[Standards] Fwd: Re: [Simple] SIMPLE chat: Internationalization and normalization of nicknames

2012-03-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
: Re: [Simple] SIMPLE chat: Internationalization and normalization of nicknames Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:26:00 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im To: Ben Campbell b...@nostrum.com CC: Simple WG sim...@ietf.org On 3/1/12 3:12 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:55 PM

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 Session handling

2012-02-29 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2/28/12 11:28 PM, Gunnar Hellström wrote: Returning to the initial question of this thread: Is there a common way to indicate session start and session end. Peter Saint-Andre skrev 2012-02-29 04:20: Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean you

Re: [Standards] Pubsub: Item Publisher again.

2012-02-29 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
because it describes another behavior of the attribute and not switching it on or off. Right. We need to define the configuration option for this. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

[Standards] Obsoleting XEP-0130 (Waiting Lists)

2012-02-29 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
to change the status of XEP-0130 to Obsolete. If you have any concerns about this action, please post to this list by March 16, 2012. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] Pubsub to atom mapping :)

2012-02-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/28/12 1:56 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: On 02/28/2012 06:36 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 2/27/12 12:36 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: The other thing here is linking: atom:link needs attributes ref and href, but href usually points to the atom feed at all and ref points to the specific entry

Re: [Standards] long specs

2012-02-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2/27/12 4:02 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 2/15/12 1:07 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 2/15/12 12:48 PM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I'd be willing to work on this, but I want to make sure

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 Session handling

2012-02-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-0085. However, if we really really need formal management then I would suggest using Jingle. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 Session handling

2012-02-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
provides a mechanism for a client to detect whether the remote client has RTT support, before transmitting outgoing unsolicited rtt. Mark, the model you're searching for is what we use in XEP-0085. Please take a look at the text there and see if you can re-use it for RTT. Peter -- Peter Saint

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 Session handling

2012-02-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/28/12 6:13 PM, Mark Rejhon wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im mailto:stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On 2/28/12 4:47 PM, Mark Rejhon wrote: [snip] *Use Case Example #1:* Alice messages Bob. Alice enables real-time text

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 Session handling

2012-02-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/28/12 7:33 PM, Mark Rejhon wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im mailto:stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: I'm suggesting that you use a model similar to XEP-0085 -- if the other side advertises it (disco/caps), send the first message with some kind

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 Session handling

2012-02-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Hi Florian! On 2/28/12 7:42 PM, Florian Zeitz wrote: Am 29.02.2012 03:02, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: On 2/28/12 6:13 PM, Mark Rejhon wrote: *[To Discuss] Matter of negotiation of activation of RTT feature* /However/, XEP-0085 doesn't answer the question of an appropriate negotiation model

Re: [Standards] XEP-0301 Session handling

2012-02-28 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
be mentioned in XEP-0301, and therefore relevant discussion Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean you need an explicit negotiation protocol. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] long specs

2012-02-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2/15/12 1:07 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 2/15/12 12:48 PM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I'd be willing to work on this, but I want to make sure that people think there's value in doing so

Re: [Standards] Pubsub to atom mapping :)

2012-02-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
atom:id in payload at all since it's confusing to have two identities that means the same thing. How to address the entry then? Thanks for your attentions, I hope that I was clear enough. Have a good weekend, btw. :) -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

[Standards] obsoleting XEP-0130 (Waiting Lists)?

2012-02-23 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As far as I have been able to determine, the technology defined in XEP-0130 (Waiting Lists) is obsolete. I plan to raise the issue of obsoleting the spec itself in the next XMPP Council meeting. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im

[Standards] Fwd: Re: [jdev] XEP 0172 in MUCs

2012-02-21 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
development list j...@jabber.org On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: Hallo Thijs, On 1/4/12 10:26 AM, Thijs Alkemade wrote: Hello, As a client developer, I'm a bit confused about how XEP 0172 (User Nickname) is intended to be used with MUCs. From the XEP

Re: [Standards] Pubsub: override item id when publish

2012-02-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2/17/12 4:50 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: On 02/15/2012 11:52 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Hi Sergey, Hello again. On 2/15/12 9:15 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: So I suggest to add to 7.1.2 that client MUST always check if service has changed

[Standards] long specs

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
separately about XEP-0060. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk873LEACgkQNL8k5A2w/vyESgCg8yF0UCmUj4ByeRX5f4jrkmc7 Ar4AoIbq3BRwQN1Xaf2oUQP5rtLK

Re: [Standards] long specs

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2/15/12 9:35 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed Feb 15 16:26:25 2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: We have two really long specs: XEP-0045 and XEP-0060. In the XMPP Council meeting just now, we talked about some ways to shorten these documents

Re: [Standards] Pubsub: override item id when publish

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
or setting a resourcepart when logging in: the server has the right to change the identifier that was provided by the user. So I think this is something we should fix when we revise XEP-0060 later this year. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: [Standards] long specs

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
:38:27 2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: a) I'd like to be able to have stable and working copies of the same spec, particularly for major revisions like XEP-0045 is currently going through. I think this is a matter of best practices for how the spec authors work, i.e., placing interim

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 nick changes

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/15/12 5:01 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Tue Feb 14 04:09:45 2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 1/24/12 2:58 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: I recall - ages ago - that we were going to, at one point, mention that if you change your nickname, you should send unavailable persence after the change

Re: [Standards] long specs

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2/15/12 12:48 PM, Kurt Zeilenga wrote: On Feb 15, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I'd be willing to work on this, but I want to make sure that people think there's value in doing so. Personally, I not sure what I hate more

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 nick changes

2012-02-14 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
slightly unrealistic, if they haven't been doing it up till now. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] comments on XEP-0289

2012-02-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2/7/12 10:56 PM, Curtis King wrote: On 2012-02-07, at 6:10 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: At the XMPP Summit, I finally had a chance to chat with Kevin Smith about XEP-0289, and on the plane back from Brussels I've reviewed that spec in more

Re: [Standards] Status of XEP 0075

2012-02-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
for free in various libraries, so it might be worth a closer look. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] Jingle specification bug - missing error condition

2012-02-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/26/12 10:29 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 1/26/12 9:18 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 1/26/12 4:53 AM, Ben Langfeld wrote: Gentlemen, I believe I have found a minor bug in XEP-0166, as follows: 1) An example states that a security-required/ error element be included in a response

Re: [Standards] Response Stream Namespace Qualification

2012-02-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
behavioral implications (e.g., return an error if the streams are not qualified consistently)? Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk850mcACgkQNL8k5A2w

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115 Feedback

2012-02-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
cause such issues, nor am I the first person to have such complaints :) Sure, rant away! ;-) Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 nick changes

2012-02-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
nickname too - and will eventually have to send an unavailable anyway. Well, the server could do that immediately (when it accepts the nick change), no? Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] MAM

2012-02-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
the XMPP Council considers it for acceptance as a XEP? Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] MAM

2012-02-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/10/12 2:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 10 February 2012 21:09, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On 2/10/12 12:01 PM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 15:09 +0700, Sergey Dobrov wrote: On 01/12/2012 01:41 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 17:33 +0700, Sergey

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0300 (Use of Cryptographic Hash Functions in XMPP)

2012-02-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
from Waqas Hussain. Kev and Matthew, please check this as co-authors to make sure that you think we're on the right track. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] [XEP-0234] File checking in JingleFT

2012-02-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
also need to provide clearer documentation of ranged transfers (e.g., reusing the Jingle session ID). Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XMPP logo licensing

2012-02-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Closing the loop... http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/faq/ Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

[Standards] comments on XEP-0289

2012-02-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
it return any status at all? - I don't mind the JID\20Escaping stuff for room names, but I suppose others might consider it ugly Kev, I'd be happy to work with you on improving XEP-0289. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

[Standards] Obsoleting XEP-0237: Roster Versioning

2012-02-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
At the XMPP Summit just now, Florian Zeitz and Jonathan Schleifer pointed out that XEP-0237 has actually been obsoleted by RFC 6121, so I think we should make that official. Something to add to the Council agenda. /psa

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0300 (Use of Cryptographic Hash Functions in XMPP)

2012-02-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Waqas, I've incorporated all of your feedback into the spec, and will check it with my co-authors here at the XMPP Summit before pushing out a revision. On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 01:38:12AM +0500, Waqas Hussain wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0309 (Service Directories)

2012-01-31 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
in memory) This module does not serve vcard4 queries (that would be part of mod_vcard in Prosody trunk). Thanks, Waqas. I'll read that on the flight to Brussels tomorrow. I hope to install it at xmpp.net soon. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] Comments on XEP-45 1.25rc12

2012-01-31 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
#roomconfig_allowpm' type='list-single' label='Whether to Allow Occupants to Invite Others'/ » seem to have the labels switched around. Additionally I think muc#roomconfig_allowpm should be a list-multi. Fixed in my working copy. Thanks for the feedback! Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https

Re: [Standards] Comments on XEP-45 1.25rc12

2012-01-31 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/31/12 6:29 PM, Florian Zeitz wrote: Am 01.02.2012 02:20, schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: On 1/31/12 5:57 PM, Florian Zeitz wrote: Hi everyone, someone just pointed out to me that the current revision of XEP-45 prescribes JIDs to modify the moderator list. This seemed quite strange to me

[Standards] Call for Experience: Advancement of XEP-0047 (In-Band Bytestreams) to Final

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
- -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8nH7UACgkQNL8k5A2w/vzSQwCffoBBmDnr+jJ3aOqrS6LF89AN WpwAnA+1oPOYJ79N1NkK+1cd9dNu1HhL =ld4P -END PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: [Standards] Jingle specification bug - missing error condition

2012-01-26 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 1.25rc10 comments

2012-01-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/25/12 4:04 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: It may make sense to extend 210 to (2) and (3). That's the path I took based on your feedback (however, I notice that I didn't add anything about status code 210 to the section on user-requested nick changes, which is another time when

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 1.25rc10 comments

2012-01-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Snipping areas of agreement... On 1/24/12 2:14 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On 1/19/12 7:49 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: Some comments, a couple of which predate the patch but most of which are a consequence

[Standards] registration policies in XEP-0309

2012-01-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
the registration/ element. There might be more elegant ways to do it, but this one seems acceptable to me. Feedback is welcome. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 1.25rc10 comments

2012-01-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/24/12 11:14 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: After jabbering with Kev for a bit, here's a follow-up on the status code 210 issue (originally raised by Waqas Hussain). If the user's nickname is modified by the service as a result of registration and the user is in the room, the service SHOULD

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 1.25rc10 comments

2012-01-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/24/12 2:22 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: Snipping areas of agreement... On 1/24/12 2:14 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: not the nick (and thus implicitly the full JID) as with roles. - isn't right, it's the nick

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 1.25rc10 comments

2012-01-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/24/12 2:53 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On 1/24/12 11:14 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: After jabbering with Kev for a bit, here's a follow-up on the status code 210 issue (originally raised by Waqas Hussain). I

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 1.25rc10 comments

2012-01-23 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
double-checked all instances and it does seem that I did not make this change consistently throughout the document. Fixed in my working copy. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 1.25rc10 comments

2012-01-23 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
spam angle because it needs to be triggered by the room owner or admin. With my Council hat on, *** are the things that I'd like to see changed before publishing or at least for me to be shouted down on (i.e. at least discussed and consensus reached). See discussion above. Peter -- Peter Saint

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 1.25rc10 comments

2012-01-23 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
snip/ For ease of tracking, I've checked in my working copy as 1.25rc11... http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0045-1.25.html http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0045/diff/1.25rc10/vs/1.25rc11 /psa

[Standards] Fwd: [Summit] deadline for FOSDEM talks

2012-01-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI. Original Message Subject: [Summit] deadline for FOSDEM talks Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:31:27 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im Reply-To: XMPP Summit sum...@xmpp.org To: XMPP Summit sum...@xmpp.org If you'd like to give a talk in the XMPP devroom at FOSDEM

[Standards] Fwd: [Summit] Brussels discussion topics

2012-01-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI regarding the upcoming meetings in Brussels. Please join the sum...@xmpp.org list to discuss: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/summit Original Message Subject: [Summit] Brussels discussion topics Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 13:16:57 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre stpe

[Standards] service directories

2012-01-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
I've updated the Network Information Sharing (and renamed it) to include a scenario about publishing such data, too: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/network.html Continued feedback is welcome. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre http://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] service directories

2012-01-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/9/12 2:23 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I've updated the Network Information Sharing (and renamed it) to include a scenario about publishing such data, too: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/network.html I just pushed out version 0.0.3, adding an ad-hoc command for triggering the presence

Re: [Standards] typos in RFC6120 and XEP-220

2012-01-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Noted. Thanks for the bug reports! On 1/4/12 6:18 AM, Nobuo Ogashiwa wrote: Dear all, I found some typos in RFC6120 and XEP-220. In RFC6120, I think that the word 'FDQN' should be 'FQDN'. 3. If a response is received, it will contain one or more combinations of a port and FDQN,

Re: [Standards] XMPP logo licensing

2011-12-29 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/29/11 8:22 PM, Ludovic BOCQUET wrote: Le 09/12/2011 20:39, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : On 12/6/11 11:16 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Le 2011-12-06 12:22, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : On 12/6/11 10:18 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Le 2011-12-06 10:13, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : On 12/6/11

Re: [Standards] Any JID domain register.

2011-12-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
will run your owner server, you can call it whatever you'd like. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XEP-0077: disco feature

2011-12-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
For review... On 12/13/11 4:54 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 12/13/11 10:21 AM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 13 December 2011 17:01, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On 12/13/11 8:48 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 12/12/11 1:52 PM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 12:43 -0700

[Standards] for review: XEP-0045 1.25rc9

2011-12-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
this up early in the new year so that I can move on to cleaning up XEP-0060. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] Use of Message Forwarding in other XEPs

2011-12-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
judge a message type by the namespaces of its immediate children. Shades of XEP-0226, eh? http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0226.html Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] SASL + OAuth

2011-12-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/8/11 3:36 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Have any server or client developers here considered adding support for the emerging SASL mechanism for OAuth? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-kitten-sasl-oauth That would seem to open up some interesting authentication possibilities (e.g

Re: [Standards] RFC 6121, Sec 3.1, 3.2, and 4.3.2

2011-12-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
that this too could use with some clarification in 6121bis. Thanks for the feedback! Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XEP-0306: MUC status codes

2011-12-14 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Done. Updated XEP to be published shortly... On 9/26/11 11:38 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: After last week's XMPP Council meeting, a few folks had a discussion about MUC status codes (XEP-0306)... http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/council/110921/#16:22:29 Ralph Meijer's point

Re: [Standards] PubSub Collection Nodes (XEP-0248) question.

2011-12-14 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
haven't had time to work on XEP-0248 in quite a while. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XEP-0077: disco feature

2011-12-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/12/11 1:52 PM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 12:43 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: XEP-0077 (In-Band Registration) does not define a disco feature for advertising support for jabber:iq:register. I have a use case in which this would be very handy. I'm pretty sure

Re: [Standards] XEP-0077: disco feature

2011-12-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/13/11 8:48 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 12/12/11 1:52 PM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 12:43 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: XEP-0077 (In-Band Registration) does not define a disco feature for advertising support for jabber:iq:register. I have a use case in which

Re: [Standards] XEP-0077: disco feature

2011-12-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/13/11 10:21 AM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 13 December 2011 17:01, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: On 12/13/11 8:48 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 12/12/11 1:52 PM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 12:43 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: XEP-0077 (In-Band Registration

Re: [Standards] when to stop send presences in case of from subscription?

2011-12-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
for it to send presence to B until A logs in again. I think we might have a failure of communication here. Could you explain your question in a bit more detail? Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0267 (Server Buddies)

2011-12-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/10/11 2:18 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: I had some thougts about using PEP in combination with this for sharing things like peer server certs seen, and incident reports. My current plan is to use this as the basis for automating data gathering for http://xmpp.org/resources/public-services/

[Standards] XEP-0077: disco feature

2011-12-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
XEP-0077 (In-Band Registration) does not define a disco feature for advertising support for jabber:iq:register. I have a use case in which this would be very handy. Any concerns about adding this to XEP-0077? Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0267 (Server Buddies)

2011-12-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/12/11 2:10 PM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 20:36 +, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: Changelog: Updated ad-hoc command with field for the sending server; added XMPP Registrar Considerations. (psa) What about the 'to' attribute of the iq/ ? I suppose that might do it...

Re: [Standards] Schemas in XEPs

2011-12-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
what you mean by schema checking? Ciao Hannes On Dec 9, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: In addition, I know of at least one large deployment community that performs active schema-checking for XMPP traffic. Those folks would like it if our schemas were normative, I'd bet. :)

Re: [Standards] Schemas in XEPs

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/9/11 9:24 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Dec 8 23:13:38 2011, Matthew A. Miller wrote: I'd like to point out that all of our XML Schemas are non-normative. They're provided for informational use, and ought not be considered the absolute record of authority. What follows is my

Re: [Standards] Schemas in XEPs

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/9/11 9:46 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Fri Dec 9 16:44:23 2011, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 12/9/11 9:24 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Dec 8 23:13:38 2011, Matthew A. Miller wrote: I'd like to point out that all of our XML Schemas are non-normative. They're provided

[Standards] Fwd: [apps-discuss] WGLC on draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-02.txt

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI (this has an impact on XEP-0068). Original Message Subject: [apps-discuss] WGLC on draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-02.txt Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:19:10 + From: Alexey Melnikov alexey.melni...@isode.com To: apps-disc...@ietf.org apps-disc...@ietf.org Dear WG participant, I

Re: [Standards] Schemas in XEPs

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
were normative, I'd bet. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] Schemas in XEPs

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
again when thinking about XEP-0300 recently. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XMPP logo licensing

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/6/11 11:16 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Le 2011-12-06 12:22, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : On 12/6/11 10:18 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Le 2011-12-06 10:13, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : On 12/6/11 6:34 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 01:50 -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Hi

Re: [Standards] Proposed changes to XEP-0135

2011-12-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jefry has sent me a patch. I'll work to process it soon. On 11/28/11 3:07 PM, Jefry Lagrange wrote: Thanks for your response. ;-) I'm not sure it's a good idea to overload the disco request this way. Perhaps having the filter in a separate namespace would be ok, but I think perhaps it would

[Standards] administrivia

2011-12-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Needless to say, this person has been modded. On 12/8/11 5:51 AM, wang chun wrote: *From wang chun* engineer at Trident MultiMedia China I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - wang

[Standards] SASL + OAuth

2011-12-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
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Re: [Standards] Answering directed probe

2011-12-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
is still online), but now I'm not so sure. Something to revisit when working on 6121bis. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] Proposal for XEP-0302

2011-12-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
but no protocol based on it is not distinguishable from a client that does not support PEP at all. Agreed. XEP-0292 has some PEP features in there, but we probably can't require that until 2013 or 2014 (although I'd like to kill off vcard temp as soon as possible). Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre

Re: [Standards] XMPP logo licensing

2011-12-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
modified MIT license. The licensing used by the logo designer is irrelevant, since the XSF paid for the logo and can put it under whatever license it prefers. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XMPP logo licensing

2011-12-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/6/11 10:18 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Le 2011-12-06 10:13, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : On 12/6/11 6:34 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 01:50 -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote: Hi, is XMPP's logo licensed? Apparently a free license would help including it on Wikipedia ( http

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0300 (Use of Cryptographic Hash Functions in XMPP)

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
your own thinking about how useful (or not useful) XEP-0300 is. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] RFC 6121, Sec 3.1, 3.2, and 4.3.2

2011-11-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
I'm at the IETF meeting in Taipei this week so I don't have time to look into this, but I might have time on the plane home Saturday, or for sure early next week. On 11/16/11 2:22 AM, Dave Richards wrote: Am I missing something or is there a bit of a hole in these sections regarding denying a

[Standards] Fwd: Re: [Council] Agenda

2011-11-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI for those of you who don't follow the coun...@xmpp.org list (yes, anyone can subscribe), there's an XMPP Council meeting later today. Original Message Subject: Re: [Council] Agenda Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 06:35:54 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im Reply

Re: [Standards] I18N and disco#items

2011-11-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
be displayed to the user, which would seem to suggest internationalization is necessary here. XMPP is an XML technology, thus xml:lang is allowed on any element. Naturally, we could add an example of that to XEP-0030. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] Regarding capitalization of base64 type in Jabber-RPC (XEP-0009)

2011-11-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Council discussed this matter in its meeting today and approved the change, so I'll publish the revised spec and schema sometime soon. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

[Standards] 1.25rc8 of XEP-0045

2011-11-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Updated per list discussion... Rendered: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0045-1.25.html Last diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0045/diff/1.25rc7/vs/1.25rc8 Diff from 1.24: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0045/diff/1.24/vs/1.25rc8 /psa

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 1.25rc7

2011-11-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
. XEP-0045 doesn't cover service-global features. We've always said we might write a spec about that, though. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: Reserved Nicks and GC Compatibility

2011-11-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 10/5/11 2:11 PM, Mike Wacker wrote: On 10/4/2011 10:14 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 10/3/11 5:11 PM, Mike Wacker wrote: Hello, One of the tenets of XEP-0045 is backwards-compatibility with groupchat 1.0. Additional features do not necessarily introduce incompatibility. The old

Re: [Standards] XEP-0054 (vcard-temp) Issues

2011-10-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 10/27/11 2:54 PM, Bala Pitchandi wrote: The DTD in section 9 http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0054.html#dtd mandates that the element vCard must contain VERSION, FN, N but the examples in section 3.1 do not comply. Particularly the vCard retrieval request (Section 3.1, example 1) has an empty

Re: [Standards] jabber:iq:roster Issue

2011-10-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 10/27/11 2:59 PM, Bala Pitchandi wrote: Which is correct? RFC 6121 is correct.

Re: [Standards] Subscribers List

2011-10-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 10/27/11 3:06 PM, Bala Pitchandi wrote: So does that mean, a XMPP client implementation MUST add a presence subscriber to its roster, if it wants to keep track of its watchers? Yes. XMPP's presence and subscription model is different from SIP's. You will need to change your way of thinking

Re: [Standards] XEP-0054 (vcard-temp) Issues

2011-10-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 10/27/11 3:03 PM, Bala Pitchandi wrote: The implementation note (pasted below) does not say that VERSION element is optional: Some Jabber implementations add a 'version' attribute to the vCard/ element, with the value set at 2.0 or 3.0. The DTD is incorrect, and the examples in

Re: [Standards] XEP-0054 (vcard-temp) Issues

2011-10-27 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 10/27/11 3:19 PM, Bala Pitchandi wrote: I agree with you on xCard/XEP-0292. I would rather implement that than implementing XEP-0054 but like you said no one (*cough* Google *cough*) has implemented it yet. To be fair, vCard4 is new. But we need to figure out how to bootstrap

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