Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-22 Thread Stefan Schreiber
ng and innovation. But indeed, sound always provided informations that visual cues cannot present. That's also a interesting point to be research. -- Original -- From: "Peter Lennox";; Date: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 04:42 PM To: "Surround Sound discu

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-20 Thread Phi Shu
> > "Artists electing to do a PhD is a relatively recent phenomenon, there was > a time when an MFA was as far as most went, and before that a degree > sufficed." > > Which kind of makes my point . arguably, rather than being driven by the academicisation of creative practice, this reflects chang

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-20 Thread Augustine Leudar
"Artists electing to do a PhD is a relatively recent phenomenon, there was a time when an MFA was as far as most went, and before that a degree sufficed." Which kind of makes my point . Although PhD is the arts may be relatively new - research and innovation, new discoveries in the arts are not .

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-19 Thread Phi Shu
> > aren't we already up to our necks in Baudillarian hyerpreality, Donal > Trump is president the USA ffs. that's Baud*r*illarian, certainly not Baudelairian, and Donal Trump isn't the US president, it's some other guy with bad hair So - the only reasons I can think of to study at PhD level

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Martin Leese
John Merchant wrote: > If anyone is interested, here's a copy of the paper Gus mentioned. ... > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Wallach article.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 1472237 bytes > Desc: Wallach article.pdf > URL: >

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread umashankar manthravadi
kId=550986> for Windows 10 From: John Merchant<mailto:john.merch...@mtsu.edu> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 8:29 PM To: Surround Sound discussion group<mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) Hmm, looks like the server removes any atta

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread John Merchant
group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) If anyone is interested, here's a copy of the paper Gus mentioned. From: Sursound on behalf of Augustine Leudar Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:05 AM To: Surround Sound discussion

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread John Merchant
If anyone is interested, here's a copy of the paper Gus mentioned. From: Sursound on behalf of Augustine Leudar Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:05 AM To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Phi Shu
> > "No-one would deny that many of the greatest artists of our time made huge > progress and developments in the arts - but often would write nothing at > all about their work." how many of the "greatest artists of our time" bothered doing a PhD? Artists electing to do a PhD is a relatively rece

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread David Pickett
At 20:06 17-08-17, Phi Shu wrote: >Just curious, why do you want to do a PhD at all? are you planning on being >an academic? It is a relatively recent requirement of academics that they hold a PhD before being allowed into the profession. In my own case, I elected to do a PhD in order to be ab

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Peter Lennox
1GB, UK -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Augustine Leudar Sent: 18 August 2017 14:08 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) its just so much better than the chocolate based music I

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Peter Lennox
sound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Augustine Leudar Sent: 18 August 2017 13:54 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) I actually quite enjoyed the writing ironically and I have high regard for the goals and principles of scholarship.

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Augustine Leudar
Senior Lecturer in Perception > > College of Arts, Humanities and Education School of Arts > > > > e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk > > t: 01332 593155 > > > > https://derby.academia.edu/peterlennox > > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Lennox > > > &

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Peter Lennox
sion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) very well said Peter. Right enough of this - I'm off to make some sound based music :) On 18 August 2017 at 13:47, Peter Lennox wrote: > Yes - academia generally is in a strange place. - I used to love it - > I re

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Augustine Leudar
erception > College of Arts, Humanities and Education > School of Arts > > e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk > t: 01332 593155 > > https://derby.academia.edu/peterlennox > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Lennox > > University of Derby, > Kedleston Road, > Derby, >

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Augustine Leudar
we just may have strayed from the surround path... > > > > Dr. Peter Lennox SFHEA > > Senior Lecturer in Perception > > College of Arts, Humanities and Education > > School of Arts > > > > e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk > > t: 01332 593155 > > > > htt

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Peter Lennox
rsound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Phi Shu Sent: 18 August 2017 13:02 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) true that International Art English <https://www.canopycanopycanopy.com/contents/international_art_english> (IAE) is problemat

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Phi Shu
hgate.net/profile/Peter_Lennox > > University of Derby, > Kedleston Road, > Derby, > DE22 1GB, UK > > > -----Original Message- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > Augustine Leudar > Sent: 17 August 2017 21:53 > To: Surround So

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Augustine Leudar
riginal Message- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu ] On > Behalf Of Augustine Leudar > Sent: 18 August 2017 11:03 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) > > funny Peter - I am just working on

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Peter Lennox
- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Augustine Leudar Sent: 18 August 2017 11:03 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) funny Peter - I am just working on interactive spatialisation tool that incorporates hapti

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Peter Lennox
rom: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Augustine Leudar Sent: 17 August 2017 21:53 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) I think you misunderstand what I am saying but it's ok. Anyway you might want to look

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Augustine Leudar
[mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of ?? > Sent: 18 August 2017 06:17 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) > > Well, on compositional area, including audiovisual music composition, it > still quite hard

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-18 Thread Peter Lennox
e/Peter_Lennox University of Derby, Kedleston Road, Derby, DE22 1GB, UK -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of ?? Sent: 18 August 2017 06:17 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) Well, on

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread ????
es has been referred. -- Original -- From: "Peter Lennox";; Date: Fri, Aug 18, 2017 03:20 AM To: "Surround Sound discussion group"; Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) ...and "extended mind", and "augmente

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread Augustine Leudar
th special, that > would be interesting and innovation. But indeed, sound always provided > informations that visual cues cannot present. That's also a interesting > point to be research. > > > > > > > ---------- Original -- > From: &q

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread Augustine Leudar
69.8427 > > President, International Community for Auditory Display icad.org > > personal research/creative practice website: avatar.com.au > > > > > > From: Sursound on behalf of Peter Lennox < > p.len...@derby.ac.uk> > Reply-To: Surround Sound discussion

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread Peter Lennox
nt: 17 August 2017 20:17:37 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) Dont forget "interactive" and "gesture based" Phi On 17 August 2017 at 19:06, Phi Shu wrote: > Just curious, why do you want to do a PhD at all? are you

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread Augustine Leudar
> > so to speak, is, do not assume that visual cues always override audio > > ones. > > > It is quite common for visual arts people to assume that the visual > > > overrules everything else but, although not as common, audio > perceptions > > > can overr

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread Phi Shu
also a interesting > point to be research. > > > > > > > -- Original -- > From: "Peter Lennox";; > Date: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 04:42 PM > To: "Surround Sound discussion group"; > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Soun

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread David Worrall
group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) The motion bounce illusion, where application of an audible transient alters the visual conclusion, from two circles passing through each other, to a perception of them 'bouncing' off each other, is a good exampl

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread ????
m: "Peter Lennox";; Date: Wed, Aug 16, 2017 10:29 PM To: "Surround Sound discussion group"; Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) Wot he said... Dr. Peter Lennox SFHEA Senior Lecturer in Perception College of Arts, Humanities and Education School of A

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread Marc Lavallée
gt; > > > > > > > > > > https://derby.academia.edu/peterlennox > > > > > > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Lennox > > > > > > > > > > > > University of Derby, > > > Kedleston Road, > > > Derby, &

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread ????
-- From: "Peter Lennox";; Date: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 04:42 PM To: "Surround Sound discussion group"; Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) The motion bounce illusion, where application of an audible transient alters the visual conclu

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread Marc Lavallée
2 593155 > > > > > > > > https://derby.academia.edu/peterlennox > > > > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Lennox > > > > > > > > University of Derby, > > Kedleston Road, > > Derby, > > DE22 1GB, UK > > > >

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread Augustine Leudar
; https://derby.academia.edu/peterlennox > > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Lennox > > > > University of Derby, > Kedleston Road, > Derby, > DE22 1GB, UK > > ________ > From: Sursound on behalf of Augustine > Leudar > Sent: 16 Au

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-17 Thread Peter Lennox
nd on behalf of Augustine Leudar Sent: 16 August 2017 22:14:46 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) This is true too Dave - I know of one audio cue in particular (to do with a football bouncing off a wall) that can alter the way you see th

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-16 Thread Augustine Leudar
Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > > Augustine Leudar > > Sent: 16 August 2017 15:25 > > To: Surround Sound discussion group > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) > > > > As you probably know visual and other

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 08:06:59PM +0100, Dave Malham wrote: > I, too, agree with Augustine. A point though that I would make, on the side > so to speak, is, do not assume that visual cues always override audio ones. Maybe not always, but visual cues seem to be quite dominant compared to audio.

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-16 Thread Dave Malham
nd-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > Augustine Leudar > Sent: 16 August 2017 15:25 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) > > As you probably know visual and other cognitive cues often override audio > cues (see wallac

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-16 Thread Peter Lennox
, Derby, DE22 1GB, UK -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Augustine Leudar Sent: 16 August 2017 15:25 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround) As you probably know visual and other

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-16 Thread Augustine Leudar
ttps://derby.academia.edu/peterlennox > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Lennox > > University of Derby, > Kedleston Road, > Derby, > DE22 1GB, UK > > > -Original Message- > From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of ?? > Sent: 16

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-16 Thread Peter Lennox
ennox https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Lennox University of Derby, Kedleston Road, Derby, DE22 1GB, UK -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of ?? Sent: 16 August 2017 12:33 To: sursound Subject: [Sursound] Sound Based Composit

[Sursound] Sound Based Composition(surround)

2017-08-16 Thread ????
Thanks for reply. It is really helpful. The term I used , according to Landy's writing : typically designated the art form in which the sound is the basic unit. I'm thinking about it and developed main question and sub questions,here is a brief description : 1 The study purpose and sub-questi

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition (surround)

2017-08-16 Thread Peter Lennox
ugust 2017 11:00 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition (surround) I do all the time. I think there's quite a few papers on the subject as well. On 16 August 2017 at 10:46, 霖の <951343...@qq.com> wrote: > Dear all: > Have u ever thought ab

Re: [Sursound] Sound Based Composition (surround)

2017-08-16 Thread Augustine Leudar
I do all the time. I think there's quite a few papers on the subject as well. On 16 August 2017 at 10:46, 霖の <951343...@qq.com> wrote: > Dear all: > Have u ever thought about using psychoacoustics and cognition psychology > principles to compose electronic music especially on sound based music ?

[Sursound] Sound Based Composition (surround)

2017-08-16 Thread ????
Dear all: Have u ever thought about using psychoacoustics and cognition psychology principles to compose electronic music especially on sound based music ? For instance, when making surround sound, we need to consider how people listen the sound in space. I'm thinking this might be a potential p