Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-22 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:57 PM, ss wrote: > Something is bound to give, sooner or later. This doesn't work very well for the industry either. When people are forced into doing something, they begin to hate their unjust lives, and in the process lose their capacity to act ethically because they i

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-22 Thread Sruthi Krishnan
> > Something is bound to give, sooner or later. Yes, the scenario is pretty much the same in TN. I went to a post-12th std career counselling fair organised by the paper I worked in. The first session was like watching a messiah in action. Parents and children in a packed auditorium looking up

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-22 Thread ss
On Thursday 22 Mar 2012 8:17:08 am Sruthi Krishnan wrote: > . I remember a discussion where we actually considered asking for > an on-call medical help for a team of roughly 20 people, largely 21- > 23-year-olds. Later, when I reported on technology I spoke to this guy > who would send all his clot

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-21 Thread Sruthi Krishnan
> I get the feeling that tens of thousands of young enthusiastic Indians have > been "had" and taken for a ride by the "Info tech" sector. All young Indians > join with their heads full of "Work is worship", "Duty first" stuff. If the > pay > is low they soon learn that work need not be worshiped

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-21 Thread Sriram ET.
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote: > You are right, that was a major reason, especially since home meant no A/C > and > internet, and in Chennai that meant something. > Hah! +1 to that :-)

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-21 Thread Sruthi Krishnan
> Were they all singles ? If you have a family and kids - then you have > to stick to a routine, and your life gets defined by it (not the > routine, but by the family) . Its mostly single men and women who do > long and extended hours...i.e. life defined by work. > In the team I was working with,

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-21 Thread ss
On Thursday 22 Mar 2012 2:42:39 am Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > There's no shortage of jobs that will turn you single if you let them. > I once worked in consulting where everyone with at least five years in > the firm was a divorcee, or a drunk or a serial credit card debtor or > all of them. When

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-21 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:04 PM, ashok _ wrote: > Were they all singles ? If you have a family and kids - then you have > to stick to a routine, and your life gets defined by it (not the > routine, but by the family) . Its mostly single men and women who do > long and extended hours...i.e. life d

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-21 Thread ashok _
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote: >> 2. Culture and such. Depends on the environment in your company or >> work place. Sometimes you need support from others to finish tasks >> asap. Any laxness on others part (for eg: late reviews, late >> discussions etc) makes it only toug

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-21 Thread Sriram ET.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:59 AM, John Sundman wrote: > Our father was a volunteer firefighter and I'm a volunteer firefighter. I > cannot imagine my wealthy brother joining his local department. I would > rather spend a weekend in a Massachusetts Firefighting Academy course about > hazardous ma

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-20 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Bharat Shetty wrote: > > Hmm, > > Nice article. I've been guilty of shooting beyond 40 hours a week > easily despite efforts to curb it. What efforts specifically? Desire is not effort of course, and while there can be exceptions for brief periods of time - once o

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-20 Thread Ashwin Nanjappa
Related: http://www.city-journal.org/html/11_1_ecstatic_capitalisms.html/ A 2001 long-form piece that examines the work culture of the dot-com community and gathers together many more related strands of how this is changing how we live. """ Allison Behr, the 29-year-old public-relations director

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-20 Thread Devdas Bhagat
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 08:12:34AM +0530, Sruthi Krishnan wrote: > > > > 2. Culture and such. Depends on the environment in your company or > > work place. Sometimes you need support from others to finish tasks > > asap. Any laxness on others part (for eg: late reviews, late > > discussions etc) ma

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-20 Thread Vinit Bhansali
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Sruthi Krishnan > wrote: > > > Recently, was talking to someone about my experiences managing a team > > in an IT firm. The established culture was to come at around 11 and > > then work late, till past mi

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-20 Thread Ramakrishna Reddy
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Bharat Shetty wrote: > > 2. Culture and such. Depends on the environment in your company or > work place. Sometimes you need support from others to finish tasks > asap. Any laxness on others part (for eg: late reviews, late > discussions etc) makes it only tougher

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread John Sundman
Sriram, Thank you for asking. Comments within. jrs On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Sriram ET. wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:15 PM, John Sundman wrote: > > But remember also, Data General was the place memorialized by Tracy Kidder in > his book Soul of a New Machine, which described pretty

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote: > Recently, was talking to someone about my experiences managing a team > in an IT firm. The established culture was to come at around 11 and > then work late, till past midnight. I showed up at 8.30 am, cajoled, > argued but nothing worked

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Sruthi Krishnan
> > 2. Culture and such. Depends on the environment in your company or > work place. Sometimes you need support from others to finish tasks > asap. Any laxness on others part (for eg: late reviews, late > discussions etc) makes it only tougher for you etc. Recently, was talking to someone about my

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Bharat Shetty
rry) > > -Original Message- > From: Udhay Shankar N > Sender: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:34:26 > To: > Reply-To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Subject: Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks? > > On Mon, Mar 19

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Sriram ET.
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:15 PM, John Sundman wrote: > But remember also, Data General was the place memorialized by Tracy Kidder > in his book Soul of a New Machine, which described pretty accurately both > the cynical manipulation of young computer engineers by management, along > the lines of

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Physically well rounded - certainly -- srs (blackberry) -Original Message- From: Udhay Shankar N Sender: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:34:26 To: Reply-To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks? On

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > I see pillars of individual identity like a stool with legs. The more legs > you have, the more stable the stool is. If you invest all your identity into > only one pillar, then what happens when it breaks away is the stool loses > bala

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread John Sundman
Early in my so-called career I used to work very long hours. At my first "real" job -- technical writer at computer maker Data General --it was because with no formal training in computer science, or programming, or technical writing, I really didn't know what the hell I was doing, and I was s

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote: > http://www.salon.com/2012/03/14/bring_back_the_40_hour_work_week/singleton/ > > Fun piece. > > "The rapacious new corporate ethic was summarized by two phrases: > “churn ‘em and burn ‘em” (a term that described Microsoft’s habit of > hiring

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote: > >> >> http://www.salon.com/2012/03/14/bring_back_the_40_hour_work_week/singleton/ >> > > I've done mostly under 40 hours per week for the last 3 years, it's been > undoubtedly goo

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote: > http://www.salon.com/2012/03/14/bring_back_the_40_hour_work_week/singleton/ > I've done mostly under 40 hours per week for the last 3 years, it's been undoubtedly good for me. It's all a question of compromises one is willing to make. I

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 07:31:45PM +0530, Sruthi Krishnan wrote: > Reminded me of the manager I encountered fresh out of college who > sincerely believed that staying at the workplace from 8 am to 10 pm is > a minimum requirement to build character. And as far as I know, IT > firms continue to liv

Re: [silk] Anyone who works 40-hour weeks?

2012-03-19 Thread Mahesh Murthy
I've cut down to working 4 days a week. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote: > http://www.salon.com/2012/03/14/bring_back_the_40_hour_work_week/singleton/ > > Fun piece. > > "The rapacious new corporate ethic was summarized by two phrases: > “churn ‘em and burn ‘em” (a term