Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-23 Thread Antoni Reus
Hi, sorry for the late answer, but I'm in GMT+1 ;-) A Dimecres 23 Octubre 2002 04:01, Craig R. McClanahan va escriure: On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Antoni Reus wrote: [snip] As you could expect I would like to see this in 1.1 controlled by the xhtml attribute!! This result has two

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread David Graham
XML compliant HTML is XHTML. I don't think we need the xhtml attribute for the tag anymore. Because xhtml works in current and older browsers, I think the tags should produce it every time. Many people do not use the html:html tag so it doesn't make sense to require that to use xhtml. David

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread James Holmes
+1. --- David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: XML compliant HTML is XHTML. I don't think we need the xhtml attribute for the tag anymore. Because xhtml works in current and older browsers, I think the tags should produce it every time. Many people do not use the html:html tag so it

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Matt Read
In my experience XHTML does not work in older browsers, specifically Netscape 4.x and I would be very concerned if an upgrade to Struts 1.1 gave me no choice in using XHTML. Matt. Quoting David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: XML compliant HTML is XHTML. I don't think we need the xhtml attribute

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Hajratwala, Nayan (N.)
AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html XML compliant HTML is XHTML. I don't think we need the xhtml attribute for the tag anymore. Because xhtml works in current and older browsers, I think the tags should produce it every time. Many people do not use

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Matt Read
, October 22, 2002 10:33 AM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html In my experience XHTML does not work in older browsers, specifically Netscape 4.x and I would be very concerned if an upgrade to Struts 1.1 gave me no choice in using XHTML. Matt. Quoting

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Eddie Bush
Matt, have you tried br / as was suggested yesterday or the day before? Someone made note that br/ would not work, but br / would work. The reason is that the browser will try to interpret everything between and as a tag. The space makes it think that the slash is an unknown attribute

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Hajratwala, Nayan (N.)
To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html Matt, have you tried br / as was suggested yesterday or the day before? Someone made note that br/ would not work, but br / would work. The reason is that the browser will try to interpret everything between and as a tag

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, David Graham wrote: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:24:08 -0600 From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html XML compliant HTML is XHTML. I don't think we need

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Bartley, Chris P [PCS]
-Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980;hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html Struts does not output any br/ tags. Use br /... [snip] See the XHTML spec's Compatibility

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread David Graham
which both support this grammar. Many other people use Opera which also supports this. Dave From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html Date: Tue, 22 Oct

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Martin Cooper
-Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc;apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:03 AM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, David Graham wrote: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:24:08 -0600 From

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Bartley, Chris P [PCS]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html AFAIK, the only change is the closing / added to struts input tags. All browsers support this for reasons mentioned previously. I guess I just don't see how this is a serious change and how existing apps behavior

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Matt Read
: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html Matt, have you tried br / as was suggested yesterday or the day before? Someone made note that br/ would not work, but br / would work. The reason is that the browser will try to interpret everything between and as a tag. The space makes it think

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Matt Read
Developers List Subject: RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html You have apparently missed 1. other discussions 2. commits 3. bugzilla comments about XHTML Try this in Netscape 4.x and then in IE 4-6. htmlbodyLine 1br/Line2/body/html Try it this way: htmlbodyLine 1br /Line2/body/html

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, David Graham wrote: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:19:57 -0600 From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html AFAIK, the only change is the closing / added to struts

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Eddie Bush
Matt Read wrote: Sorry that I keep using the br tag as an example because I agree it's not a particularly good, although it does demonstrate my point. I see a problem not with the br tag in particular as obviously Struts taglibs don't generate them, but that to be absolutely certain that there

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Ted Husted
I agree with Craig (not that it matters, a veto is a veto =:0). We've always supported specifications rather than specific client technologies. Since this is not the markup specified by HTML 4.01, I don't see how we can make it the default. In practice, browsers may ignore the slash as an

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Hajratwala, Nayan (N.)
To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, David Graham wrote: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:19:57 -0600 From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread James Holmes
Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:craigmcc;apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:58 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, David Graham wrote: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:19:57 -0600 From: David Graham

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, David Graham wrote: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:54:14 -0600 From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html If we're not doing xhtml in 1.1 then we'll need

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Antoni Reus
Hi, A Dimarts 22 Octubre 2002 19:46, Martin Cooper va escriure: I'd rather *not* make this kind of a potentially backwards incompatible change immediately before a release (unless you make it conditional on the xhtml attribute of the html:html tag being true). The problem is

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Byrne, Steven
Whatever the decision, once it's made it should go into the roadmap document just so there's a record of it -Original Message- From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:17 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Antoni Reus wrote: [snip] As you could expect I would like to see this in 1.1 controlled by the xhtml attribute!! This result has two prerequisites: * The developers have to agree to it (I'm personally +0, which means I'm OK with it but *I* am not going to do the

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread David Graham
. Will JavaServer Faces handle xhtml? Should we even bother with doing this in Struts? Dave From: Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html Date: Tue, 22

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-22 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, David Graham wrote: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:37:42 -0600 From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html Well I've been wrong before and I'm obviously wrong now

RE: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-21 Thread Matt Read
For what it's worth, most version of Netscape 4 and previous don't understand the XML shortcut of using tag / to open and close a tag in one go. E.g. br/br works, br/ doesn't. Matt. -Original Message- From: Martin Cooper [mailto:martin.cooper;tumbleweed.com] Sent: Monday, October 21,

Re: HTML, XML, XHTML and html:html

2002-10-21 Thread Paul Speed
But it will understand br /. At least 4.7 does. Basically, it grabs everything between and and tries to grok it as parameters. It thinks the / is a parameter that it doesn't understand. If you put it as br/ then br/ is a bad tag name. -Paul Matt Read wrote: For what it's worth, most