Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-27 Thread R Wall ML emails
, Roderick Wall. From: Roger Bailey Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 1:56 PM To: Donald Christensen ; darkro...@aol.com Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world,'banning' analemmatic sundials ? I was a free range kid, as were my kids. We created our own activi

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-27 Thread Roger Bailey
...@aol.com Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world,'banning' analemmatic sundials ? I was sickened how society prevents children from growing up or learning how to cope with life. That is until I read about Lenore Skenazy http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/ an

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-27 Thread Donald Christensen
any cases in the US where sundials are banned from schools > but I have not looked either. It never crossed my mind that it would be a > problem. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Donald Christensen > To: sundial > Sent: Sun, May 27, 2012 8:29 pm > Subj

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-27 Thread darkroom3
- From: Donald Christensen To: sundial Sent: Sun, May 27, 2012 8:29 pm Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ? I found an excellent book on the matter It shows how we are making the world more dangerous for children. Society protects them so

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-27 Thread Donald Christensen
I found an excellent book on the matter It shows how we are making the world more dangerous for children. Society protects them so much that we prevent them from learning how to cope in the stressful world. Children grow old. We can't prevent that. However we can prevent them from growing up. “Be

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-16 Thread Roger Bailey
Children, protected from all hazards in the nanny cocoon will ultimately rebel, seeking freedom, take risks and causing trouble. We are all familiar with acts of vandalism against sundials in public places. This link shows this is a worldwide phenomenon. The pictures show a couple of examples in

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-16 Thread Donald Christensen
I would like to know the real, truthful reason these sundials are being > banned, and it better be a good one. > > Pat > > > > > -Original Message- > From: David Bell > To: darkroom3 > Cc: Reinhold.Kriegler ; sundial < > sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-16 Thread John Pickard
Good morning Martina, I've been following the various replies, and I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments expressed about stupid attempts to reduce risk to zero. We all have our favourite stories, but I think that these examples will top the list. I understand that one of the largest mining

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-16 Thread darkroom3
reason these sundials are being banned, and it better be a good one. Pat -Original Message- From: David Bell To: darkroom3 Cc: Reinhold.Kriegler ; sundial Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundi

RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-16 Thread Yan Seiner
Martina: Do you have any documentation (letters, newspaper articles, policies, etc) that show these decisions? I can't find a reference on the web. Thanks! -- Q: How can you tell Spring is here in Oregon? A: The rain is warmer. My daughter is racing a triathlon to raise money for her swim team

RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-16 Thread Jackie Jones
Hi Martina, How about contacting the Health and Safety Executive (think that is what they are called). I have heard that they get a bit annoyed with being used as reasons for not doing things. They sponsored the conker championship after people were saying it was too dangerous for children. Ask

RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-16 Thread Peter Tandy
Behalf Of Martina Addiscott Sent: 15 May 2012 18:24 To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world,'banning' analemmatic sundials ? In message "Reinhold Kriegler" wrote: > > Dear Martina, > > I still remember your

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Roger Bailey
id it. It was easier to seek approval, authorization or forgiveness later. Regards Roger Bailey "Life's but a Walking Shadow" -- From: "Martina Addiscott" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:23 AM To: Subject: R

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Mac Oglesby
quot; ~ Friedrich Schiller Ciao. Gian Messaggio originale Da: <mailto:martina.addisc...@gmail.com>martina.addisc...@gmail.com Data: 15/05/2012 19.23 A: <<mailto:sundial@uni-koeln.de>sundial@uni-koeln.de> Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' a

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Kevin Karney
s themselves contend in vain." ~ Friedrich Schiller > > Ciao. > Gian > >> Messaggio originale >> Da: martina.addisc...@gmail.com >> Data: 15/05/2012 19.23 >> A: >> Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic

R: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread sun.di...@libero.it
"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." ~ Friedrich Schiller Ciao. Gian >Messaggio originale >Da: martina.addisc...@gmail.com >Data: 15/05/2012 19.23 >A: >Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' an

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Martina Addiscott
In message "Reinhold Kriegler" wrote: > > Dear Martina, > > I still remember your previous message! > > > The world is crazy! > > > In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went > to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking > w

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread darkroom3
anti-social behavior of their students instead being out in the sun too long or fighting over the sundial. Pat -Original Message- From: Frank King To: Reinhold Kriegler Cc: Sundial Mailingliste Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 1:05 pm Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Frank King
Dear Reinhold, You write... Create a wall of shame with lots of funny comments... Your story is full of drama. There is good news... ...Herr Kriegler sei der beste Lehrer an der Schule... Then the bad news... ...da hatte dieser Satz die Wirkung eines Stichs in ein Wespennest. So

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread David Bell
It has little or nothing to do with controlling the students, or even concern over their welfare. It all comes down to liability. Should some child be injured in a schoolyard scuffle, or 20 years later develop a skin cancer, some shyster lawyer WILL find a way to hold the school responsible!

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread darkroom3
Those  are utter rediculous reasons for not having an analemmatic sundial at school.  Do these schools have no control or supervision over their students?  It is great to get students outside to learn.  Many people learn better by hands-on-learning.  I had planned to make an analemmatic sundia

RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Ross Sinclair Caldwell
worried the dial would provoke fights over using it, or just because it was there. These sorts of things. Ross Caldwell43° 20' N3° 13' E > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 16:46:18 +0200 > To: sundial@uni-koeln.de > From: tcha...@dds.nl > Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world,

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

2012-05-15 Thread Thibaud Taudin-Chabot
Did any of the schools ever mention what the danger is of an analemmatic sundial? Thibaud At 16:19 15-5-2012, Martina Addiscott wrote: Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an interactive 'analemmatic' s