One of the BPO vendors I work with in Pune, work to UK holidays, not Indian ones.However, I was struck with the way that the management made 'noises in our ears' to allow staff time off during Diwali (against our contract) but made no special provision for Ramzan. I'm not trying to inflame an
On Thursday 09 Nov 2006 7:55 am, Keith Adam wrote:
One of the BPO vendors I work with in Pune, work to UK holidays, not Indian
ones. However, I was struck with the way that the management made 'noises
in our ears' to allow staff time off during Diwali (against our contract)
but made no
On 07/09/06, Kiran Jonnalagadda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Second, what exactly is Hindu? If you lay aside the definition of
being a religion distinct from other religions, is it not plausible
that Christianity is a sub-caste of Hinduism, thus allowing for the
concept of Dalit Christian? (For
On Sat September 9 2006 9:50 pm, Biju Chacko wrote:
Quite frankly, I'm not sure what definition would put Christianity in
a different basket from Islam. The two religions are so similar as to
be virtually branches of each other.
umm- at the risk of being politically incorrect, I think that
At 18:49 06/09/2006, you wrote:
Rishab, why on earth do so many of your posts end up with the silklist
address mentioned twice in To:?
-- ams
because i habitually group reply which for some reason with silklist puts
it in the address line twice...
On 06-Sep-06, at 9:22 PM, sastry wrote:
But please tell me, how can civil society get involved at this stage?
You may want to talk to organisations like the Alternative Law Forum
(in Vasanthnagar; www.altlawforum.org) and CASUMM (in Basavanagudi;
no website). They make it their business
On 07-Sep-06, at 7:08 AM, sastry wrote:
But India IS Hindu dominated isn't it? Why fight the fact? One
needs to sit
back, accept it and allow the fact to sink in. The only question I
asked was
was whether the US or UK are Christian dominated or not.
I don't buy that. If it was Hindu
Both seem to have a bone to pick with Janaagraha, an organisation
ostensibly for fostering better coordination between government and
civil society. It's worth asking them to find out why.
This is very interesting - would you happen to know why, Kiran? A number
of people I know from college
I don't buy that. If it was Hindu dominated (in perception; numbers
don't matter), then we'd have no reason for anti-minority fronts. The
fact that they exist and are as noisy as they are reveals the
insecurity over not being dominant.
I'm not sure that's the right interpretation of the
On Thu September 7 2006 12:25 pm, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
anti-minority fronts. The
fact that they exist and are as noisy as they are reveals the
insecurity over not being dominant.
If that is so then would you say that the description Hindu dominated India
is wrong?
shiv
On 07-Sep-06, at 3:50 PM, Badri Natarajan wrote:
This is very interesting - would you happen to know why, Kiran? A
number
of people I know from college are at ALF, and I always thought they
operated in an entirely separate sphere from a place like Janaagraha.
I hang out with the bunch
On 07-Sep-06, at 4:08 PM, sastry wrote:
If that is so then would you say that the description Hindu
dominated India
is wrong?
Let's define dominated, shall we? Does it refer to being a
numerical majority, or politically dominant, or economically
dominant, culturally dominant, or in the
Kiran,
Semantics aside, is India Hindu dominated or not? If you hear an announcer on
the BBC saying Pakistan and India have been to war three times over the
status of Kashmir, which is the only Muslim majority state in Hindu dominated
India, would say that is a fair description of what you see
On 9/6/06, sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ram everyone in India is now undergoing narcotests and it's all happeneing
here in Bangalore. What I find amazing is that the tapes are actually being
broadcast. Talk about freedom of information.
India needs a Civil Liberties organization along the
India needs a Civil Liberties organization along the lines of ACLU. I
would gladly support one (as much as I can) if it existed.
There are quite a few of them, although not exactly on ACLU lines.
Particularly concentrated in areas like the environment and stuff, but
occasionally, they do
On 07-Sep-06, at 6:16 PM, sastry wrote:
Semantics aside, is India Hindu dominated or not? If you hear an
announcer on
the BBC saying Pakistan and India have been to war three times
over the
status of Kashmir, which is the only Muslim majority state in Hindu
dominated
India, would say that
On 07-Sep-06, at 7:10 PM, Badri Natarajan wrote:
Just to add to Shiv here - saying Hindu dominated is not
necessarily the
same as saying India is a Hindu country. I think, as a factual
matter,
that India is indeed Hindu dominated. I do NOT think India is a Hindu
country, because that
At 2006-09-07 17:08:43 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Such a definition of Hinduism would accommodate just about anyone in
India -- whether Sikh, Jain or Buddhist -- while excluding Islam.
^^
Or atheist, for that matter, since someone always pops up to
On 9/7/06, Badri Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But that's precisely the point - my problem is that I think the
authorities (both the airline staff and Dutch authorities) massively
overreacted - basically because these guys had brown skin. If the plane
had had 12 English football hooligans
On 9/6/06, Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, time for a quick, unscientific, politically-incorrect poll: How
many brown people on this list have been hassled at security?
Once, at Delhi, because some threads that were part of the binding of
my passport were frayed.
The nice gentlemen
Biju Chacko wrote:
[...]
OK, time for a quick, unscientific, politically-incorrect poll: How
many brown people on this list have been hassled at security? How many
white people on this list have been hassled at security? Those of you
who can't fit yourself into one category or other: please go
On Wed September 6 2006 11:44 am, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:
No, I haven't spent Christmas in a hospital in Bradford. Why would I?
Many areas of Bradford in the UK are Asian/Muslim majority areas. Hospitals
and business establishments often have a large number of Asian Muslim/Hindu
staff.
On Wed September 6 2006 11:14 am, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:
I hope you are
not suggesting that an unfettered environment for these agencies
means that they are not subject to executive and political supervision
for, among other things, preventing human rights violations
I hope you are
Are you trying to find out if racism exists? In my personal experience,
it certainly does. What you get at an airport is a double whammy of
racism conflated with xenophobia.
Yeah, plus Islamophobia. Note that if there had been a reliable (visual)
way to ascertain if you were Muslim or not,
sastry wrote:
I am tempted to bleat that it is up to us the public to address the problem.
But long before "we the public" can help correct the problem we have to
recognise what the problem is and where it lies and not clutch at straws or
take down strawmen. That realisation means
IMO, many of the ills the Indian police is guilty of can be traced to
their governance structure. (I am speaking here as an interested
party.) There is an exercise at present to create a new law which will
Wasn't there some kind of famous Commission report from the 70s or 80s
which went
Badri Natarajan wrote:
IMO, many of the ills the Indian police is guilty of can be traced to
their governance structure. (I am speaking here as an interested
party.) There is an exercise at present to create a new law which will
Wasn't there some kind of famous Commission
That is the famous National Police Commission, headed by Dharam Vira.
The remarkably comprehensive report (in many volumes) came out in the
early eighties and had it been implemented, would have changed the face
of law enforcement in India. (Report available at
Badri Natarajan wrote:
Is it correct to say that it is essentially the same problems that plague
the police today? That is, if the report were implemented now, it would
still do a lot of good, right? Or do you think things have changed a lot
in the last 20 years, and we need a different
On Wed September 6 2006 6:06 pm, Nandkumar Saravade wrote:
civil society needs to get involved at this stage itself
to put in its point of view, especially on issues of police
accountability, oversight and complaints redressal. Please visit
http://mha.nic.in/padc.htm for more details.
Thank
On Wed September 6 2006 6:06 pm, Nandkumar Saravade wrote:
civil society needs to get involved at this stage itself
to put in its point of view, especially on issues of police
accountability, oversight and complaints redressal. Please visit
http://mha.nic.in/padc.htm for more details.
On 9/6/06, sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
staff. Nevertheless Christmas is celebrated in the workplace with the same
festive cheer and genuine goodwill that it is in any other part of the
country.
As is Onam in Kerala, by all communities, and that is not my point.
I write this to make the
At 18:10 06/09/2006, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:
On office expense. A company owned by a secular government. In which
case it should either celebrate all festivals equally (and therefore
have no time for work) or celebrate no festivals at all (which I
personally prefer).
or... admit to being
sastry wrote:
But please tell me, how can civil society get involved at this stage?
The draft is currently with the Drafting Committee, headed by Soli
Sorabjee. It is bound to be put up for comments from the public, once
the Government decides to start preparing for introducing in the
At 2006-09-06 18:35:20 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Rishab, why on earth do so many of your posts end up with the silklist
address mentioned twice in To:?
-- ams
shiv, i think you are conflating two rather different types of crime, and
of criminals. on the one hand, you rightly state that india has a high
level of corruption, and the rich and powerful can get away with
crime. law enforcement is clearly soft on the rich and powerful. to claim
_from
Those were just irritants. To behave stupidly, as our twelve heroes did,
in an international flight, during a particularly tense period, is
simply asking for it. I don't see what being Muslim has to do with it. I
think they could just as easily have been from some other corner of
India.
On Wed September 6 2006 10:26 pm, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote:
shiv, i think you are conflating two rather different types of crime, and
of criminals. on the one hand, you rightly state that india has a high
level of corruption, and the rich and powerful can get away with
crime. law enforcement
On Wed September 6 2006 10:05 pm, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote:
At 18:10 06/09/2006, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:
On office expense. A company owned by a secular government. In which
case it should either celebrate all festivals equally (and therefore
have no time for work) or celebrate no
Indrajit Gupta wrote:
You need to speak to my Dad, who's ex-IP (not IPS). Keep about
three hours in hand, though.
Indrajit Gupta
'Ramsharan', 396, TT Krishnamachari Road,
Teynampet,
Chennai 600 018.
+914455511138
+919884375777
Thanks for the tip. Will keep
On Thu September 7 2006 1:47 am, Badri Natarajan wrote:
But that's precisely the point - my problem is that I think the
authorities (both the airline staff and Dutch authorities) massively
overreacted - basically because these guys had brown skin. If the plane
had had 12 English football
Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:
Is it really possible that Indian TV broadcast someone confessing
under truth serum, or as they called it, narco-something?
Isn't this illegal and anyway not admissible in court?
So far, scopolamine / its more recent variants, and lie detector tests
(which
On 9/7/06, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So far, scopolamine / its more recent variants, and lie detector tests
(which the locals keep calling brain mapping) do seem to be admissible
as evidence.
From Wikipedia, on Scopolamine:
The use of scopolamine as a truth drug was
On Thu September 7 2006 8:59 am, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:
I'm curious - was this narcotest ordered by the government?
Ram everyone in India is now undergoing narcotests and it's all happeneing
here in Bangalore. What I find amazing is that the tapes are actually being
broadcast. Talk about
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:
So far, scopolamine / its more recent variants, and lie detector tests
(which the locals keep calling "brain mapping")
There are a lot of differences between the traditional lie-detector
test
On 9/5/06, sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:33:04 +0530From: sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [silk] security and choosing sidesTo: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8On Tue September 5 2006 8:22 am, Kragen
On Tue September 5 2006 5:32 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=593708page=31pp=15
Hey thanks for the link, The email (if genuine) basically corroborates what
was said when the 12 were interviewed on TV except the Al Qaeda in Africa
bit
shiv
On 9/5/06, sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By blindly being critical of anti-terrorist action some people in India are
weakening the people within and outside the security forces (in India) who
I may have missed some earlier posts, but has anyone on this list been
_blindly critical_ of
i think arbitrary detentions at airports
and in airplanes have been happening all the time, its just that we hear
about
them nowadays because many of the detentions
nowadays appear to be triggered by terror perceptions.
in 2000 i was stopped while entering
nairobi for carrying a 'day-of-dead
Hindu dominated India has some peculiar problems of its own resulting
in a
caste system of criminals. Certain criminals always get away, and
certain
people are always spared from terror. Certain people always get
incriminated
and another group always is at greatest risk from terror.
OK --
On Wed September 6 2006 2:00 am, Dave Long wrote:
Is it not preferable for innocents to get away, criminals to get
incriminated, and everyone to be spared from terror?
I don't think anyone can argue with this - which is the ideal situation.
But let me use this opportunity to try and explain
On Tue September 5 2006 8:43 pm, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:
On 9/5/06, sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I may have missed some earlier posts, but has anyone on this list been
_blindly critical_ of anything, ever?
Where did I say that anyone on this list has been blindly critical of
On 05/09/06, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/5/06, sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By blindly being critical of anti-terrorist action some people in India are
weakening the people within and outside the security forces (in India) who
I may have missed some earlier posts,
On 05/09/06, ashok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
apart from that, i have been detained for shorter durations both in india
and in another country in africa ...so i guess
the frequency of detentions is quite high.
Maybe you're just a suspicious looking character. :-)
I've never been hassled at
On Tue September 5 2006 8:43 pm, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:
I have worked for two large employers in India. One was a state-owned
life insurance company, with over a 100,000 employees. The other was a
family-owned business.
In both, every time a Hindu religious festival came around (which
On 9/6/06, sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But in India security agencies need to be able to work in an environment
unfettered by political interference and corruption so that known criminal
aand known crimianl activity can be curbed. For India the question of
Agreed. But any security agency,
Ram asks:
Thanks for articulating something so clearly that I have incoherently
been trying to get across to people for a while.
Thanks for the compliment. I think Amartya Sen's new book Identity and
Violence explains it better, and in a less incendiary manner, though.
Do you mind if I
On Tue September 5 2006 8:22 am, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
The point of my post is that you are
not, in fact, being forced to choose between unquestioning support of
whoever claims to be protecting you from terrorism and support for
terrorism itself; and that unquestioning support for
On 9/2/06, Kragen Javier Sitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you're confused about what the sides are.
...
stronger. So it's not a matter of siding with one ethnic group or
religious group against another; it's a matter of siding with
militarists (in both ethnic groups) against decent
On Sat September 2 2006 10:48 pm, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
Similarly, the BJP has persuaded large numbers of India's ordinary
Hindus to identify with them, to the point of sometimes getting elected
and perpetrating mass slaughter
Please allow me to nitpick. My intention is not to get into
At 2006-08-16 11:01:53 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is exactly why I said (I repeat): We the public have a duty to
choose which side we want to be on
I think you're confused about what the sides are.
As time goes on, we'll figure out what happened in this particular case:
were these
Kragen 'Javier' Sitaker? ;) I take it you're in South America? How're things? On 9/2/06, Kragen Javier Sitaker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:At 2006-08-16 11:01:53 +0530,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is exactly why I said (I repeat): We the public have a duty to choose which side we want to be onI
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