Re: status fso for gta04?

2012-11-23 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2012/11/22 arne anka : > got my new gat04 a few days ago and want to get it running with debian again > (like my gta02 did). > pkg-fso seems to be pretty outdated compared to the git. > > is there a debian repository with recent fso packages? pkg-fso has almost nothing that wouldn't be already in

Re: Newbie Question on Debian Install

2012-05-30 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2012/5/30 Timo Juhani Lindfors : >> 2) assume the one used in >> http://people.debian.org/~timo/NeoFreeRunner/Debian_NeoFreeRunner_minimalrootfs_20120321.tar.xz > > I assume this has linux-image-2.6.34-openmoko-gta02 20101212.git049b71de-2 Yes. -Timo _

Re: Newbie Question on Debian Install

2012-05-29 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Just a couple of quick, possibly easy answers: 2012/5/29 Emil Tchekov : > after spending many hours in trying to install Debian on my Neo via > script (failed every time on SD Card partitioning). > > /*I assume that my particular Neo has problems with his microSD > interface - since I have tested

Re: debian + phoneui-apps

2012-04-02 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2012/4/2 Brendon Schumacker : > Unfortunately it seems I have killed my openmoko from playing with it > too much.  Perhaps you have some advice for this? > > I can not start the phone with the regular power button anymore, it > might show a red light for a moment on the aux button, but then it > di

Re: debian + phoneui-apps

2012-03-27 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2012/3/26 Timo Jyrinki : > However, after that I get an Enlightenment complaint about not being > able to create a new window for each of the same apps that complained > about the D-Bus interface earlier. phoneui-apps apparently is missing some dependency, filed bug #665951. After insta

Re: debian + phoneui-apps

2012-03-26 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2012/3/26 Brendon Schumacker : > I have phoneui-apps install, and I have both XFCE4 and e17 installed > and working fine, but they can't open Dialer, Contacts, etc.  When I > try phoneui-dialer at the cli I get: > > Error: No such interface `org.shr.phoneui.Dialer' on object at path > /org/shr/phon

Re: [Debian] Preinstalled minimal image available for Neo FreeRunner

2012-03-21 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/9/12 Timo Jyrinki : > Just to let you know, that since I tested that install.sh [1] is > working now, I'm making available a snapshot of a minimal Debian > installation since I had a clean install anyway [2] - see file > "Debian_NeoFreeRunner_minimalrootfs_20110912.ta

[Debian] Preinstalled minimal image available for Neo FreeRunner

2011-09-12 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Hi, Just to let you know, that since I tested that install.sh [1] is working now, I'm making available a snapshot of a minimal Debian installation since I had a clean install anyway [2] - see file "Debian_NeoFreeRunner_minimalrootfs_20110912.tar.xz". The only additional thing that was done was apt

Re: openmoko neo --- Debian install from scratch now works

2011-09-09 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/8/27 Timo Jyrinki : > I updated the install.sh now with the xorg.conf in e.waelde's post: ...but xserver-xorg-video-glamo wasn't being installed, which lindi now fixed. Thanks. -Timo ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartph

Re: [Shr-User] [Community Updates] 2011-09-01 issue is out

2011-09-01 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/9/1 Simon Busch : > Thats not correct. Aurora is not only a new UI based on the FSO2 > middleware. It is a distribution too and is not based on SHR! Aurora > will be the default development base for FSO in the near future as we > need to target the needs of a user and for that we need to devel

[Community Updates] 2011-09-01 issue is out

2011-08-31 Thread Timo Jyrinki
News *** Most important and change making mails on the mailing lists, blogs etc.. Coolest hacks, screenshots, themes etc.. - Tiago Vaz blogged about his VoIP setup in Neo FreeRunner: http://tiagovaz.org/posts/VoIP_in_Neo_Freerunner_with_Qtmoko_and_Linphone/ - Timo Jyrinki blogged about fre

Re: openmoko neo --- Debian install from scratch now works

2011-08-27 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/8/18 Roland Mas : >  I'd suggest an extra step (unless Timo has updated the install.sh > again): take the xorg.conf listed at > http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2010/12/29/14355 > and substitute "glamo" with "fbdev" in there, otherwise the X server > will start eating your

Re: [Debian] install from scratch: partial success

2011-08-24 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/8/24 e.waelde : > This sounds like more adventure :-) > I still have navit not draw a map ... :-( I know the feeling with navit. Hopefully this helps: 1. Edit /etc/navit/navit.xml 2. Find the (note that I like North-oriented map so that I actually get a sense of directions myself, change or

Re: [Debian] install from scratch: partial success

2011-08-24 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/8/24 e.waelde : > summary: installing Debian (sid,experimental) from scratch works > such that the new installation boots. X can be started, touch screen > works, however: trayer icons are dead, zhone does not connect to > fso-usaged, therefore (?) zhone does not request the PIN, POW and AUX >

Re: openmoko neo --- Debian install from scratch now works

2011-08-17 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/8/17 Timo Juhani Lindfors : > Timo Jyrinki writes: >> 6. Get a bit more software manually: apt-get install foxtrotgps gpsd >> navit midori wicd lxterminal xorg zhone/experimental >> python-ecore/experimental python-edje/experimental >> python-evas/experimental zho

Re: openmoko neo --- Debian install from scratch now works (was: fails)

2011-08-17 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/7/20 e.waelde : > as of yesterday evening, installing a neo from scratch fails. I compiled again the 2.6.34 kernel yesterday evening, and uploaded it and got it finally properly into pkg-fso repository where as the working kernel used to linger in the incoming directory because of a few repre

Re: [Debian] install from scratch failed with my particular micro SD cards

2011-08-07 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/8/3 Steffen Möller : > I feel with you. Same here. > It may sound silly, but try finding some 2GB or even smaller > ones and try again. I don't think the size matters. I have a couple of 8GB cards working just fine. Some time ago I resetted the compatibility chart in the wiki so that there

Re: openmoko neo --- install from scratch fails

2011-07-30 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/7/20 e.waelde > b. > However, zhone cannot be installed, which leave the system > in a fairly unusable (for me) state: Have you tried the new zhone 0-git20110224+6bcb7fc4-1 from experimental? Unfortunately it relies on newer Python E17 bindings (python-ecore, python-edje, python-evas) that a

Re: About QtMoko future (and Qt Extended -> Qt in general)

2011-05-08 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/5/7 Joif : > But to date, I have not a clear vision about the current situation and the > future of QtMoko, so I want to ask some questions to developers. I'm a Debian developer, but not QtMoko developer. I feel though that I can answer some of the questions from my perspective. > 1) QtMoko

[Community Updates] 2011-05-01 issue is out

2011-05-03 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Newest community update now available at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2011-05-01 and plain text version below. This issue was brought to you by: * Hns * Nhv * Psonek * TimoJyrinki ( as usual, you can help out with the next issue at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Update

[Debian] 2.6.37 kernel available (and about the touch screen X driver problem)

2011-04-28 Thread Timo Jyrinki
reen-eve.patch * Adjust Maintainer and Uploaders -- Timo Jyrinki Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:22:36 +0300 linux-2.6-openmoko (20101212.git049b71de-1) pkg-fso; urgency=low * Merge from qtmoko-v31 - Kernel 2.6.34.7 - Integrated GPS suspend patch, resume reason patch - Dumb battery support * Disabl

Re: Debian on Freerunner, install.sh fails

2011-04-26 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/4/26 Frank Jäger : > Second attempt now boots Debian from the uSD-Card but I see no Gui but a > TTY-login-prompt. That is quite useless without a keypad. > > On a SSH-connect I looked up what's the problem: > > $ apt-get install zhone-illume-glue > > The following packages have unmet dependenc

Re: Debian on Freerunner, install.sh fails

2011-04-23 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/4/23 Frank Jäger : > Hallo, > I tried to install a Debian on the uSD-Card of my Freerunner. > I followed: > > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner#Current_Status_of_Installation_via_install.sh > > This end up with: You could try also changing the line 1033 in install.sh, from "experiment

[Community Updates] 2011-02-01 issue is out!

2011-01-31 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Newest community update now available at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2011-02-01 and plain text version below. This issue was brought to you by: - Toams - Hns - PaulWise - Ssam - TimoJyrinki ( as usual, you can help out with the next issue at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Comm

[Community Updates] 2010-12-01 issue is out!

2010-12-01 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Newest community update now available at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-12-01 and plain text version below. This issue was brought to you by: - Toams - Valos - TimoJyrinki ( as usual, you can help out with the next issue at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Dr

[Community Updates] 2010-11-01 is out!

2010-11-01 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Hi, Newest community update now available at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-11-01 and plain text version below. In addition to myself, the latest edition was brought to you by: - Hns - Rohezal - PaulWise - Vanous ( as usual, you can help out with the next edition at http://

[Community Updates] 2010-09-01 is out

2010-09-01 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Hi, Newest community update now available at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-09-01 and plain text version below. In addition to myself the latest edition was brought to you by: - Sre - Leadman - Toams ( as usual, you can help out with the next edition at http://wiki.openmoko

Re: newbie question on install.sh

2010-08-19 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2010/8/18 Emil Tchekov : > On my FreeRunner GTA02 A7 install.sh breaks on as I assume "debian > stage" - more particular line 920 on mkdir /etc with I/O error. I agree with the other Timo, probably a problem with the SD card. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner#SDCard - the troubleshooti

[Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out

2010-08-04 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Hi, Newest community update now available at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-08-01 and simplified text version below. Thanks for the latest edition to: - Martix - Sre - Hns - TimoJyrinki - Cmair ( as usual, you can help out with the next edition at http://wiki.openmoko.org/w

Re: [debian] Starting gsm0710muxd

2010-07-28 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2010/7/28 Visti Andresen : > Perhaps it is a dbus timeout problem? > I can not remember the exact description of the issue only that there > were some issues with dbus and timeouts. I've mainly had the problem that if I start Zhone too early, the registration fails. If I do sleep 15 or something i

Re: Netbook Launcher EFL on FreeRunner for launching applications

2010-05-07 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2010/5/7 Vinzenz Hersche : > hey, wow, looks nice :) > > could you pack this to a image/tar? Sure. http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/netbook-launcher-efl/. Both debs and tar.gz:s created with alien. Zero guarantees, dependencies look to be: libeina, libecore, libevas, libeet, libedje, libelementa

Netbook Launcher EFL on FreeRunner for launching applications

2010-05-06 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Hi, I compiled Ubuntu's Enlightenment version of their Netbook Launcher on FreeRunner, and it's working relatively nicely! My main problem is the green background :P http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/netbook_launcher_efl_on_freerunner.png Has anyone else tried it out? Or just feel free to jump

Re: [debian] 2010-03-25 installation from scratch

2010-03-26 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2010/3/26 e.waelde : > 2010-03-25   Installing debian from scratch on openmoko freerunner Great report! You also found some same issues I did in my guide at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:TimoJyrinki My installation itself also went problem-free, although I found out there are some MicroSD ca

[Debian] "Timo's Debian" instructions available for Neo FreeRunner

2010-03-24 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Hi, Setting up my second FreeRunner, I took time to find out and document how I ended up with my current Debian setup in use (or close to something like it) and cleaned up my configs while at it. This information might be interesting to beginning Debian / Neo users, who may find the default Debian

Re: [fso-gsmd] N900 support

2010-03-20 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2010/3/19 Sebastian Reichel : > That sounds interesting :) If I got it right you plan to create a > new Distribution for N900 using the normal Debian archive and an > additional repository containing the stuff from Nokia? Indeed interesting, moebian sounds quite a bit like pkg-fso team+repo for Ne

Re: [debian] Latest xserver 1.7 and touch screen problems

2010-01-11 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2010/1/11 arne anka : > but yesterday i broke my X on my _local_ computer by upgrading debian/sid. > beside others i noticed (after X was starting again) that the mouse pointer > was always drawn to the center of the screen, ie when moving the mouse it > jumped back like a rubber band. Hmm, intere

[debian] Latest xserver 1.7 and touch screen problems

2010-01-10 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Hi, Is anyone able to figure out what's going on with the new xserver and touch screen? Seems like events are created somehow wrong when pressing down on the screen and moving, causing flickering and jumping of items. Even typing on virtual keyboard somehow gets ghost events from wrong places. Yo

Re: Newer kernel Debian package

2010-01-08 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2010/1/8 Timo Jyrinki : > http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=andy-tracking > > + the debug & pre-empt disabling which has just been discussed on the > kernel list and improves performance considerably: And (from IRC) probably set CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED* to &quo

Re: Newer kernel Debian package

2010-01-08 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2010/1/6 Sebastian Reichel : > But if somebody sends me a matching .config file AND the link to the > correct git repository I can make a kernel package with make-kpkg. http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=andy-tracking + the debug & pre-empt disabling which has just been discussed

Re: unreliable resume

2009-12-30 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/12/14 arne anka : > i still experience more or less reliable problems with phone functionality > (at least, that's what i notice). > i resume the fr and i can't make calls. This is why I still use Debian testing's versions of fso-frameworkd and gsm0710muxd, like I reported a bit earlier. The

Re: [Debian] Re: Touchscreen not working

2009-12-25 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/12/25 Timo Jyrinki : > I'm now having this same problem after I rebooted my Debian. Could the > hal 0.5.14 update have caused the problem? So it seems, downgrading hal packages to 0.5.13-6 solved this touch screen problem for

Re: [Debian] Re: Touchscreen not working

2009-12-25 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/12/23 Steven Jones : > touchscreen behavior is the same: when I touch the screen when it's dim (but > not black) it becomes bright, but doesn't respond otherwise to touching the > screen. I'm now having this same problem after I rebooted my Debian. Could the hal 0.5.14 update have caused the

Re: [debian] User experiences on fso-frameworkd and fso-config-gta02 in pkg-fso vs. those in Debian testing

2009-12-15 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/12/16 Neil Jerram : > I'm afraid I don't have much hard data to offer, but I appreciate your > description of possible combinations, and I have a few comments. No problem really, it's more about gathering experiences in general anyway. Forgot to add, but in my 1. configuration I "of course"

[debian] User experiences on fso-frameworkd and fso-config-gta02 in pkg-fso vs. those in Debian testing

2009-12-15 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Hi, There has been some discussion in other threads, but I'd like to hear user experiences on this subject specifically, which is using packages from squeeze exclusively vs. using newer packages from pkg-fso. I'm mostly using plain Debian main repository with linux-openmoko kernel from pkg-fso (or

Re: xserver-xorg-video-glamo stability

2009-12-10 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/12/9 Timo Juhani Lindfors : > Hi Timo, Having me in To: field would have helped :) > you mentioned today that the glamo driver has been stable. Is your > setup latest andy-tracking with xserver-xorg-video-glamo > 0.0.0+20090707.git98c012f7-1+b1 from Debian unstable or something > different?

Re: How to use fso-usaged?

2009-12-09 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/12/9 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer : >> dbus-send --type=method_call --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.ogsmd >> /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.Resource.Resume > > Is there any compelling reason why you don't use the recommended way to > suspend an FSO-based software stack... such

Re: How to use fso-usaged?

2009-12-09 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/12/9 Timo Jyrinki : > is for some reason waking up by itself quite often Silly me, and thanks lindi. I forgot and forgot to say power button stopped working for me on upgrade, so I bound suspend with keylaunch to power button. Obviously I used too straight suspend mechanism. Looks l

Re: How to use fso-usaged?

2009-12-09 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/12/7 Timo Jyrinki : > It still needed a second run of zhone to ask for the PIN code. But now > GSM + GPS seem all functional, and using the Hot New stuff ie. > fso-usaged and fso-abyss.. With pkg-fso's fso-frameworkd, fso-config-gta02 and fso-abyss my phone is for some reaso

Re: navit & debian

2009-12-08 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/12/8 A.A. > Why navit on debian is much more slow that shr? A good question, if it's indeed so (are you running the latest update svn2755 from 9 days ago?). There is: ifeq ($(DEB_HOST_ARCH), armel) CONFFLAGS += --enable-avoid-float endif in debian/rules, so at least that part should be c

Re: How to use fso-usaged?

2009-12-06 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/12/4 Gilles Filippini : > # This one is OK > log_level = INFO Thanks. I've (semi)working configuration now, changing the following from pkg-fso shipped: - log_level = INFO - ti_calypso_muxer = fso-abyss - opimd disabled=1 - log_to = file (/tmp is tmpfs) Additionally I've set deep_sleep to ne

Re: How to use fso-usaged?

2009-11-30 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/11/30 Gilles Filippini : >>> [fsousage] >>> lowlevel_type = openmoko >>> >>> [fsousage.lowlevel_openmoko] >>> [fsousage.dbus_service] > > It works fine this way. Likewise, though required starting Zhone twice since the first round gave "couldn't get authentication" or something, ie. didn't as

Re: How to use fso-usaged?

2009-11-29 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/11/29 Nikita V. Youshchenko : >> tried changing to fso-usaged by putting something like: >> > [ousaged] >> > disable = 1 >> >> log file shows lines like this: >> > 2009.11.29 11:22:12.536 frameworkd.resource  WARNING  Can't register >> > resource GSM since ousaged is not present. Enabling devi

Re: [debian] 2009-09-18 install from scratch: stage apt fails on dropbear restart

2009-09-19 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/9/18 e.waelde : > # opkg install perl Ha! This was missing from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner - added. Thanks for battling your way through. I also linked to your post (success report with 1 workaround needed). -Timo ___ Smartphones-us

Re: [Debian] intone and neon now in pkg-fso repository

2009-09-13 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/9/14 Sebastian Reichel : > I just uploaded intone and neon to the pkg-fso repository. Great work! I compiled intone myself and I'm using with a mplayer compiled with tremor support. The combination rocks. Now they could also be put to actual Debian repository. I'm actually nowadays using onl

Re: [debian] 2009-08-28 install from scratch: Internal error: install

2009-08-29 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/8/29 Johannes Schauer : > short summary: > we will be able to cdebootstrap again once dpkg 1.15.4 is offcially > released which should happen in the next few weeks. Meanwhile, is there any way to install Debian on the FreeRunner, to give users a tip? Even http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_

Re: GTA02 default GSM call volume

2009-07-29 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/7/28 Lionel Elie Mamane : >> If you're making Neo <-> Neo calls, checking the other's mic settings >> might help. > No, these are to-PSTN or to-other-GSM calls. Right. In that case the settings I mentioned and committed do not indeed apply, since they only affect the mic settings. Ie. how wel

Re: GTA02 default GSM call volume

2009-07-27 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/7/26, Lionel Elie Mamane : > I (and Joachim Breitner) find the default call volume rather low in > zhone. This patch sets it to maximum, which I still find good only for > rather quiet situations. Is the hardware just limited that way, or > does anybody know of another of the 100+ ALSA setting

Re: [debian 2.6.28|29 xserver-xorg-video-glamo] wsod when xserver stops

2009-07-17 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/7/16 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak : >> since i installed 'xserver-xorg-video-glamo' instead 'xserver- >> xglamo', every 2nd (or so) time >> i try to shutdown/reboot i get a WSOD when x11 stops. >> has someone an idea what i should do? > > Wait for upgrade. It's already fixed AFAIK. Indeed. I've run

Re: Deprecating xserver-glamo (was: Recording from headset when pressing headset button

2009-07-07 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/6/24 Luca Capello : > The major problem here is that we need too many extra stuff: a new > kernel, a new libdrm and then a new xf86-video-glamo.  Moreover, since > libdrm is already in Debian main, we should coordinate any new package > upload with its maintainer. If it gets ready this is all

Re: Deprecating xserver-glamo (was: Recording from headset when pressing headset button

2009-06-15 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/6/14 Luca Capello : >        [...] [--rotate orientation] [...] >        [-o orientation] [...] > > Since xf86-video-glamo claims to be RandR 1.2 compatible, the --rotate > option must work as well, which is not the case. Ah, no wonder I was puzzled about "rotations not working". Yes indeed p

Re: Deprecating xserver-glamo (was: Recording from headset when pressing headset button

2009-06-14 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/6/12 Luca Capello : >          This is a workaround for a Xglamo bug. This should be fixed >          in Xglamo and not in kernel space. > >          If unsure, say N. > > Can this be related to ? Not directly. I heard from Lindi that having that workaround not

Re: [Debian] 2.6.29 kernel

2009-06-14 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/6/14 Luca Capello : >> The problem itself is described (incl. fix) at ext4 mailinglist: >> http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-ext4/2009/1/20/4774074/thread > From my quick view, it seems that the fix is not yet included in > upstream Linux kernel, but I could be wrong. It was actually in

Re: Deprecating xserver-glamo (was: Recording from headset when pressing headset button

2009-06-12 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/6/11 Timo Juhani Lindfors : >> CONFIG_MFD_GLAMO_FB_XGLAMO_WORKAROUND=n to Debian's config.gta02? > > Why change the config? You can disable this workaround at runtime > too. Just put that to init.d/xdm? Well if it's wrong to do in the kernel anyway it'd be more correct to disable it in the ke

Deprecating xserver-glamo (was: Recording from headset when pressing headset button

2009-06-11 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/6/9 Luca Capello : > Nothing is ready, because I need to tag the upstream version as well. Would it be too early to "deprecate" xserver-glamo in favor of xserver-xorg-video-glamo by adding also CONFIG_MFD_GLAMO_FB_XGLAMO_WORKAROUND=n to Debian's config.gta02? Generally I have at least no mor

Re: Recording from headset when pressing headset button

2009-06-09 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/6/8 Luca Capello : >  http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=23b564c9d22cc5e442361e632626d5f131c40752 The last commit from four hours ago regarding GPS power management seems pretty neat, and could be included unless you have already everything ready for an upload with the previ