Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Ludovic BOCQUET
Hi all, There was a bugtracker (JIRA) some years ago, I participated on it. Cheers, BOCQUET Ludovic Le 01/09/2014 16:06, edhelas a écrit : > Hi, > > I'm currently looking at our official Wiki (https://wiki.xmpp.org/) > and there's a couple of things that need to be cleaned. > > On the main page

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Dave Cridland
On 2 September 2014 21:43, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: > Personally, I think the value of tracking tools is overrated. But guess > I've been exposed to far too many trackers full of dozens of open issues > which no body has a real plan to address. That said, I don't object to one > being deployed so l

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:07 PM, edhelas wrote: > So, do we decide something for the next meeting ? > I don't want to forgot this thing… one more time. Forget what? I thought we had consensus before use of an external git repo would be limited. I don't quite understand why that should be revisi

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Kevin Smith
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:07 PM, edhelas wrote: > So, do we decide something for the next meeting ? > I don't want to forgot this thing… one more time. We really need a new tool > to track our issues so let's do it ! The Editors are going to discuss if the proposal works for them. If they're happy

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread edhelas
So, do we decide something for the next meeting ? I don't want to forgot this thing… one more time. We really need a new tool to track our issues so let's do it ! On mar., sept. 2, 2014 at 4:18 , Kurt Zeilenga wrote: On Sep 2, 2014, at 5:56 AM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: On Sep 2, 2014, at

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
On Sep 2, 2014, at 5:56 AM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: > > On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > >> I don't know if Kurt would refuse to > > As I do XEP work as an employee, it's a personal decision. I'd have to ask > my employer, which I'm not going to until it become necessary. ^

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 02.09.2014 14:08, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM, edhelas wrote: >> - This bugtracker have to run with GIT (because the current XMPP repo is on >> GIT) > > That would be the most convenient thing. Since when do bugtracker run with git? Are you talking about how github h

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > I don't know if Kurt would refuse to As I do XEP work as an employee, it's a personal decision. I'd have to ask my employer, which I'm not going to until it become necessary. I note that I would note to my employer that there's always the op

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Holger Weiß
* Goffi [2014-09-02 13:11]: > The data is blocked on the server: is there an easy way to dump everything > (and I mean everything: bug reports, comments, pull requests, etc) and reuse > it without legal restriction ? Dunno about the legal thing, but yes, a JSON dump of the data can easily¹ be gra

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Edwin Mons
On 02/09/14 14:08, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM, edhelas wrote: >> Ok, so, to sum-up a little bit the discussion : >> - We all agree that we need a bugtracker to manage the issues related to >> each XEP > I haven't seen much objection to this, as long as it's going to get u

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Kevin Smith
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM, edhelas wrote: > Ok, so, to sum-up a little bit the discussion : > - We all agree that we need a bugtracker to manage the issues related to > each XEP I haven't seen much objection to this, as long as it's going to get used. > - This bugtracker have to run with G

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread edhelas
Ok, so, to sum-up a little bit the discussion : - We all agree that we need a bugtracker to manage the issues related to each XEP - This bugtracker have to run with GIT (because the current XMPP repo is on GIT) - This bugtracker have to be open-source and deployable on a server that the XSF can

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Goffi
On 02/09/2014 11:50, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: OK, you're the one. And a lot of people here want github. And seems like the argument is still the same "all-proprietary-trendy-shiny-things", i.e. no arguments. Proprietary. So what? Trendy-shiny. And? I realize that not everybody here use XMPP for

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Ashley Ward
On 2 Sep 2014, at 11:28, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Ashley Ward wrote: >> I can imagine a world of fairies and unicorns where (for example) we have an >> (openid enabled) gitlab, sufficiently automated that we have a repo per xep >> which is writable by the authors,

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Ashley Ward
On 2 Sep 2014, at 11:29, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Ashley Ward wrote: >>> I think there are enough people talking about his that we could add this to >>> discuss as a summit agenda item. >> >> Such discussion sho

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Kevin Smith
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Ashley Ward wrote: >> I think there are enough people talking about his that we could add this to >> discuss as a summit agenda item. > > Such discussion should really happen on-list, not at the summit. I'll re

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Kevin Smith
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Ashley Ward wrote: > I can imagine a world of fairies and unicorns where (for example) we have an > (openid enabled) gitlab, sufficiently automated that we have a repo per xep > which is writable by the authors, but anyone can raise issues and pull > requests ag

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Kevin Smith
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Ashley Ward wrote: > I think there are enough people talking about his that we could add this to > discuss as a summit agenda item. Such discussion should really happen on-list, not at the summit. /K

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Ashley Ward
On 2 Sep 2014, at 07:54, Cramer, E.R. (Eelco) wrote: > At my office I run a gitlab server that we use for our projects. > > Both the hosted gitlab at http://gitlab.com as a self hosted instance of the > gitlab community edition support multiple ways of signing up (using an openid > account, a

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Ashley Ward
On 2 Sep 2014, at 09:17, Kevin Smith wrote: > There's an assumption running through a lot of posts in this thread > that moving to a github-like pull request model would be a good thing. > Our situation is somewhat different to the typical OSS project hosting > on github. The primary responsibili

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Dave Cridland
On 2 September 2014 11:05, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: > Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:57:44 +0100 > Dave Cridland wrote: > > > Just because you disagree with the argument does not make it invalid. > > Even though it's valid it doesn't mean it outweighs other arguments. > > No, but nor can you just ignore it.

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:58:38 +0100 Dave Cridland wrote: > So your argument is that if the procedure doesn't fit the tool, we > should change the procedure? Sure, why not.

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:57:44 +0100 Dave Cridland wrote: > Just because you disagree with the argument does not make it invalid. Even though it's valid it doesn't mean it outweighs other arguments. > I do follow the concept that a decentralized open protocol using a > centralized proprietary tool is

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Dave Cridland
On 2 September 2014 10:56, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: > Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:17:05 +0100 > Kevin Smith wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Cramer, E.R. (Eelco) > > wrote: > > > So it is very well possible to host a service with the same > > > features people love at github. > > > > There's

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Dave Cridland
On 2 September 2014 10:50, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: > Tue, 02 Sep 2014 09:58:41 +0200 > Goffi wrote: > > > You can name and shame me if you want, 'cause I'm definitely in the > > against github-and-all-proprietary-trendy-shiny-things camp. > > OK, you're the one. And a lot of people here want git

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:17:05 +0100 Kevin Smith wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Cramer, E.R. (Eelco) > wrote: > > So it is very well possible to host a service with the same > > features people love at github. > > There's an assumption running through a lot of posts in this thread > that mo

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:17:05 +0100 Kevin Smith wrote: > On the issue tracker front: Having an issue tracker is sensible, if > people (both the submitters and the people who need to handle the > issues) want one. We set one up years ago, and it fell into disuse so > it's no longer running. I don't see

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Tue, 02 Sep 2014 09:58:41 +0200 Goffi wrote: > You can name and shame me if you want, 'cause I'm definitely in the > against github-and-all-proprietary-trendy-shiny-things camp. OK, you're the one. And a lot of people here want github. And seems like the argument is still the same "all-propriet

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Kevin Smith
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Cramer, E.R. (Eelco) wrote: > So it is very well possible to host a service with the same features people > love at github. There's an assumption running through a lot of posts in this thread that moving to a github-like pull request model would be a good thing. Ou

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Goffi
On 02/09/2014 09:53, Goffi wrote: G'day On 01/09/2014 21:43, Dave Cridland wrote: Not all our contributors currently will use github. Yes that's my case: I haven't a github account, and I definitely don't want one. Actually I think it would be a shame to use that for XMPP as it is the exact o

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Goffi
On 01/09/2014 23:26, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 22:03:43 +0100 Dave Cridland wrote: See Kurt's comment as to one possible reason why. I use it for both work and pleasure; I'm more in the camp of wanting to avoid a proprietary outsourced lockin for a core concern. I don't mind a m

Re: [Standards] Cleaning the Wiki

2014-09-02 Thread Goffi
G'day On 01/09/2014 21:43, Dave Cridland wrote: Not all our contributors currently will use github. Yes that's my case: I haven't a github account, and I definitely don't want one. Actually I think it would be a shame to use that for XMPP as it is the exact opposite values: proprietary, cent