comes from using Ryan's Mammoth
Collection/1000 Fiddle Tunes. But there were also many fiddlers who
didn't read music in Cape Breton in the past.
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se if you check Glen's list or Gore's index and see
that a tune was published much prior to Petrie, you know he didn't
compose it.
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I have a facsimile of Robert Petrie's tune books (thanks to Jan
Tappan), which I think have never been reprinted,
Llanerch Press reprinted them, they're still available and not very
expensive.
Llanerch Press reprinted George Petrie. That's an Irish collection.
- Kate D.
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s you what key the arranger thought the tune was in, and
occasionally that's news.
What do you mean use "usual" keys. I think he should use the original
keys in the book.
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pipe oriented. But since whistles don't have drones, there isn't
anything magic about an A note anymore, is there? So I don't have to do
cuts from an A note, maybe? Also, I don't know why people think
whistles are so easy. Fiddles seem a lot easier to me!
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rsen's CDs, but he didn't list any source for Sandy Duff.
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The "High Reel"? Nice tune which I haven't played for maybe 7 years
:-) Are you starting to play more Irish tunes Kate?
I'm not playing much of anything, but I'm starting to think about what
I would like to play when I get going again.
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a Scottish collection. Has anyone else seen it? I'm just curious.
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. It was quite challenging! Sort of like trying to do
some of the Scottish national dances while playing castanets.
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well), but I don't know the key (unless I guess from knowing the
tune) when I listen to other instruments because I am not familiar
enough with them and don't have perfect pitch. I'm going to start
watching for Jack's colours.
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F Thinnish.
Bb Velvet--very rich and fine.
Eb/C minor Weird, fascinating, and beautifully sad.
I think I would have said that B minor is "Wailing," not just "Rather
sad." Also, I don't find F to be "thinnish." I guess Em could be said
to be thin, but &
ke to David on the phone and he says it was great to see you
guys. He also found the acoustic perfect to play in.
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are due to
my saying that the Finnish tunes reminded me somewhat of Hungarian
music from certain regions.
Usually we don't stray too far from Scottish, Cape Breton, and
Baroque in this household. A little diversion sure can be fun though.
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latter CD goes a bit wild, with Frith and Zappa compositions
alongside Bremner, Christie, and MacGibbon...
Don't worry too much -- they're not mixed -- just on the same CD! It
makes sense, really : - )
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any day now (it
didn't emerge from manufacturing in time to travel with David G.).
The latter CD goes a bit wild, with Frith and Zappa compositions
alongside Bremner, Christie, and MacGibbon -- not to mention some
Finnish and Hungarian tunes which snuck on there too.
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playing with David McGuinness and the MacGillivray sisters in Glasgow
and Fort William.
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Someone requested that I forward this message.
>
> Hi Everyone,
> Can you help with this inquiry of a fellow listmember on another list?
> If yes, please reply directly to Lisa at :
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> thank you
> I'm presently revising a manuscript (my M.A. thesis) about the life and
> music
Just a quick question--
Has anyone used Roni Music's 'Slow Me Down', or
'Pacemaker', with Winamp? They don't work with CDs or tune midi
files, but for some reason they do work with midi files that contain
only voice. Why do these programs work with some sound files and not
others? Kate
ting bass line which doesn't seem to have much
to do with chords. I got the impression that it worked along the lines
as written above.
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interesting to have on the net...
And Niel Gow, who probably wouldn't have a computer yet.
Oh he might have one, but Nathaniel would be the one using it.
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x27;ve heard a few stories of fiddlers using tunes this way to be
funny. I should point out that piano players sometimes know what
kind of chords will bug a fiddler too!
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ne that one gets tired of hearing over and
over (such as when teaching it at a fiddle camp).
Please forgive my language. It was actually pretty funny in the
context of the story I was told.
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don't think it's any sillier than
"Squirrel in the Tree" jig.
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o hard and with "Inverness" in the title, I'd guess
it might also have Scottish roots. "Duncan Gray" would probably work
well, but I haven't tried it on anybody yet.
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I have a teaching and repetoire-related question ..
I teach both piano at all levels, and violin at the beginner level (Kate D,
my all-time most favourite teacher- yes, you're allowed to laugh - and
cringe - at the latter !! :-) ) The parents of one of my very young, very
beginner fiddle stu
Cape Breton at least, they sometimes
used high-bass tuning with more ringing strings, which projects more.
If all else failed, perhaps the dancers could hear the stamping of
the fiddler's foot!
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es.
However, it was my impression that the 1st of August was the same
dance as the King of Sweden, and that there was a tune called the
King of Sweden. No?
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of fusion
music. I don't know what he's fusing because, sorry to say, I don't
like the Skydance CD I have, so I only listened to it twice (I know,
maybe if I were more open minded I would try again). I prefer
hearing Alasdair play on his own or with one accomp
Lancer's dance sets? We need help on
the details from Kate Dunlay
Yes, you're remembering correctly. It's a similar situation in
Ireland, where quadrilles went native. It's fairly easy to look up
directions for the Lancers and relate them to the Inverness set. One
might
lkas!
How much variation in tempo would you think is acceptable for a reel
played for listening? How slow can one take it before people start
throwing things at you? Before Fiddlers start throwing things?
If you like one slow, just label it "slow reel" and that way it will be
nd is more
clean. Thanks again for the post.
Kate
> You might be interested in the straight slur/up-driven bow comments in
> the introduction to the following collections:
> Richard Carlin's "The Gow Collection of Scottish Dance Music"
> J. Murdoch Henderson'
nt to come close to the kind
of articulation that you get from playing separate bow strokes but
then do it in one bow stroke instead. Different
authors/arrangers may not have exactly the same thing in mind when
they use a straight slur. I just know how we used it in our
collection to transcribe Cape Br
oom when I
practice anymore!! LOL >
Best wishes to all of you for the new year!!
Kate
) and General Stewart and that line of thinking. This would
be if I wanted something familiar or was looking for strings of tunes
which I would guess other people would know. Or if I haven't been
practicing lately and all I can remember is the old standards!!!
(This happens often,
ic (1891). But in Glen you can see Nathaniel's
entire body and he's holding a fiddle and bow next to his lap. He
does seem to resemble his father.
Nice website Nigel. I have never taken the time to really explore it
but I certainly will now.
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I'm looking for a portrait or likeness of Nathaniel Gow
There's one in the Glen Collection. I only have a photocopy of it.
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ton recordings there is usually piano as well as fiddle (not that
pianos can't be way out of tune too!).
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a high or played the pieces in the wrong
key PLUS played way too fast. The most sensible explanation is that
the cylinder/record just went too fast at playback (or maybe even too
slow when recording?). Also, I think they were purposefully trying
to fit a lot on one cylinder/rec
onald Dundee". I think it's pretty
familiar to Cape Breton fiddlers, although I'm not sure how many
actually play it. Some early fiddler recorded it, maybe Dan Joe
MacInnis, but I'm too lazy to go look that up unless it actually
matters to someone.
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David gets to go to Scotland again. : - )
Kate doesn't get to go (again!). : - (
From Concerto Caledonia's website ( http://www.concal.org/ ):
OCTOBER
24 St Andrews in the Square, Glasgow
25 Corn Exchange Theatre, Biggar
26 St Cecilia's Hall, Edinburgh (Georgian Concert Society
there too because of the mixed influences, especially in
the instrumental music.)
If anyone would like to see a course outline, I would be happy to
email it to individuals.
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have problems,
but he always supplies a list of errata and changes, so you have the
freedom to disagree if you want.
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heard
of a tune known by the initials A.M.?
Thanks,
Kate
I would also be interested!
Kate
> Nigel Gatherer wrote:
>
> > ...the Blackford Fiddlers...a community-based group in the village of
> > Blackford...where the aim was the encourage and teach fiddle playing
> > as an everyday community activity...It has inspired me t
o hard and is a nice tune: The Old Highland Laddie (like
Donkey Riding, only better). It's hexatonic and repetitive, but
still has more notes than what you wanted.
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Works out well on the fiddle
starting on the E on the D string. It's hexatonic and repetitive and
most people have heard it. It has "do re mi" in it. Everybody
always gets it, even little kids, which I haven't found with many
other tunes.
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Perfect! Thanks, Nigel.
Kate
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> This is a very quick, scribb
Yes, I can put the abc into a program that will change it into standard
notation. Many thanks!
Kate
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se I don't have. I can learn it from the recordings so that's
not so terrible. The bad thing is that the notes on the "Sole Music"
CD say "a classic 4/4 march by the infamous Skye piper" which means
that we must all be supposed to know why Donal
>Does anyone know the composers for the following tunes?
>
>Hughie Shortie's (reel)
Johnny Wilmot (Cape Breton)
>Lady Dorothy Stewart (jig)
Lady Dorothea Stewart Murray's Wedding March
Aeneas Rose
>Fr Eugene's Welcome to Cape North (2/4 march)
Mike MacD
en grace note fits the
Cape Breton style and is placed in the type of situation in which
these long grace notes are used, then a Cape Breton fiddler might
well interprete it that way. Some Cape Breton fiddlers play even the
quick type of double grace notes more slowly than others, almos
about
improvisation. Does this sound anything like reality to you people
in Scotland?
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>I'm not having much luck getting a reply these days - is anybody out
>there? However, I'll try again. Does anyone know what this tune is?
No idea. Do you have some project going with these tunes you have been
asking about?
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Hi Listers,
Someone on a piper's list requested the sheet music for Johnny Red Rory--
has anyone heard of this, perhaps by another name or alteration in
spelling? I looked for him but couldn't find it under that title.
Best wishes for the new year to you all!
Kate
itnesses to the fact that you've started this
tradition.
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ally there are a bunch of tunes I've
forgotten on the old lists!
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Does anyone know the dates for Pipe Major William Ross? (If there has been
more than one, I mean the one with the collection who composed a bunch of
tunes.) Is it correct to say he was 19th-century, or did he overlap with
another century?
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tunes are marked "as
danced by..." and "as performed by..." I just imagined that the tunes were
for character and hornpipe dances on the stage. The tunes don't seem very
interesting.
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aclean originally wrote.
...
>Charles Maclean, Collection of Favourite Scots Tunes, pub. Neil Stewart,
>c.1770
Oh gosh, how could I forget that it was in MacLean? Lots of great stuff
there. I went to Paul Cranford's site (that's what you mean by Lighthouse
Publication
similar to what is in the Gesto Collection. Sorry to be so vague.
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nge frae Dunbar". I used to
>teach this song to my guitar group at primary school.
>
>Philip
It's a great tune, for fiddle too.
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ury
I've never seen an Irish source quoted that was earlier than Gow, so I
think it's Nat's tune.
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y as long as the
musicians make the total amount of music come out okay. At the few contra
dances I've been to where Cape Breton fiddlers were playing, the caller has
suggested playing a lot of jigs, since they're, almost without exception,
standard length.
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(Kinnon Beaton, in The Beaton Collection)
Mr. Joe MacLean Hornpipe (Dave MacIsaac, in Jerry Holland's 2nd Collection)
Sheldon MacNeil's Reel (Raymond Ellis)
plus most of John Morris Rankin's compositions
There are probably a bunch more which I haven't clued in to yet. There are
d (even though I
have a hard enough time keeping up here). Thanks for the tip about the
Nineties Collection, Nigel. I will have to get hold of one.
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y" (if you like to do that
Cape Breton thing of playing tunes together which start similarly). "Mrs.
Crawford's" is almost the same as "Forneth House" which Robert Petrie
claimed as his own composition. Maybe Nathaniel Gow reset it (it's a bit
better as &q
that help?
It's in Kerr's Thistle Collection, collected and arranged by James Hunter.
Great tune! I always wondered who D. Muir was.
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he Harsh February (Phil Cunningham)
>The Setting Sun (Ian Hardie)
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>I've been looking for a 6/8 tune for beginners (all suggestions
>welcomed)
Stan Chapman has been teaching all his beginners "John Allan's Jig" by Dan
Hugh MacEachern for years. I tried it on a class I taught and found it
pretty good for the purpose also.
- Kate
copied
tunes out of Joseph Lowe's collection for The Skye Collection, but Lowe
didn't givew any composer information about George IV.
(Sometimes I wonder what world I am living in where I can get excited about
such a ridiculous detail! It's just that it's such a chestnut of a t
42
of the "Scots Guards, Standard Settings of Pipe Music." This tune was a
favourite of the late King George VI and was played at his funeral, also at
the late President John F. Kennedy's funeral."
I can send you the translation if you want it Cynthia.
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Woman of Mabou" (Cape
Breton) was the Wexford tune, but now I know there's more to it!
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wondering
if it is also played a lot in Scotland.
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it likely that a tune of his
would be in Gow. On the other hand, I never looked into it before.
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cs etc. and might that be why
I like it better? I think I also like it because I amplify it right on my
fiddle bridge so it seems like my own instrument making the sound. At a
session, when I can't hear a pitch fork, I just tune to what seems to be
the average A.
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>To Kate Dunley; Hi. Kate, Glad to read your contribution.
[Hi Alexander, Glad to read yours too. My, aren't we all stubborn about
sticking to our positions through the years!!!]
>the very best CB fiddlers play with drive, good timing AND play in tune.
Some fiddlers are nea
l" C happens in those tunes like the King tunes, which are
in A mixolydian/dorian, in which case the example is analogous to what I
described above. Alexander, do you often observe a low C# in A major or
were you just going by Perlman's description?
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s about
it. The problem is that sometimes this turns into intolerance of the
opinions and practices of others.
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om
what's accepted). In Cape Breton fiddle music, playing with drive and good
timing is more important than playing in tune. A fiddler could be so good
that a few off notes don't really matter.
In conclusion, although Alexander would like to see the issue of tuning as
a purely scient
Oooh, I'm delighted--thanks, Nigel! I love sites like these!
Kate
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> Kate wrote:
> > Hello Liste
n from the Wars-- can't find them
anywhere.
Cheers,
Kate
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#x27;s interesting. I haven't listened
for a long time, but I think it was the timing which was not at all what I
am used to.
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Thanks a million, Janice!!
Kate
>
> From the Andy M. Stewart Collection, p. 89:
>
> Gallant Murray
>
> Wha will ride wi' gallant Murray?
> Wha will ride wi' Geordie's sel'?
> he's the floow'r o' a' Glenisla'
> And the
arted working with some chordal accompaniment and
alternative tunings. I play mandolin, guitar, and just got a Fylde cittern
last night-- am deliriously happy with it! And, since it's my day off, I'm
going to go sit out in the yard and get to know it better .
Anyone else?
Enjoying
Hi Listers,
I'm looking for lyrics to 'Gallant Murray' (sung by Andy Stewart). Does
anyone know of any lyrics sites on the net? I've tried Mudcat... they don't
have 'em.
Thanks!
Kate
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>I think I know this under a different title, but can't place it. Does
>anyone recognise it at all?
>
>T:Highlander's Jig
Get out your DunGreen Collection (I know you have one, Nigel) and go to
page 107!
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ng of the tune, but I have not
seen it in a book anywhere. In one of the Cranford Publication books the
title is "The Thistle."
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>I have just acquired a Scottish - possibly! - 18th c guittar - take a look...
>
>http://www.maxwellplace.demon.co.uk/pandemonium/guitars.html
Wow, that's cool, David! Will you be keeping those pictures on your site?
They're great for reference when trying to explain what a
own exploration of
>the great collections.
>--
> AY STAN
That was a GREAT post and I will keep it handy at all times!
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;.
That's interesting. I had always just assumed that the title referred to
the Rocking Step of the Highland Fling.
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ects: the "Shetland" guitar stuff is complicated harmonies
>but simple rhythms. Where's the resemblance?
Bass runs?
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; isn't shown with cuts
in the Athole Collection, but I heard it that way in Cape Breton -- first
quarter note of the second measure.
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le of notes). BTW every once in a
while you get Scottish ornaments resembling rolls because of the way a
melody happens to go plus the addition of a grace note to fill it out.
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Posted t
r of Scottish fiddlers it is hard to say what
their influences have been anyway. They can have classical or Irish
habits. I think maybe you have to have lived in Scotland for a while to
know what's really traditional there -- or have a lot more recorded
examples than I have!
- Kate D.
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Rankin's," so it would be interesting to take a survey of how fiddlers bow
that one.
- Kate D.
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>>I think for The Sailor's Wife Em is a more usual key than Dm.
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>Not here it isn't - people play it in D minor or not at all (despite
>it being in print in E minor for well over a century).
I have only heard it played in D minor as well.
- Kate D.
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